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OK Sony.

2 emails later and I still don't know if the the Infolithium batteries in me DSC-R1 are going to fry it.We deserve better,guys.

After root kits, burning laptops and attempting to enslave all the recorded music in the world; just who is it that advises you on public relations, Jacko or Bubbles from the other side ???
Last Sony product for me, like the camera, can't live with the company.
 
I assume you are refering to the Sony Li-Ion battery recall going on at Dell and other laptop manufacturers.

To date, no infolithium batteries have been involved in the recall. The recall, so far, only effects batteries for laptop computers. Those batteries are NOT infolithium.

I have had my R1 for about one year now and I have absolutely no problems at all with my batteries. Same goes for my camcorder infolithium batteries.
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I have owned and used Sony cameras which use Infolithium batteries,
specifically the FM50, since 2000 when I acquired a DSC-S70. Since
that time I have also acquired a DSC-F707 (2002) and more recently
a DSC-R1 (2006) that also use the FM50. I have used all three cameras
fairly intensively and have never had any problems with their batteries.
In fact I am still using the FM50s I got in 2000 as spares for my R1.

So find something else to worry about, Infolithium batteries have
passed the test of time and have proven to be very reliable.

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Ron Poelman said:
OK Sony.
2 emails later and I still don't know if the the Infolithium
batteries in me DSC-R1 are going to fry it.We deserve better,guys.
After root kits, burning laptops and attempting to enslave all the
recorded music in the world; just who is it that advises you on
public relations, Jacko or Bubbles from the other side ???
Last Sony product for me, like the camera, can't live with the
company.
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2 emails...wow
 
I guess you can spend your days worrying about everything that could potentially happen to you instead of enjoying life and only reacting IF something happens to you - everyone likes to live their lives a different way.

By all means, buy what you want. If you don't want to buy another Sony...you most certainly don't have to. And I don't foresee any hair off your back if someone else decides they do want to buy a Sony. So the grand announcements and declarations are a bit unnecessary, especially considering that you seem to be very much alone in your worry about the Infolithium battery in your R1 (at least on these boards - I'm sure there are conspiracy theorists and sky-is-falling pessimists who would quickly embrace your concerns).

And what a mega-corporation like Sony does in their music business, or their third-party laptop battery manufacturing business, just doesn't matter one little bit to me when I'm buying a camera. I'm going to look for the best product and the best price, and buy it - regardless of the label on it or whether or not that company owns a separate division that makes something that gets recalled.

If you dug deep into the records of every large corporation in the world, you'd find cover-ups, embezzling, failed oversight, poor labor conditions, associations with enemy countries, price-fixing, and everything else you can think of. It's called the corporate world. If you took a stand to not buy anything from any company which had a coverup, a recall, or a scandal, you'd be sitting naked in the desert with no clothes or material possessions.

As for the Infolithium battery in question, the FM50...My first one was in 1999, as provided with my Sony FD91 Mavica camera. Then I got another one with my TRV25 videocam. And another with my F717. That's three FM50 batteries. All of which are still alive today, and in use. Including the one from 1999, now 7 years old and still holding a charge for a day of shooting. Number of total days in use? God only knows. Number of spontaneous fires started? 0.

Of course, I also have a Dell laptop which hasn't burst into flames...and it even had the recalled battery. I could have panicked and thrown my laptop in the pool as soon as I heard...but I decided to go with the level-headed approach and figured that since I hadn't yet had a fire, and the chances that any Dell laptop with the recalled battery would actually catch on fire was in the range of 1 in 1,000,000...I didn't really have to worry about that any more than the possibility that a meteor would burst through my ceiling (it could happen too, but the odds are pretty long). And I'd still buy a Dell product...because my personal experience has been good.

I do hope you find happiness in whatever product you buy, and hope that the manufacturer of that product has no mistakes anywhere in their history. And I hope you can understand if the folks who visit the Sony Talk Forum continue to buy, shoot with, and talk about our Sony cameras. And if anyone's R1 decides to do an imitation of a tiki torch, hopefully they'll have another Sony camera on hand to photograph it!

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Hmm, reminds me, I should exchange my ibook battery someday. No fires yet, want to get as much life out of it as possible before swapping.
 
Hey, Ron,

Did you also email the Vatican to inquire how many angels can dance on the head of a pin? Or NASA to find out what Armstrong REALLY said?

Or, perhaps since you're so concerned you simply removed the battery for storage in a fireproof location . . . . no, that would be rational (assuming you actually have a concern about it)

Like the forum, have trouble with the internet Rambos.
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Is actually very legitimate. Although I've never heard of a problem with the FM50s, imagine putting the camera up to your eye and having it explode. To say that the battery has been around for years is of no consequence. The R1 has been around for only one year and has different power requirements. Also, like the bad lot of Sony CCDs, there is the chance of a bad run of batteries. It would be a shame to loose an eye because you were not inclined to ask a relative question.
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Anyone looked at his history! TROLL POTENTIAL!!!!
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Guerito said:
Is actually very legitimate. ..
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I doubt it very much .. it is the same simplistic forward thinking as the one that happened with the Sony rootkit "stupidity"

by simplistic extension

laptop Li-ion batteries bad => all LI-ion batteries bad? => Info-Lithium bad too? => and what about simple Lithium? => NiMH also affected? => all batteries in the world bad ? => how dangerous is life with all types of batteries actually? etc etc .. (how many third party cellphone batteries did explode?)

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Nice of somebody to get the point.

I doubt there is much risk of initial injury as the laptops seem to give plenty of heat and warning first.

I'm a lot more concerned about setting the car alight on the mobile charger a very long way from anywhere or possibly starting a house fire on an overnight charge.

My understanding is the suss ones are a manufacturing fault (not a design one) so hopefully a different battery would mean less chance of the same fault.

My emails were sent as a member to MySony, alledgedly a special site for owners only, so to not recieve a reply either time is exceedingly lax or deliberate.

My thread would not have occurred if Sony had done the right thing and told all their camera owners that the problem did not apply to them.

Their failure to do so is suspect and certainly worth airing on a "Sony" forum, so I am amazed at the hysterical flame level this thread generated.

One would almost be tempted to say this forum has been well and truly infiltrated by paid Sony stooges to make sure all messengers are well and truly shot.
 
Ron Poelman said:
Their failure to do so is suspect and certainly worth airing on a
"Sony" forum, so I am amazed at the hysterical flame level this
thread generated.
One would almost be tempted to say this forum has been well and
truly infiltrated by paid Sony stooges to make sure all messengers
are well and truly shot.
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Sometimes silence is the best way. I case with you silence is the only way.
 
That one gets a standing ovation!
zackiedawg said:
I guess you can spend your days worrying about everything that
could potentially happen to you instead of enjoying life and only
reacting IF something happens to you - everyone likes to live their
lives a different way.

By all means, buy what you want. If you don't want to buy another
Sony...you most certainly don't have to. And I don't foresee any
hair off your back if someone else decides they do want to buy a
Sony. So the grand announcements and declarations are a bit
unnecessary, especially considering that you seem to be very much
alone in your worry about the Infolithium battery in your R1 (at
least on these boards - I'm sure there are conspiracy theorists and
sky-is-falling pessimists who would quickly embrace your concerns).

And what a mega-corporation like Sony does in their music business,
or their third-party laptop battery manufacturing business, just
doesn't matter one little bit to me when I'm buying a camera. I'm
going to look for the best product and the best price, and buy it -
regardless of the label on it or whether or not that company owns a
separate division that makes something that gets recalled.

If you dug deep into the records of every large corporation in the
world, you'd find cover-ups, embezzling, failed oversight, poor
labor conditions, associations with enemy countries, price-fixing,
and everything else you can think of. It's called the corporate
world. If you took a stand to not buy anything from any company
which had a coverup, a recall, or a scandal, you'd be sitting naked
in the desert with no clothes or material possessions.

As for the Infolithium battery in question, the FM50...My first one
was in 1999, as provided with my Sony FD91 Mavica camera. Then I
got another one with my TRV25 videocam. And another with my F717.
That's three FM50 batteries. All of which are still alive today,
and in use. Including the one from 1999, now 7 years old and still
holding a charge for a day of shooting. Number of total days in
use? God only knows. Number of spontaneous fires started? 0.

Of course, I also have a Dell laptop which hasn't burst into
flames...and it even had the recalled battery. I could have
panicked and thrown my laptop in the pool as soon as I heard...but
I decided to go with the level-headed approach and figured that
since I hadn't yet had a fire, and the chances that any Dell laptop
with the recalled battery would actually catch on fire was in the
range of 1 in 1,000,000...I didn't really have to worry about that
any more than the possibility that a meteor would burst through my
ceiling (it could happen too, but the odds are pretty long). And
I'd still buy a Dell product...because my personal experience has
been good.

I do hope you find happiness in whatever product you buy, and hope
that the manufacturer of that product has no mistakes anywhere in
their history. And I hope you can understand if the folks who
visit the Sony Talk Forum continue to buy, shoot with, and talk
about our Sony cameras. And if anyone's R1 decides to do an
imitation of a tiki torch, hopefully they'll have another Sony
camera on hand to photograph it!

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Ron Poelman wrote:
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Ron Poelman said:
My thread would not have occurred if Sony had done the right thing
and told all their camera owners that the problem did not apply to
them.
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sorry .. but I saw a similar uproar of "paranoia" after the Sony rootkit misfortune where all camera users suddenly were talking about rootkits in their cameras .. the human extrapolation thing seems to obscure (block?) logic thinking if there is enough "public" amplification .. :-)

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Ron Poelman said:
Nice of somebody to get the point.
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It could be argued that your point was originally pretty well hidden, buried in a multicolored coat of polemic.
Ron Poelman said:
I doubt there is much risk of initial injury as the laptops seem to
give plenty of heat and warning first.
I'm a lot more concerned about setting the car alight on the mobile
charger a very long way from anywhere or possibly starting a house
fire on an overnight charge.
My understanding is the suss ones are a manufacturing fault (not a
design one) so hopefully a different battery would mean less chance
of the same fault.
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Shame you didn't say that immediately. Batteries don't just explode. Any battery. Yes, batteries have exploded, particularly wet lead cell batteries that are in a few cars. Batteries do heat. That is the problem with the Sony supplied laptop paks as I understand it. The heating is easily monitored and will always be the first warning sign of a problem.
Ron Poelman said:
My emails were sent as a member to MySony, alledgedly a special
site for owners only, so to not recieve a reply either time is
exceedingly lax or deliberate.
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Did you attempt to contact techinical support or a service provider? If the transmission of my car is making strange noises, the last person I'd bother consulting is a car salesman. I believe if you scratch very much on MySony, you'll find a marketing effort. It's true you can still claim your point is valid. I suppose it depends on whether you want an answer to your question or have some other purpose.
Ron Poelman said:
My thread would not have occurred if Sony had done the right thing
and told all their camera owners that the problem did not apply to
them.
Their failure to do so is suspect and certainly worth airing on a
"Sony" forum, so I am amazed at the hysterical flame level this
thread generated.
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I am assuming your mother no longer tucks you into bed every night assuring you all will be well in the morning. Notifying every customer of a world wide corporation of every problem THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THEM is a really, really interesting definition of "the right thing"
Ron Poelman said:
One would almost be tempted to say this forum has been well and
truly infiltrated by paid Sony stooges to make sure all messengers
are well and truly shot.
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Paid stooge, huh? Speaking only for myself, I'll say my original response to your diatribe was a deliberate parody and no more or no less extreme than your original posting.

Of course, none of this is worth the time invested in it. Sheepishly, I'll admit my own guilt. But Ron, you just hit me on a bad day. Let's just look at that original post a moment:

"OK Sony.

2 emails later and I still don't know if the the Infolithium batteries in me DSC-R1 are going to fry it.We deserve better,guys.

After root kits, burning laptops and attempting to enslave all the recorded music in the world; just who is it that advises you on public relations, Jacko or Bubbles from the other side ???

Last Sony product for me, like the camera, can't live with the company. "

And let's not forget "DENY, DENY, DENY"

Sorry, that sounds a lot more like venting your spleen than either soliciting or distributing information. And I suppose that's your right. Just don't get self righteous when people take some degree of exception to the tone.

I certainly don't want you to purchase any product or service against your will. I'll even defend your right to persuade others. But if you sound silly while doing it, someone may notice. . . or even comment (which is their right as well)

End of rant.

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