Pentax Challenge #14 Voting

Jonas B · Oct 5, 2006

JensR said:
JensR said:

No no no. I allready voted for your picture the last time,
accidently of course. And that was even a bug!

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LoL, how nice of you...

JensR said:

Just an example. Add bugs. And add pictures with no people and no
constructions or traces of human activity.

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That's terrible, Jonas. You seem to love sunsets! #yuck#

Strangely enough I like sunsets. I really meant to add the topics I mentioned to the list of pictures I don't care much about.

JensR said:
JensR said:

Double Time
Never enough
Time on his hands

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Well, I didn't vote for them.

JensR said:

furthermore, some pictures have no EXIF at all:

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That's right. I just saw that the rules say "please leave ...
intact". It would have been more than nice of the host's to make me
and us aware of it, if really missing EXIF data would be a reason
for exclusion. My more involved workflow loses EXiF. I can put it
back, but it would be the same technique used for cheating, so what
would be the point? With any of these challenges, we have to trust
that people are honest. I'm not upgrading my older but nice
software to EXIF-savvy version(s) for this challenge. That debate
really is pathetic, IMO and takes away the last bit of fun of these
challenges.

JensR said:

JensR said:

JensR said:

and too big, respectively.

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Did not notice. Just look at them at the 800 size and it should be ok.

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Picture 40, 340 and 350 are too heavy.

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330, too. People forgot to resave at a smaller size. This, too,
would be the hosts duty to note.

I'm obviously in a negative mood. Life without smoking is gloomy and that shows.

I think submitted pictures that are too big or heavy, or without exif data could be moved to the Exhibition area. Basically I want people to submit pictures allthough Sean is right about my first post on this.

--
Jonas

eastsaltwater · Oct 5, 2006

Main Challenge:
1. (5 points): Timewatch
2. (3 points): Burn out syndrome
3. (1 point): Builders on the past

Exhibition Gallery:
1. (5 points): Img 1366
2. (3 points): Winter time photographer
3. (1 point): 60 years between

east(that was hard!)saltwater

Gareth_R · Oct 5, 2006

Main:

1) Never Enough
2) Last Train
3) Patterns of Age

Exhibition:

1) Waiting Leaving
2) Sands of Time
3) See You Next Year

Pentaxer · Oct 5, 2006

Main Challenge:
1. (5 points): Last Train
2. (3 points): Fun Time
3. (1 point): Never Enough

Exhibition Gallery:
1. (5 points): 60 Years
2. (3 points): 1366
3. (1 point): See You Next Year

--
Daren Pelletier
pentaxer
http://www.pbase.com/istdaren

SWEngineer · Oct 6, 2006

More votes for my photo(s) or anyone elses. Please vote and thanks much to those who have.
-Mark

Shannon T Smith · Oct 6, 2006

In order

Main:

Last Train
Time for Friends
Never Enough

Exibition:

Waiting Leaving
See You Next Year
Chill Time

Cheers,
STS

foxglove · Oct 6, 2006

JensR said:
JensR said:

Picture 40, 340 and 350 are too heavy.

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330, too. People forgot to resave at a smaller size. This, too,
would be the hosts duty to note.

At risk of defeating the whole anonymity thing, I am one of those offenders, and I wish I had been notified, if it bothers you (and presumably others who are less forthcoming) so much. I honestly hadn't noticed. Of however many "800 pixels on the long side" jpegs I've created, only two have been over 300Kb, so I certainly was surprised to find mine was one of the "overweights"! Perhaps this is also the result of inexperience, as there are so many things to consider that it's easy to forget to check them all.

At any rate, I agree, if we're going to have rules they ought to be followed (I tried, honest!), although enforcing them makes even more work for the host. But I guess that's inevitable, and the price of winning one of these things. At least I don't have to worry on that point any time soon. ;-)
Julie

JensR · Oct 6, 2006

Hi Julie!

foxglove said:
foxglove said:

foxglove said:

Picture 40, 340 and 350 are too heavy.

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330, too. People forgot to resave at a smaller size. This, too,
would be the hosts duty to note.

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At risk of defeating the whole anonymity thing, I am one of those
offenders, and I wish I had been notified, if it bothers you (and
presumably others who are less forthcoming) so much.

Oh, don't confuse me with Jonas. It doesn't really bother me.

Jonas has a point though, there are rules. But to note offending images now, when the offender (I'm one myself, having no EXIF data.) cannot correct his/her error is unfair. The moment voting starts, it should be clear to the voters that all images may be voted.

foxglove said:
At any rate, I agree, if we're going to have rules they ought to be
followed (I tried, honest!), although enforcing them makes even
more work for the host.

It would make for a nice bump post "Challenge entry XY please check your EXIF/filesize/..."

Cheers
Jens

--

'Well, 'Zooming with your feet' is usually a stupid thing as zoom rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
http://www.jensroesner.de/
--=! Condemning proprietary batteries since 1976 !=--

TheKr1S · Oct 6, 2006

Main Challenge:
1. (5 points): last train
2. (3 points): station clock
3. (1 point): timeless (just got myself one last week)

Exhibition Gallery:
1. (5 points):60 years in between (very good observation)
2. (3 points):Time To Rock
3. (1 point): Chill Time (makes me mish I was sitting there)

dakotapix · Oct 6, 2006

Main Challenge:
1. (5 points): Time Alone
2. (3 points): Travelling Time
3. (1 point): Building on the Past

Exhibition Gallery:
1. (5 points): 60 years in between
2. (3 points): Waiting Leaving
3. (1 point): See you next year

Tim

kmccanta · Oct 6, 2006

what about us dinosaurs who still shoot film? where does my EXIf data come from and who cares?

I thought leaving EXIF intact was a nice thing, not a requirement. Why does it need to be there to make the image votable? Arent we voting on the image, not the EXIF data?

Jonas B · Oct 6, 2006

foxglove said:
JensR said:

foxglove said:

Picture 40, 340 and 350 are too heavy.

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330, too. People forgot to resave at a smaller size. This, too,
would be the hosts duty to note.

Click to expand...

At risk of defeating the whole anonymity thing, I am one of those
offenders, and I wish I had been notified, if it bothers you (and
presumably others who are less forthcoming) so much. I honestly
hadn't noticed. Of however many "800 pixels on the long side"
jpegs I've created, only two have been over 300Kb, so I certainly
was surprised to find mine was one of the "overweights"! Perhaps
this is also the result of inexperience, as there are so many
things to consider that it's easy to forget to check them all.
At any rate, I agree, if we're going to have rules they ought to be
followed (I tried, honest!), although enforcing them makes even
more work for the host. But I guess that's inevitable, and the
price of winning one of these things. At least I don't have to
worry on that point any time soon. ;-)
Julie

Please don't mix me up with Jens. He shoots bugs and stuff, and dislikes sunsets...

)

Personally I don't care much of the anonymity thing. I'm also not that interested in a world ruled by rules only. I think common sense many a time works better than honoring rules made up a long time ago and not being adopted to the real world situation of today. So, in a way it doesn't bother me that much.

My point is more something like this: The Main Pentax Challenge should be the important challenge in the forum. I wish many more submitted their pictures, be they newbies, wonderfully skilled, hard working or proud pros, happy amateurs, half blind or whatever.

For the Main Pentax Challenge to be the challenge everybody participating should be able to feel that they do so on equal terms. Hence the rules, and hence me advocasing (?) that the rules should be honored. For example; I avoid some sorts of pictures that are in need of high resolution and a lot of details. They don't get presented the way they deserve if the current ruleset is honored. Then I find it sort of unfair that big (heavy) pictures still find their way in. Heck, I could have done that too.

So, to me it is more of a matter that we follow the rules, or that we change them. Sticking to the rules means that the host has to check more carefully what is uploaded. The rules aren't that hard; size, weight, date, include EXIF. The hosts can easily temporarily move pictures to the Exhibition area and mail the submittor asking for another version of the picture when needed. This is a little extra work. (I know Mike had a lot of things to do and think about lately - I want it to be clear that this is not about him. The problem (if it is one) isn't new but has existed for a long time.)

I don't see this as a matter of not trusting people. As I mentioned somewhere before, it's not like winning a Pulitzer or the Nobel prize. If your software cleans the EXIF you can mention that in a comment when posting the picture to pBase. No big deal.

And for your last part about not having to worry about winning... well, I use to think the same. But some day you get that picture! At least I like to think it's possible, not matter how skilled or experienced everybody are.
Keep posting!

--
regards,

Jonas

Jonas B · Oct 6, 2006

kmccanta said:
what about us dinosaurs who still shoot film? where does my EXIf
data come from and who cares?

I thought leaving EXIF intact was a nice thing, not a requirement.
Why does it need to be there to make the image votable? Arent we
voting on the image, not the EXIF data?

I think the EXIF has been a conveniant way to show a sign about the picture being taken within the time frame, and with a Pentax camera. It's a nice thing but not a requirement. Why not scan your picture, PP it, post it and while posting leave a comment telling us about why there is no EXIF? That should be an easy solution.

As I said in my reply to Julie; it's no big deal. I do however object against too big pictures, no EXIF, taken whenever. I don't find it fair and it also makes the main challenge loose some of it's dignity.
Maybe that is just me. We can decide just anything and it will be fine with me.

--
regards,

Jonas

JensR · Oct 6, 2006

kmccanta said:
what about us dinosaurs who still shoot film?

I'd love to see some film shots in the challenge!

kmccanta said:
I thought leaving EXIF intact was a nice thing, not a requirement.
Why does it need to be there to make the image votable? Arent we
voting on the image, not the EXIF data?

Exactly my feelings! (oops, said this already...)

--

'Well, 'Zooming with your feet' is usually a stupid thing as zoom rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
http://www.jensroesner.de/
--=! Condemning proprietary batteries since 1976 !=--

carpents · Oct 6, 2006

...and I think future hosts will pay more attention to these issues. We should keep in mind that Mike was travelling through much of this challenge, so he didn't have tons of time for checking these things.

We also could have pointed it out to him at any time, but I doubt that any of us noticed until after the challenge ended.

Jonas B said:
kmccanta said:

what about us dinosaurs who still shoot film? where does my EXIf
data come from and who cares?

I thought leaving EXIF intact was a nice thing, not a requirement.
Why does it need to be there to make the image votable? Arent we
voting on the image, not the EXIF data?

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I think the EXIF has been a conveniant way to show a sign about the
picture being taken within the time frame, and with a Pentax
camera. It's a nice thing but not a requirement. Why not scan your
picture, PP it, post it and while posting leave a comment telling
us about why there is no EXIF? That should be an easy solution.
As I said in my reply to Julie; it's no big deal. I do however
object against too big pictures, no EXIF, taken whenever. I don't
find it fair and it also makes the main challenge loose some of
it's dignity.
Maybe that is just me. We can decide just anything and it will be
fine with me.

--
regards,

Jonas

JensR · Oct 6, 2006

Hi Jonas!

Jonas B said:
Please don't mix me up with Jens. He shoots bugs and stuff, and
dislikes sunsets... )

LOL. We need to work on that sarcasm-radar

I like sunsets, if tastefully done. (Where have I heard that excuse before?)
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/gallery/sunset_muehltal_small.html
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/gallery/IMGP1545_mod_small.html
(Sometimes even banding can't destroy an image.)
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/gallery/mirror_Suedzucker_small.html
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/gallery/Frankfurt_skyline_small.html

I respect your opinion and think you have a point about JPEG quality and file size/dimensions and that some images might benefit from breaking the limit. My big issue with this discussion is that it happens when the participants can't remedy their errors, or wouldn't be re-uploading a corrected image be also against the rules?
This topic should be dicussed before and for the next voting.

The Canon challenge has a third gallery: Pending. All images with issues are moved there and the participant has the possibility to correct them.

More work for the host, yes. But better than having non-eligible images that are non-eligible by accident, as I am sure.

Cheers
Jens

--

'Well, 'Zooming with your feet' is usually a stupid thing as zoom rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
http://www.jensroesner.de/
--=! Condemning proprietary batteries since 1976 !=--

Jonas B · Oct 6, 2006

Hi Jens,

JensR danced on the keyboard:

JensR said:
-snip-
LOL. We need to work on that sarcasm-radar

Indeed. But as we have seen I also have other sides of my personality that is in urgent need of remodelling.

JensR said:
I like sunsets, if tastefully done. (Where have I heard that excuse
before?)
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/gallery/sunset_muehltal_small.html
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/gallery/IMGP1545_mod_small.html
(Sometimes even banding can't destroy an image.)
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/gallery/mirror_Suedzucker_small.html
http://www.jr-worldwi.de/photo/gallery/Frankfurt_skyline_small.html

Mirror Südzucker - that one I like.

JensR said:
I respect your opinion and think you have a point about JPEG
quality and file size/dimensions and that some images might benefit
from breaking the limit.

Thanks. But that was an easy one.

JensR said:
My big issue with this discussion is that
it happens when the participants can't remedy their errors, or
wouldn't be re-uploading a corrected image be also against the
rules?
This topic should be dicussed before and for the next voting.

You are right. I was carried away in the moment. (Thinking fast or do some good thinking - one of the areas mentioned. Maybe I need a brake in general, as well, and a cigarette.)

JensR said:
The Canon challenge has a third gallery: Pending. All images with
issues are moved there and the participant has the possibility to
correct them.

Clever people, those Canonians.

JensR said:
More work for the host, yes. But better than having non-eligible
images that are non-eligible by accident, as I am sure.

And, again, it helps for the status of the challenge I guess.

Cheers!

Jonas

foxglove · Oct 7, 2006

JensR said:
Oh, don't confuse me with Jonas. It doesn't really bother me.

Sorry, I was directing that comment to Jonas, it gets confusing, doesn't it?

JensR said:
It would make for a nice bump post "Challenge entry XY please check
your EXIF/filesize/..."

Heh, good point! It does mean the host has to go and check the entries, but I suppose it's not that much more trouble than everything else. Certainly the threads could do with more bumps!
Julie

foxglove · Oct 7, 2006

Jonas B said:
Please don't mix me up with Jens. He shoots bugs and stuff, and
dislikes sunsets... )

Oh dear, these threads do get confusing... I haven't got you confused (yet!), it's just never clear to whom you're directing a comment when you're essentially replying to a conversation between two (or more) people.

Jonas B said:
For the Main Pentax Challenge to be the challenge everybody
participating should be able to feel that they do so on equal
terms.

I entirely agree!

Jonas B said:
Sticking to the rules means that the host has to
check more carefully what is uploaded. The rules aren't that hard;
size, weight, date, include EXIF. The hosts can easily temporarily
move pictures to the Exhibition area and mail the submittor asking
for another version of the picture when needed.

I rather like Jens's idea - ask the submitter of such-and-such to check their size/exif/whatever within the submission thread, which has the added benefit of bumping the thread.

Jonas B said:
And for your last part about not having to worry about winning...
well, I use to think the same. But some day you get that picture!
At least I like to think it's possible, not matter how skilled or
experienced everybody are.

I'd like to think someday I'll get a good one. I've got some shots that I'm very happy with more or less by accident, so the challenging part is doing so "on demand". I really enjoy the challenges because they force me to think about what I'm shooting, and shoot for a particular goal, rather than just snapping away at whatever I think looks interesting.
Happy shooting!

Julie

Lance B · Oct 7, 2006

Main Challenge:
1. (5 points): Time on his hands
2. (3 points): Never Enough
3. (1 point): Last Train

Exhibition Gallery:
1. (5 points): Vanished
2. (3 points): Waiting Leaving
3. (1 point): Time to Paint

--
Lance B

http://www.pbase.com/lance_b
GMT +10hours

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