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Nikon firmware updates - wow...
- Thread starter astefot
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Almost - of course, the usual suspects couldn't resist. But I think their uncritical and blind brand loyality is cute. Digital cameras today are marketed as "lifestyle products" - therefore, they are good boys!
I like many things about Nikon...
- Haven't seen any Nikon printers: they position themselves as a photography specialist, not a general consumer electronics company like Canon. I think this will pay off in the long term.
- There are Zeiss lenses availble for Nikon bodies and several non-Nikon bodies for Nikon lenses - the Nikon system offers more options
- Nikon user interface is better (more buttons, controls - less menus)
- Nikon flash system is reliable
I am not even going to bother with any of the latest firmware updates. Not worth the time. Don't be fooled by Astefots's victim act, he likes stirring the pot with his half truths and melodrama.
agnigodwin
Forum Enthusiast
If it's correct then that's 1 camera not most. This thread is about the recent firmware upgrades to the D2x, D200 & D2hs. The D50 is irrelevant to the discussion. From my experience shooting with the upgrade over the last few days there have been significant improvements across the board for the D2x alongside the added features. It feels like I've got a new camera, the focus is amazing, they've tweaked the color its now flawless, mild improvements to iso performance and increased flexibility.
I shoot jpeg because I'm lazy and I was amazed at what I got straight out of the camera today. I own a 5d but hardly use it because it's a dog to work with compared to the D2x and especially now after the upgrade. Here's a jpeg resized but unedited from a D2x, obviously subjective but I love the look. Shot hand held at f2.2, pin sharp across the frame nice contrast, low flare and surprisingly despite being heavily backlit in mixed low light I was amazed that every shot was dead sharp. There was fill flash however the exposure was slow enough for the ambient light to have some influence.
I shoot jpeg because I'm lazy and I was amazed at what I got straight out of the camera today. I own a 5d but hardly use it because it's a dog to work with compared to the D2x and especially now after the upgrade. Here's a jpeg resized but unedited from a D2x, obviously subjective but I love the look. Shot hand held at f2.2, pin sharp across the frame nice contrast, low flare and surprisingly despite being heavily backlit in mixed low light I was amazed that every shot was dead sharp. There was fill flash however the exposure was slow enough for the ambient light to have some influence.
agnigodwin
Forum Enthusiast
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zape
Senior Member
Oh well, you know I think with your one-sided sour-grapes posting history its not a surprise that some people answer you without even reading what you wrote when they see your name. More or less, you called for it.
I do agree that Nikon made some nice features available in the fw upgrade (improved AF, that's really nice) and that other players (especially Canon) ought to do the same. They should realize that by releasing firmware upgrades for existing customers they make an investment towards their future customer base. Customers like being well treated and usually honor that with further purchases.
On the other hand, saying that Canon has abandoned they pro line is BS. As of today, Canon has arguably the best IQ in the APS-C and FF formats, have the best PJ camera and you need to throw $12k+ to get anything that compares to the current FF line. Sure, they could do better, but they don't and people still purchase Canon cameras more than other brand.
This is complete BS. Are you saying that Canon makes worse cameras because they also make printers? You had one short lapse of being reasonable, but its already ower right? Back to you astefot
Which you can mount on EOS bodies as well....
Like FF? Or 8mpix at 8fps? Or 16+Mpix? Or 5d/1d high iso? Or 10Mpix pro AF at $600?
Sure, the Nikon system offers things Canon doesn't. But then again there is a list of things at Canon you don't have a substitute for in Nikon.
Subjective.
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Oh well, you know I think with your one-sided sour-grapes posting
history its not a surprise that some people answer you without even
reading what you wrote when they see your name. More or less, you
called for it.
I do agree that Nikon made some nice features available in the fw
upgrade (improved AF, that's really nice) and that other players
(especially Canon) ought to do the same. They should realize that
by releasing firmware upgrades for existing customers they make an
investment towards their future customer base. Customers like being
well treated and usually honor that with further purchases.
On the other hand, saying that Canon has abandoned they pro line is
BS. As of today, Canon has arguably the best IQ in the APS-C and FF
formats, have the best PJ camera and you need to throw $12k+ to get
anything that compares to the current FF line. Sure, they could do
better, but they don't and people still purchase Canon cameras more
than other brand.
This is complete BS. Are you saying that Canon makes worse cameras
because they also make printers? You had one short lapse of being
reasonable, but its already ower right? Back to you astefot
Which you can mount on EOS bodies as well....
Like FF? Or 8mpix at 8fps? Or 16+Mpix? Or 5d/1d high iso? Or 10Mpix
pro AF at $600?
Sure, the Nikon system offers things Canon doesn't. But then again
there is a list of things at Canon you don't have a substitute for
in Nikon.
Subjective.
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Kabe Luna
Veteran Member
is it that you LIKE to *****-and-moan?
I'm starting to think you're nothing more than a curmudgeon who likes the sound of this own fingers striking the keys.
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Kabe Luna
I'm starting to think you're nothing more than a curmudgeon who likes the sound of this own fingers striking the keys.
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Kabe Luna
My comment was just to show the ignorance of the Nikonia coming here to claim the ignorance of a Canon user. The claim was "Obviously, you've not used Nikons. None of the Nikon cameras apply NR at iso 200. I have both the D2x and 5D (and a D80)." and the answer is this is not true.
D50 is the 1st camera proven Nikon has used NR in low ISO, and I have not seen any proofs this is not true with the other new Nikon cameras as well.
That's exactly the point: My "wow" doesn't go to tit or tat camera, but to Nikon's firmware policy, which I think is much more client-oriented than what Canon is doing.
agnigodwin
Forum Enthusiast
Peter White’s comments for the most part were ignorant and quite funny, I was surprised that anyone would treat them seriously as they didn’t really deserve a dignified response.
I am as ignorant as JCV with respect to the D50 as you seem to be with the D2x and sundry however the fault really lies in committing oneself to absolutes. Credit to Peter in using the word “most” instead of “all” as opposed to JCV who said “none”. Knit-picking is entertaining but not productive and ignorance is bliss. If we choose not to seek proofs and never challenge our beliefs then our time is done
I am as ignorant as JCV with respect to the D50 as you seem to be with the D2x and sundry however the fault really lies in committing oneself to absolutes. Credit to Peter in using the word “most” instead of “all” as opposed to JCV who said “none”. Knit-picking is entertaining but not productive and ignorance is bliss. If we choose not to seek proofs and never challenge our beliefs then our time is done
I agree with your analysis. With their current attitude, Canon is creating long-term problems.
I fully agree, with their current attitude, Canon is creating long-term problems.
zape
Senior Member
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zape
Senior Member
Hmm, how do you know what they will release by next year in the pro and semi pro line. It appears that a number of their models (1d/s, 5d, perhaps also the 40d) are due for a replacement next year, so how can you predict that they will not leapfrog the competition, or simply release feature-packed cameras?
So far Canon didn't need to compete on features, as they had a steady leadership in the most important aspect (IQ). They might still maintain that leadership by pushing the envelope (I recal CW talking about high DR cameras being worked on). If they can't do that they can still start competing on the feature level (which they are good at).
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I didn't write to Canon, however Canon do know my views on the changes I would like to see implemented - that was what the owner survey they conducted 6 months after the 5D was launched was for.
It is not uncommon, if arrogant, to only recognise the response you wanted to see in the first place. I am sure that there are several Canon execs briefing each other that the result of their surveys showed Canon owners were completely satisfied with their products.
It is not uncommon, if arrogant, to only recognise the response you wanted to see in the first place. I am sure that there are several Canon execs briefing each other that the result of their surveys showed Canon owners were completely satisfied with their products.
RonJay
Well-known member
We'd be happier if you were.
If you owned a Canon instead of bitching about them then you would know that they DO ask.
As a recent Canon dSLR owner I can't say how frequently they ask, but I do know that they asked me within three months of purchase what I liked and what I disliked about the camera and what improvements I would like to see.
I don't claim responsibility for it, but one of my suggested improvements (and I am sure many others suggested it too) was to license the Olympus dust removal system. Since that has just appeared on Canon's latest entry level dSLR, it would appear that they do listen to some of us at least some of the time.
Those last 4 words are the key - they haven't implemented my suggestions for the useless Pixma advertisement button on any new products yet. Perhaps fewer respondees to the survey commented on that.
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