1D's MKII or 5D

To get the $600 rebate don't you have to buy 2 5D???

I've sat here and kept watch on this thread. I never meant for people to get upset and argue with each other. Nor did I expect to get dogged for asking the question....

I love photography and i'm sorry I'm not the best or close to it, but neither was anyone here, at one point we ALL SUCKED.

My question was and still is..I originaly wanted the MKII N. Yes it's only 8MP but to me thats irrelivant I've seen people blow up pics far and beyond the 16x20 with the MKII N. Then I considered hey this is not a hobby for me I realy want to learn and possibly have a carrer from it. So I said well hey I have plenty of cash so why not get the 1DsMKII. But then some people that I talk to and respect along with the pro "JIM" that hang out with made a good point. Why waste my money on the 1DsMKII now when Canon will be releasing a new one in about 6 months or less. So I figured if I bought the 1DsMKII now then I woould be kicking myself for it when the new one came out. Yes I know if you wait now you will always be waiting for the latest and greatest, but not when it's this close to the new one being released.

So I was going to get the MKII N and then get the new Canon in Feb..But i said well 5D is no slouch it's almost 13MP solid body so why not save a few bucks and use 5D untill new canon comes out in FEBurary.

I love portraiture Wildlife Nature and some sports I have 2 boys who love sports....So being what it is I'm still a little un-decided. not sure if I should get the MKII N or 5D??? thats where I need the help, I'm not going to be printing outragously large prints, maybe a little bigger than 16x20 but only once in a great while. So if there is anybody that can help with that I would tremendously appreciate it....

So 5D or MKII N???

Lenses I have now or will have in the next month are as follows.

70-200f2.8L IS
135f2L
85f1.2L
24-70f2.8L
35f1.4L

For all those who have helped I truely appreciate it, along with your extremle patience...thnks guys realy...

mojoxp said:

oh in case
you ask it will be for all around photog, Nature, Portraiture,
Event, Wedding, Church and school pics, maybe occasional sports (my
2 sons) Nicholas and Dylan my Pride and Joy...
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Honestly for your aplication id pick something along the lines of a 30D.

1> to get the most out of a camera like the 5D or 1Ds mk2 you need to use studio strobes or mlu and or tripod. you need the best glass at optimum appertures
2> you wont see much difference at all in letter sized prints even if you do #1

Yes 1 series ownership do give you a warm fuzzy feeling inside and you know you will have the best dslr available so even though you dont need it, and your images probably wont be in line with what the camera can do its nice to have.

Thanks for your reply..I had a 30D...not happy withit at all I sold it...I need more thats why I bought fast L glass and a very nice $2,500 light set up..like I said photography is very serrious for me and i'm not going to get the quality I'm looking for froma 30D. If that was the case nobody would use a 1 serries....I don't want it for measurebating I want it for quality and longevity...
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Hey Joe, I have all of history....recent and in the past to back my claim up. It's called greed and you're running around with blinders. But hey, you want to be in denial, that's fine by me.

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You have some good glass. I own both but if I had to choose one I'd go with the MKIIN. You'll appreciate the fast AF and fps when shooting your kid's sports (if they stick with it, the games tend to get faster). True that the FF of the 5D has an advantage for landscape but I just came back from a trip to New England and took some beautiful landscapes with the MKIIN. Plus some birds in the wild, which this camera is made for. And you never have to worry about the weather with the MKIIN. And there's no question that the build and feel of the D series spoils you. My opinion.

What grotesque hyperbole.

In the context of time your little moment here on DPR, oh mighty Seaclam, citing "all of history" as your muse matches the significance of a recently stomped cockroach, rapidly circling the bowl while clinging to a last vestiges of life, and all the while wondering how suction and gravity manage to rule to day - ending what was a brief and utterly insignificant existence.

Congratulations on your accomplishment. The cockroach would be proud.

Joe

Seaclam said:

Hey Joe, I have all of history....recent and in the past to back my
claim up. It's called greed and you're running around with
blinders. But hey, you want to be in denial, that's fine by me.

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mojoxp said:

Thanks for your reply..I had a 30D...not happy withit at all I sold
it...I need more thats why I bought fast L glass and a very nice
$2,500 light set up..like I said photography is very serrious for
me and i'm not going to get the quality I'm looking for froma 30D.
If that was the case nobody would use a 1 serries....I don't want
it for measurebating I want it for quality and longevity...
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I know but having the gear is only one part of the equation.

As an example, i am an advertising photographer. I have worked with a S2 pro, 10D and then the 1D mk2 and 5D. I made many good images with even the "lowly" 10d that made it to large billboards, building wraps and double page spreads with great results. Technique had a LOT to do with it from capture to precessing and of course the light control and what was infront of the camera. I really stressed those cameras to the limit, even so they delivered.

I could still use the 10d today and wont mind too much. I do use the 5D for the extra cropping headroom for the art directors and naturally that big LCD is nice to have and full frame for less dof and not having to rely as much on wide lenses.

For sports and every day stuff the 5D isnt the best choice since focus is much more critical and dof is generally reduced. For kids the 5D is awful since the move around so much and for sports isnt the best either, I grab my 1d mk2 for that and I dont feel im giving much at all in image quality.

I just went through the exact same through process and questions. Wound up buying the 1DS MkII. I agree with most of the comments in the thread so far. If you need sealing, heavy duty shutter / long life, blah blah blah, 1DS MkII. My sense is that the 5d ISO noise quality is better (to the tune of about 1 stop, basically ISO3200 on 5d looks like ISO 1600 on the 1DS). However, my sense is also that the 1DS MkII produces images that, while slightly noisier (though less noisy than 20/30d etc) retain much more detail. But, emotionally, and from a pure performance standpoint, the 1DS2 just kicks butt. It brings tears to most camera lovers eyes, especially mine!

The issue for me was resolution. I tend to do a lot of shooting in situations where I'm near the long end of whatever lens I'm using. If you want to figure out how many pixels you'll need to crop out of a full frame image to get the same FOV as a 1.6x aps-c image, you have to divide by the SQUARE of the crop factor (crop factor is linear, megapixels is an area measure). So, if I bought a 5d, but I didn't buy longer lenses (or get closer to my subject, which is often not practical for me), I'd often crop the hell out of the 5d images, and be left with an image that was VERY OFTEN smaller in terms of resolution than the 20d. See more thoughts here: http://www.essersinchina.com/archives/95

So, I decided I'd either wait for the "next" 5d (which will probably, in my opinion, be even higher res), or get the 1DS MkII. Even the mighty 1DS MkII when cropped to the same FOV as the 20d produces only a 6.5MP image, but that's better than a 5MP image from the 5d.

I decided that the 1DS2 is a camera I'll be happy with for several years, is not something I'll outgrow (very soon), and at least until the 1DS3 comes out, there really isn't a DSLR out there that exceeds its feature set (helping to eliminate camera envy, if only for a few months). I've been buying a new DSLR about once per year for the last several years, usually at nearly $2k (when they first come out), so I figure if I can hang on to the 1DS2 for a few years, it's almost a wash. I paid $7k brand spankin new.

If money was an issue, I CERTAINLY would have waited, or more strongly considered the 5d.

Take Care,
Eric

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mojoxp said:

Thanks for your reply..I had a 30D...not happy withit at all I sold
it...I need more thats why I bought fast L glass and a very nice
$2,500 light set up..like I said photography is very serrious for
me and i'm not going to get the quality I'm looking for froma 30D.
If that was the case nobody would use a 1 serries....I don't want
it for measurebating I want it for quality and longevity...

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If you don't want to spend $7500 on a new 1Ds Mk II and are looking at the 5D then go for a used 1Ds Mk I. The price of a used 1Ds is around the same as the price of a new 5D. The 5D will have a more familiar UI and take the same battery as the 10D/20D/30D/etc. The 1Ds will have 45 AF points and a built-in portrait grip.

You don't need 16MP to make a huge print, and AF matters more than the difference between 11MP and 12MP. I'm waiting for Canon to release a camera with the AF system of the 1D series and the UI/Battery of the EOS 10D/20D/30D/5D with the latest generation of their DIGIC processing and both CF and SD slots. Until then, my 10D fits the bill. I might decide that even if Canon does make such a camera, that it is too expensive and may eventually buy a used 5D. The problem is that I really like/appreciate the convenience of only having 6MP files to deal with. They may not be huge, but they get more than enough detail and the price of storage/CF cards isn't burning a hole in my pocket.

-Mike
http://demosaic.blogspot.com

so many people try to tell themselves the 5D is so good that spending the extra on a 1Ds2 doesn't make sense. Well borrow a 1Ds2, put it side by side with your 5D in the summer sun for 2 hours then you know why 1Ds2 is the pro's choice. Simple as that.

I hear you theremy only problem is that if I get a 1DsMKII then I will loose out on the speed for sports.....Although the only sports I shoot are for kids I have 2 boys and a girl who all like socer...but the 1DsMKII is what 4fps...thats not to terribly slow so....My only other obstacle is that if I buy 1DsMKII now Canon will be releasing one here in bout 6months or less...right??
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mojoxp said:

I hear you theremy only problem is that if I get a 1DsMKII then I
will loose out on the speed for sports.....

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iif fps is a big concern then maybe you should consider 1d2 or 30D, both are faster than 5d and 1Ds2. OTOH the 4fps of 1ds2 isn't bad at all.

mojoxp said:

My only other obstacle is that if I buy 1DsMKII now Canon
will be releasing one here in bout 6months or less...right??

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Oh well... first of all announcement in 6 months mean you will be able to get one in... 10 months maybe? If you don't have much photo ops to lose then wait is fine. And trust me, by summer next year there will be rumours of newer better faster greater cheaper new cams already, keep waiting?
Max

ööööö... oh dear...

had me self first 300d and when the time came, bought me self 1dmk2. Wanted to have me self a steady camera wich has some weight on it becase its easier for me to use it in fast situations. Wanted also to have long lasting batteries without any batterigrips because dont want to be thinking about batteries etc. Wanted to have double memorycard slots for changing fast to "reserve" slot when CF has run out (thats right, I use SD at the moment for reserve when waiting the needed moment for to be able to change the CF...) Wanted to have 45af points (gives more room/ playgroud when working...), wanted to have good quality body that lasts rough use (quess once why!!??!!??) Wanted to have fast camera (sport sport and other things as well..)

And so on... So... my decision was one of 1 series... Dont see my self as a victim of equipment race nor do I see my self a victim of peoples weird ideas or oppinios... Base the purchase on what you need and shoot

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--Your exactly right I'm thinking more and more about 1DsMKII...No matter how long I wait there will always be something beeter comming out...
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mojoxp said:

--Your exactly right I'm thinking more and more about 1DsMKII...No
matter how long I wait there will always be something beeter
comming out...
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Just so you know, the New 1Ds "mk3" is ready. Has been for a few months and has been tested in the field (rebadged as a 1Dmk2n, its identical so no one can tell). It has 22mp. Canon decided not to release it at photokina due to lack of competition in that segment of the market and milk as much out of the current 1Ds mk2. Cant blame them really.

Having used both the 5D and 1Ds mk2 profesionally neither is great for sports and the differences between them in image quality are very slight.

Sneakyracer:

So if the 1DsMK3 is "rebadged" as a 1DMKIIN, will it be 22mp with the same AF and fps as the 1DMKIIN?

I was seriously considering getting a 1Ds but I can wait a year (I have a 1DMKIIN) if this is true. How reliable is this information?

Thanks

If you really plan on buying something in February why buy anything now? Photographic skill is 90% of the picture, practice that instead of buying gear.

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imkush said:

Sneakyracer:

So if the 1DsMK3 is "rebadged" as a 1DMKIIN, will it be 22mp with
the same AF and fps as the 1DMKIIN?
I was seriously considering getting a 1Ds but I can wait a year (I
have a 1DMKIIN) if this is true. How reliable is this information?

Thanks

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I have no clue, my friend cant tell me any more or he will lose priviliges.

I would speculate that there AF will be similar, fps doubt it. Might have the 400D's sensor dust "shaker" mehcanism.

I wouldnt buy a 1Ds mk2 today no way.

Get a 5D, itl more than get you buy if you use it correctly trust me.