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The biggest lack in some of the editing programs is the lack
of color management tools. I have stuck with PhotoPaint
because of this, and because I already own it. I refuse to
pay for the full version of PhotoShop to use in a hobby set
up. Now, PhotoPaint can not use the profiles made with
Profile Prism. Which of the PS alternatives has a decent color
management ability built in.
nicole said:
Ahhh HA!!!!

That does sound like a great feature. Can't wait to check it out...

Thanks Adam,

Nicole
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Adam--

PSE seems to be meeting my needs so far - especially in the budget area. I wish I could take advantage of more of the actions out there though. How do you hack/adapt them for PSE?
Thanks!
Daryl
Adam2 said:
Ric,

It is not exactly true that you can't create "add-ons" for
Elements. Some actions will work when installed in PSE (you have
to make a small but easy hack to do this) and you can create
"recipes" as well.

You were correct about LE. It does have curves (PSE doesn't but
you can still use the Histogram, which is essentially a 3 point
curve) but lacks the history and can't normally use actions (I
haven't tried to hack it the way you can with PSE). CMYK and LAB
isn't there either.

I had PS4 and really couldn't afford the $300 upgrade. PSE has fit
the bill quite nicely for the kind of work I am doing at the
present time. There is not doubt that for professionals, PS is the
way to go. But, for the rest of us, PSE affords great utility,
usability, and is cost-effective (IMHO).
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Adam is describing the Levels command. (not autolevels, but accessing the seperate color channels in Levels and adjusting the gamma or midpoint sliders). I keep both PS LE and Elements on my computer if I decide I need Curves or quick mask in LE. Other than these two features, Elements has some useful features like multiple undos, save for web, and can run Ultra Sharpen Pro, an excellent sharpening plug in:
http://www.ultrasharpen.com/

Try the free demo, its very similar to the one published by Fred Miranda which works only on the more advanced versions of PS.
Mike K
Adam2 said:
Blue said:
nicole said:
Hello all.

Can someone please explain the difference between Photoshop 6.0,
LE, and elements? I know there's a price difference, but what can
one do that another can't?

I have 5.0 (upgraded from 4), but I am not too familiar with it.
It seems a bit bulky for me.

Nicole
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Blue
http://www.pbase.com/image/859189
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Ric Blessing said:
And yeah, it seems a good deal of what any of us learn from PS is
sheer accident. It's not the simplist tool out there.
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I agree,

I went to a couple years or schooling and have read maybe a dozen Photoshop books, and really, I learned more insider tricks by accident, or by design actually. In Photoshop, it pays to try every command you see while holding various combinations of the special keys (Cmmd/Option/Shift-Ctrl/Alt/Shift)

It's amazing what the Adobe folks have hidden under the bushes...--Willie G.Kulmbach. GermanyCanon G2- my eyeglasses are from Carl Zeiss - http://www.pbase.com/effzee
 
nicole said:
Most of you have mentioned curves...

Can someone briefly explain to me what this does and why it is
useful? The word 'curves' doesn't bring any self-explanatory
thoughts to mind... this is one reason I find photoshop (along with
illustrator) somewhat challenging. I'm pretty good at sitting down
and learning any software package, but adobe's software is always
more challenging b/c it isn't intuitive (to me anyway).
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http://www.gurusnetwork.com/tutorials/photoshop/curves1.html
 
Thanks for the tip, John. I have PS LE 5.0, and it has most of curves, minus nice touches like the lock on the dropper. I went to this site last night and missed another three hours of sleep reading the tutorial and playing with it. Up to now I have been using auto and manual level adjustment almost exclusively (and I found those by pure accident). Today I shot about fifty nice pictures of the local river with overhanging bare trees and clear, blue winter sky about an hour before sunset. I adjusted all of them with curves and achieved some stunning results.... If I quit reading the forum right now, I may get some sleep tonight for a change.

BT
JohnM said:
nicole said:
Most of you have mentioned curves...

Can someone briefly explain to me what this does and why it is
useful? The word 'curves' doesn't bring any self-explanatory
thoughts to mind... this is one reason I find photoshop (along with
illustrator) somewhat challenging. I'm pretty good at sitting down
and learning any software package, but adobe's software is always
more challenging b/c it isn't intuitive (to me anyway).
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http://www.gurusnetwork.com/tutorials/photoshop/curves1.html
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How does Paint Shop Pro fit in. I've seen a lot of comments on it. I have PSLE and want to try something else. What about PS 5.5?

jo--jmh
 
The process is quite simple really, though it won't work for all actions (those that use features not found in PSE).

1) Copy the action folder into Program Files > Adobe > PSE > Previews > Filters.

2) Next drag and drop a copy of "Original" (a PS image located in the Filters directory-looks like a little sail boat) into the folder containing your action. Make sure you are making a copy and not removing the original "Original".

3) Launch PSE and open the "Original" copy you have just made in your action directory. Rename the layer from "Original" to the same name as your action (.atn) filename. Save and close the file.

4) The action should now be functional and can be found in the filters tab located in the right upper part of the PSE screen. It will not appear on the filters list however (there is a way to make it appear but that is really not necessary). To make the action work on you open photo, just double click on the action's picture in the filters tab or click once and hit the box apply.

As I mentioned, some actions will work, others don't. Unfortunately, it is a trial and error process. I haven't compiled a list of those actions that will work, because many of them must be purchased before one could check compatibility.

If you have any questions, please email me.
daryl liquin said:
Adam2 said:
Ric,

It is not exactly true that you can't create "add-ons" for
Elements. Some actions will work when installed in PSE (you have
to make a small but easy hack to do this) and you can create
"recipes" as well.

You were correct about LE. It does have curves (PSE doesn't but
you can still use the Histogram, which is essentially a 3 point
curve) but lacks the history and can't normally use actions (I
haven't tried to hack it the way you can with PSE). CMYK and LAB
isn't there either.

I had PS4 and really couldn't afford the $300 upgrade. PSE has fit
the bill quite nicely for the kind of work I am doing at the
present time. There is not doubt that for professionals, PS is the
way to go. But, for the rest of us, PSE affords great utility,
usability, and is cost-effective (IMHO).
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I haven't used PSP, simply because I was trained on PS. I have heard some good things about it and suggest that you search out user forums on it. PSLE has some basic functionality but is lacking some essential tools. PS 5.5 is fine if you find it at a reasonable price.

PS 6.0 offers some significant improvements over 5.5 including vector support (for all of the distinctions check out http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/pdfs/PS6NFHS.pdf )
joann said:
How does Paint Shop Pro fit in. I've seen a lot of comments on it.
I have PSLE and want to try something else. What about PS 5.5?

jo
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jmh
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nicole said:
How about this... any Pros out there want to give us a REALLY
BRIEF lesson in the basic functions you use in photoshop? Like red
eye reduction, contrast/brightness, layers (still haven't figured
that one out)...
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Here is a tutorial called "instant photoshop"

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/instant_photoshop.htm
nicole46381 said:
And any suggestions to a good photoshop book?
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I ought to be embarrassed to admit that I liked "Photoshop 6.0 for Dummies," but I did like it.
 
Adam,

what is vector support and why is it significant?

nicole
Adam2 said:
I haven't used PSP, simply because I was trained on PS. I have
heard some good things about it and suggest that you search out
user forums on it. PSLE has some basic functionality but is
lacking some essential tools. PS 5.5 is fine if you find it at a
reasonable price.

PS 6.0 offers some significant improvements over 5.5 including
vector support (for all of the distinctions check out
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/pdfs/PS6NFHS.pdf )
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Think Illustrator/Freehand/Flash. A different type of graphics format. PS- bitmap, pixel based. Like a photograph. Vector is mathematical formula of describing graphic. Like a circle. Different uses. See Adobe site for differences. PS incorporates basic vector support.

Other sites to visit:

http://www.adobeevangelists.com/
http://www.arraich.com/ps_intro.htm
nicole said:
what is vector support and why is it significant?

nicole
Adam2 said:
I haven't used PSP, simply because I was trained on PS. I have
heard some good things about it and suggest that you search out
user forums on it. PSLE has some basic functionality but is
lacking some essential tools. PS 5.5 is fine if you find it at a
reasonable price.

PS 6.0 offers some significant improvements over 5.5 including
vector support (for all of the distinctions check out
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/pdfs/PS6NFHS.pdf )
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And for Elements users-
http://www.arraich.com/elements/psE_intro.htm
Ric Blessing said:
Other sites to visit:

http://www.adobeevangelists.com/
http://www.arraich.com/ps_intro.htm
nicole said:
what is vector support and why is it significant?

nicole
Adam2 said:
I haven't used PSP, simply because I was trained on PS. I have
heard some good things about it and suggest that you search out
user forums on it. PSLE has some basic functionality but is
lacking some essential tools. PS 5.5 is fine if you find it at a
reasonable price.

PS 6.0 offers some significant improvements over 5.5 including
vector support (for all of the distinctions check out
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/pdfs/PS6NFHS.pdf )
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I'm not sure what sort of general software you're using, but Microsoft Powerpoint lets you do vector graphics over bitmaps. I bring this up because so many people have the Office Suite. In my experience, unless you want to use a CAD program, Corel Draw is one of the most powerful vector graphics programs, and of course supports bitmap work very well through it's associated PhotoPaint.

Bob
Ric Blessing said:
Other sites to visit:

http://www.adobeevangelists.com/
http://www.arraich.com/ps_intro.htm
nicole said:
what is vector support and why is it significant?

nicole
Adam2 said:
I haven't used PSP, simply because I was trained on PS. I have
heard some good things about it and suggest that you search out
user forums on it. PSLE has some basic functionality but is
lacking some essential tools. PS 5.5 is fine if you find it at a
reasonable price.

PS 6.0 offers some significant improvements over 5.5 including
vector support (for all of the distinctions check out
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/pdfs/PS6NFHS.pdf )
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Bob Topp said:
Bob
Ric Blessing said:
Other sites to visit:

http://www.adobeevangelists.com/
http://www.arraich.com/ps_intro.htm
nicole said:
what is vector support and why is it significant?

nicole
Adam2 said:
I haven't used PSP, simply because I was trained on PS. I have
heard some good things about it and suggest that you search out
user forums on it. PSLE has some basic functionality but is
lacking some essential tools. PS 5.5 is fine if you find it at a
reasonable price.

PS 6.0 offers some significant improvements over 5.5 including
vector support (for all of the distinctions check out
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/pdfs/PS6NFHS.pdf )
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