Poll: Would you miss the K10D pop-up flash

dotnik · Oct 8, 2006

I don't know how much it costs to manufacture but if it was not there then I would think that it should be possible for Pentax to improve other areas in order to aim the K10D directly at pro users in terms of performance at almost the same price.

Don't get me wrong. I think Pentax did right aiming the K10D at advanced users because no one expected the K10D to be offered at such a competitive price and that leaves Pentax plenty of room to launch a pro spec'ed K1D and still be competitive. (without internal flash of course)
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Gareth_R · Oct 8, 2006

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Cideway · Oct 8, 2006

I never use the popup flash, but having had a flash die on me mid shoot, and not having a backup, it was nice to know that if worst came to worst i could use the internal flash, i can also use it to trigger slave flashes, etc.

Why not have one.
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wlachan · Oct 8, 2006

Depends on what kind of improvement, and how much? For the same price, I don't mind to trade the built-in flash for magnesium alloy body. But at the same time, I do use built-in flash for daylight fill-flash so I don't have to carry a shoe flash. Some people still think pro body must not have a built-in flash, but I couldn't care less.
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AndyDs · Oct 8, 2006

I don't think i would, if only they had fitted a wireless trigger. So the answer has to be yes.
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dimasato · Oct 8, 2006

i dont know why not having a built-in flash is considered a 'pro' feature... it comes in handy sometimes and i'll miss it if they do take it out

wlachan · Oct 8, 2006

dimasato said:
i dont know why not having a built-in flash is considered a 'pro'
feature... it comes in handy sometimes and i'll miss it if they do
take it out

It goes way back when Minolta released their last pro model, the '9', which was the 1st pro body with built-in flash, according to some. Back then, none of the Canon or Nikon pro film SLR had built-in flash, and that's how people assumed pro body mustn't have it. But I guess the DSLRs have changed everything. Basically any Canon or Nikon DSLRs have been used for money making these days people are okay with built-in flash.
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Trevor G · Oct 8, 2006

Then I would miss it if it was not included.

dotnik said:
I don't know how much it costs to manufacture but if it was not
there then I would think that it should be possible for Pentax to
improve other areas in order to aim the K10D directly at pro users
in terms of performance at almost the same price.

It's a shame they don't make a usable flash onboard.

I have had no success with it where it would be most useful, in daylight fill, and little success in low light.

Just a little more work could produce a useful 2 stage flash like the olympus E300 and Panasonic L1, which has an intermediate bounce position and enough grunt to actually illuminate the subject

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Caat · Oct 8, 2006

I use the internal flash rarely but when I need it, I really need it!

If I owned an external flash I am not sure what my answer would be because I imagine in many circumstances a huge external flash is a bit conspicuous

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John Bean (UK) · Oct 8, 2006

[apparently "no" is not a sensible subject according to the forum software!]

I can't recall ever using a pop-up flash on any camera I've ever owned, SLR or otherwise. When I recently bought an Olympus E-1[see note] I didn't even notice it had no flash until I was asked about it when showing it to a friend.

Note: The E-1 was cheap, I wanted a sealed camera, the K10D hadn't been announced. No regrets though, it's a nice camera.

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GVRB · Oct 8, 2006

Yes, I think I would. I don't have an external flash at this point in time so an onboard flash is better than no flash at all.
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Andaar · Oct 8, 2006

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JimmyTheHand · Oct 8, 2006

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Ishpuini · Oct 8, 2006

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richardplondon · Oct 8, 2006

I agree completely - I would use onboard flash far more if I could bounce it, but seldom use "direct" onboard - horrible flattening effect IMO. And I hate fill flash. In the dpreview LC1 review, there are two telling pics, with direct and bounce flash. So much more modelling and atmosphere in the latter.

As a very very occasional and reluctant flash user, it is not worth the trouble of carrying a separate flash unit, keeping track of rechargeable batteries etc.

RP

RoscoT · Oct 8, 2006

Most of the time no. But there are times I find myself in a situation needing fill in flash. The pop up is incredibly handy for that.
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James O'Neill · Oct 8, 2006

I've used the built in flash for less than one in every thousand shots.

For my first 17 years with SLRs I didn't have built in flash.

I could live without it.

With all this clamour for pentax to make a "pro" body ... cameras like Canons 1D series and Nikons D2 series don't have builtin flash.

volosong · Oct 8, 2006

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phx · Oct 8, 2006

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