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Ok you guys answered my other question so wonderfuly that now it poses yet another one...

If the quality and resolution of the 5D is so good , would it make sense to even buy a 1D's MKII ? I don't mean for the question to sound stupid, because we all know that the 1D's is twice the price and then some of the 5D, but as far as quality and resolution, noise, high iso.....

Point blank are there enough differences between the to bodies, enough to warrant the price of 1D'sMKII????? thx guys...oh in case you ask it will be for all around photog, Nature, Portraiture, Event, Wedding, Church and school pics, maybe occasional sports (my 2 sons) Nicholas and Dylan my Pride and Joy...
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--the 1D's MKII 16.7 MP and the 5D 12.7 MP.......I know they are very different....

First off please forgive me if i'm incorrect for I'm the furthest thing from a pro...

16.7 - 12.8...around 4MP difference. So is the resolution and quality of the pics going to be that much different (resolution and Quality only)

Not taking into account build quality... I'm strictly talking about quality and resolution. ISO, Low light.....
 
PC writes:
I don't have 5D but have 1Ds Mark II and 1D Mark II.

Since majority of the characteristics in term of noise, dymanic, and FF are the same... I have 5 "Y/N" questions for you :)

1) Do you need weather seal feature? If nio, get 5D.

2) Do you need tight cropping to print large? If no get a 5D.

3) Do you really need precision of a 45 point AF? If no, get a 5D.

4) Do you like the build, weight, and size of the 1Ds series... enough to spend a few $$$K more? If no, get a 5D.

5) How does your bank balance look :)? If you your cold cash stashed up knee high :)... get the best 1Ds Mark II

Really, I don't see too much difference in image qualify that warrant another $4K for the 1Ds Mark II (even if I own one and only because 5D wasn't out back then). Sure the pixel count is more but do I really have to pay $4K for it? I would say "no".

Now, if the price is $1K or so different then by all mean get the 1Ds Mark II.

Thanks,
Paul
 
PC writes:

I would email you the RAW from 1Ds Mark II at @1600 and @3200 except that at 16.5MB it supassed the email limitation - which is 10mb on mine.

Paul
 
I think both are way overpriced. And I believe in a few years, the prices of digital SLRs will come down dramatically. It's just like PCs first started coming out. They were so outrageously priced that no one could afford them except some corporations. A case in point. I was looking at an somewhat old Canon brochure that featured their digital SLRs as well as film SLRs. Comparing 1DsMkII to EOS-1V, the specs were almost exactly the same except the fact that the former was digital. However, 1V could be had for about $1500 if I remember correctly. That's how much top of the line film SLRs used to cost. So, that's why I am personally reluctant to spend much more than that on a DSLR for fear that in the near future, I will kick myself for spending so much money on a camera when a "cheaper" camera would have been just as good.

If you are a pro on the cutting edge, then I believe 1DsMKII will give you that edge. but if not, unless you have a money-tree growing in the backyard, I don't think it's worth it.
 
hong197 said:
I think both are way overpriced.
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Not really relevant. Market demand determines price. If they were overpriced they wouldn't sell and be . . . lower priced. ;)
hong197 said:
And I believe in a few years, the
prices of digital SLRs will come down dramatically. It's just like
PCs first started coming out. They were so outrageously priced that
no one could afford them except some corporations.
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Are you at all familiar with economies of scale? You make it sound like prices are arbitrarily high with no relationship to development cost and production scale. There is nothing "outrageuous" about a high price if it's early in the product cycle.

To the OP - you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between 1DsII and 5D files. I've seen a number of test comparisons and the only reason I would upgrade to a 1DsII would be focus speed/accuracy and build quality. Image Quality is far too close to justify the price difference.

Joe
 
The reason for my earlier question regarding model is The smaller 1DMarkIIn sound like a good camera for you as well. For Nature, Sports and schools it would really shine for you. The faster frame rate and focus for sports and nature as well as the crop factor. For schools the smaller file are never a problem. We continue to shoot the N's at schools ever with the larger cameras here. The PP time is greatly reduced and print over 11x14 are very rae from schools.

Wedding and event photography are a different animal. The FF gives you and advantage in close quarters. The 5D shines at theater events and night games thans to a very smooth 1600 iso. (although the N is really nice there to)

Just something else to chew on.

Good luck,

Bric
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Wrong, it's a little thing called greed.

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Hi Juli...

Heres my situation, I recently came into a nice chunk of money and realy wanted to bump up my equipment. So originaly I was thinking of the MKII N or the 5D, But then I figured hey I can afford to get the 1D's MKII if I want..

I like to do just about all aspects of photog event, Wedding, Portraits, wildlife, Nature and everything in between. So I figured why not get the 1D's MKII (16.7MP) it's well built I don't have to worry about the elements too much and it is a tank it will last forever and be an outstanding body for years to come. But then it was brought to my attention that the 1D's MKII and 5D resolution and image quality were pretty much the same. So I figured why spend the money on the 1D's MKII if I can get the same image quality from 5D...

The MKII N is very nice and I'm very tempted to get that, but the only hold up is the limited 8MP I'm worried that I won't be able to print very big, and that is an option I must have.

Here is my opinion I don't get caught up in the wait for the new body deal...I want to shoot now like yesterday, but I don't want to make the wrong decision. Plus I would rather have too much camera and not need it, then to need more and not have it... Like I said if I could get large beautiful prints from the MKII N withoutPP the heck out of it then I would...

I truely apologize if I seem to be all over the place, But this is a big decision for me as I probobly won't get a large chunk of money like this for a long time... I pretty much have 10-15,000 USD to purchase body and glass..but the only glass I will purchase is fast L no exceptions..

I realy appreciate your comments and your patience... I know your advice will help my decision...the in my opinion pro's here are very talented and knowlegable so I truely appreciate your help...
 
...and the 1Ds II offers better image quality, much more robust processing, a far better build, much more in the way of customization and a totally different type of "handling and feel". It is, in my experience, a superior camera in nearly every way (except possibly for noise at higher ISOs)....although the 5D could very well satisfy your needs and your vision of IQ. All depends on what you want to use your camera for.

And...by the way...4MP makes a difference in how detail is perceived in an image, regardless of print size. If you're shooting landscapes with delicate foliage, the difference in detail in quite obvious. For portrait work, the detail is less obvious. But there is definitely a difference.

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Hi Steve...

Thanks for your reply, like I said I want to do Event, Wedding, Portraiture, Wildlife, Nature...Plus I have 3 children 2 boys and a girl and I know the sports thing will only get bigger which is why i said if the MKII N was a little bigger as far as MP like a 12...in other words if the 5D was in a 1D's body it would be excellent..lol
 
Are you familiar about as technology improves in the mfg process, driving prices down. 1989 I paid $110 per MB of RAM and $550 for 80 MB hard drive. If Canon refuses to kower their prices to match their competition, Canon goes out of business.
Joe Marques said:
Are you at all familiar with economies of scale? You make it sound
like prices are arbitrarily high with no relationship to
development cost and production scale. There is nothing
"outrageuous" about a high price if it's early in the product cycle.
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Hey that is a good Idea...but What I think I would do is get a new 1D MKII N and a 5D...with a 70-200 2.8L IS, 851.2L, 135 f2L, 24-702.8L
 
Well, now that you mention you have 10-15k to spend... I would go for the 1DsMKII. The reason being that once you get it, you won't be wondering, "Should I have gotten something better?" 5D and 1dMKIIn are nice, but they are not 1DsMKII! If there ever comes a day when you think to yourself, "5D isn't focusing right" or "1DMKIIn doesn't have enough pixels," then you will be thinking about 1DsMKII that you didn't get... IMHO.
 
Just had a freind tell me to get the 1D's MKII and the MKII N...lol thats out of the question....I have seen quite a few prints of the MKII N blown up quite a bit larger than 16x20 and I have to say I was impressed...it may only be 8.2MP but the size of the sensor is significant compared to other 8.2 sensors....So I was thinking...the only benifit of the 1D's MKII and 5D over the MKII N is the ability to print extremly large pics...and all I use is L glass so prints on MKII N should be excellent
 
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