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Anybody have access to two HVL-F1000s?

If so, would you please try an experiment for me?

I would like to know if you can plug one into the F707 for bounce flash to simulate natural sunlight, and plug the second into the first for additional effects. I was thinking of using the second for diffused fill, side lighting, etc. All of you can probably think of hundreds of ideas to play with if it works.

Although the F1000 may be a fairly 'simple' flash unit, my biggest complaint is not being able to swivel the head as well as tilt it for different bounce effects. Especially when you need to turn the F707 on its side.

Okay, as I sit here typing, I just realized an answer to bouncing the flash with the F707 on its side. Just mount the flash and the camera on the included bracket and adjust the bracket angle on the camera for bounce flash. I'm glad I didn't have to feel like an idiot when somebody came up with that little work-around.

Just took a break and tried it. It works, even if it is a little awkward.

In addition, before Shay patents the idea, I tried something else to simulate a bounced and swiveled flash with the camera in its 'normal' position. Mount the flash on the camera's shoe and tilt the head up for bounce flash. Then tape a glossy white card extending past one side of the flash. This gives the effect of simulated sunlight coming from an angle to the subject. The more the card is extended, the more pronounced the effect. (Sorry Shay if I infringed upon your territory. You do deserve credit for my even thinking of trying it.)

I am still very interested in somebody trying to connect two F1000s in series.

Thanks,
Bill
 
You can try this: On the arm put the F1000 for bounce; In the coldshoe put a small slave flash ($18 at Ritz) pointing ahead.

I use a similar arrangement with my D-707.

Yehuda
WGOgleJr said:
Anybody have access to two HVL-F1000s?

If so, would you please try an experiment for me?

I would like to know if you can plug one into the F707 for bounce
flash to simulate natural sunlight, and plug the second into the
first for additional effects. I was thinking of using the second
for diffused fill, side lighting, etc. All of you can probably
think of hundreds of ideas to play with if it works.

Although the F1000 may be a fairly 'simple' flash unit, my biggest
complaint is not being able to swivel the head as well as tilt it
for different bounce effects. Especially when you need to turn the
F707 on its side.

Okay, as I sit here typing, I just realized an answer to bouncing
the flash with the F707 on its side. Just mount the flash and the
camera on the included bracket and adjust the bracket angle on the
camera for bounce flash. I'm glad I didn't have to feel like an
idiot when somebody came up with that little work-around.

Just took a break and tried it. It works, even if it is a little
awkward.

In addition, before Shay patents the idea, I tried something else
to simulate a bounced and swiveled flash with the camera in its
'normal' position. Mount the flash on the camera's shoe and tilt
the head up for bounce flash. Then tape a glossy white card
extending past one side of the flash. This gives the effect of
simulated sunlight coming from an angle to the subject. The more
the card is extended, the more pronounced the effect. (Sorry Shay
if I infringed upon your territory. You do deserve credit for my
even thinking of trying it.)

I am still very interested in somebody trying to connect two F1000s
in series.

Thanks,
Bill
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WGOgleJr said:
[snip]
Although the F1000 may be a fairly 'simple' flash unit, my biggest
complaint is not being able to swivel the head as well as tilt it
for different bounce effects. Especially when you need to turn the
F707 on its side.
Click to expand...
In case you're not aware of it, you can slide the F1000 into the cold shoe in any of four positions, 90 degrees apart. Not all that flexible, but enough to do at least some of what you're looking for.

As far as series operation goes, I don't know and I wish I did. I e-mailed Sony US support 3 months ago with that question and they said "no", but they didn't seem too sure about anything with this flash or the F707 at the time. If they were correct, then the use of a complex serial data link for the limited capability of this system would have to be one of the greatest pieces of tehnological overkill of all time.

Mike
 
Thanks for the reply.

I was 'assuming' that the data link may get confused with more than one of the same type of equipment. But you never know until you try it. I was hoping that with all of the posts about Sony's lack of flash options, somebody may have experimented with the idea.
Mike Fitzgerald said:
As far as series operation goes, I don't know and I wish I did. I
e-mailed Sony US support 3 months ago with that question and they
said "no", but they didn't seem too sure about anything with this
flash or the F707 at the time. If they were correct, then the use
of a complex serial data link for the limited capability of this
system would have to be one of the greatest pieces of tehnological
overkill of all time.

Mike
Click to expand...
 
While I can't give a defineate answer, I can throw some bad news your way :-(

In general two automatic strobes do not "play well together". They are both trying to measure light and squelch there output during 1/1000 of a second (approximately). You can image that the light from one confuses the other, so you do not get consistant results. You really need manual strobes and a light meter for this. Nikon make automatic strobes where the processors talk to each other, but that system is rather unique (and of course incompatable with Sony!).

Yehuda's comment is probably your best bet. There you only have one automatic system.
'Yehuda Katz said:
I use a similar arrangement with my D-707.

Yehuda
WGOgleJr said:
Anybody have access to two HVL-F1000s?

If so, would you please try an experiment for me?

I would like to know if you can plug one into the F707 for bounce
flash to simulate natural sunlight, and plug the second into the
first for additional effects. I was thinking of using the second
for diffused fill, side lighting, etc. All of you can probably
think of hundreds of ideas to play with if it works.

Although the F1000 may be a fairly 'simple' flash unit, my biggest
complaint is not being able to swivel the head as well as tilt it
for different bounce effects. Especially when you need to turn the
F707 on its side.

Okay, as I sit here typing, I just realized an answer to bouncing
the flash with the F707 on its side. Just mount the flash and the
camera on the included bracket and adjust the bracket angle on the
camera for bounce flash. I'm glad I didn't have to feel like an
idiot when somebody came up with that little work-around.

Just took a break and tried it. It works, even if it is a little
awkward.

In addition, before Shay patents the idea, I tried something else
to simulate a bounced and swiveled flash with the camera in its
'normal' position. Mount the flash on the camera's shoe and tilt
the head up for bounce flash. Then tape a glossy white card
extending past one side of the flash. This gives the effect of
simulated sunlight coming from an angle to the subject. The more
the card is extended, the more pronounced the effect. (Sorry Shay
if I infringed upon your territory. You do deserve credit for my
even thinking of trying it.)

I am still very interested in somebody trying to connect two F1000s
in series.

Thanks,
Bill
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--Tom Ferguson http://www.ferguson-photo-design.comF707 Studio Info Page: http://www.pipeline.com/~tomf2468/temp1.html
 
Tom,

I have used for years an Olympus 35mm camera with simultaneous 2 automatic flashes, with no ill effects. I guess that such a combo might work preoperly with Sony's F-707 too.

Regards, Yehuda
Tom Ferguson said:
In general two automatic strobes do not "play well together". They
are both trying to measure light and squelch there output during
1/1000 of a second (approximately). You can image that the light
from one confuses the other, so you do not get consistant results.
You really need manual strobes and a light meter for this. Nikon
make automatic strobes where the processors talk to each other, but
that system is rather unique (and of course incompatable with
Sony!).

Yehuda's comment is probably your best bet. There you only have one
automatic system.
'Yehuda Katz said:
I use a similar arrangement with my D-707.

Yehuda
WGOgleJr said:
Anybody have access to two HVL-F1000s?

If so, would you please try an experiment for me?

I would like to know if you can plug one into the F707 for bounce
flash to simulate natural sunlight, and plug the second into the
first for additional effects. I was thinking of using the second
for diffused fill, side lighting, etc. All of you can probably
think of hundreds of ideas to play with if it works.

Although the F1000 may be a fairly 'simple' flash unit, my biggest
complaint is not being able to swivel the head as well as tilt it
for different bounce effects. Especially when you need to turn the
F707 on its side.

Okay, as I sit here typing, I just realized an answer to bouncing
the flash with the F707 on its side. Just mount the flash and the
camera on the included bracket and adjust the bracket angle on the
camera for bounce flash. I'm glad I didn't have to feel like an
idiot when somebody came up with that little work-around.

Just took a break and tried it. It works, even if it is a little
awkward.

In addition, before Shay patents the idea, I tried something else
to simulate a bounced and swiveled flash with the camera in its
'normal' position. Mount the flash on the camera's shoe and tilt
the head up for bounce flash. Then tape a glossy white card
extending past one side of the flash. This gives the effect of
simulated sunlight coming from an angle to the subject. The more
the card is extended, the more pronounced the effect. (Sorry Shay
if I infringed upon your territory. You do deserve credit for my
even thinking of trying it.)

I am still very interested in somebody trying to connect two F1000s
in series.

Thanks,
Bill
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
Tom Ferguson
http://www.ferguson-photo-design.com
F707 Studio Info Page:
http://www.pipeline.com/~tomf2468/temp1.html
Click to expand...
 
Yehuda Katz said:
Tom,

I have used for years an Olympus 35mm camera with simultaneous 2
automatic flashes, with no ill effects. I guess that such a combo
might work preoperly with Sony's F-707 too.
Click to expand...
Yehuda,

Are you talking about automatic flashes doing their own metering? I've been using a pair of Olympus T32 units with my OM2n, but when operating them together I've always employed full TTL control by the camera which is not subject to the phenomenon Tom describes since the flashes are not in "auto" mode as such.

The fact that this system has worked beautifully for me over the past 19 years (approx.) is one of the most disappointing things about current Sony digicams. True TTL flash metering could be compared with rear window defrosters in cars — once a novelty and luxury, but nowadays something that we should be able to take for granted in any serious new equipment. I'm afraid that Sony is still in its infancy with flash issues, and that for multiple off-camera flash the manual route is far easier to control.

The DSC-D700 and 770 at least had a hot shoe! And they call it "progress"! ;-)

Mike
 
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