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silkypix 3 vs hyperutility vs acr (pics)

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Great post!

What Raw plugin are you using in your CS2 ?
It has been updated several times from it's orignal release.

Fotomat
 
It seems that Silkypix is loosing some data at larger details, but can render very fine details better than ACR. The following illustration is from a half-body RAW capture with Fuji S3.



and zooming in 200%



Although when comparing result of that resolution chart conversion, silkypix is a 100% winner, the real-life picture illustration above makes this colclusion controvercial

Michael Ezra
http://www.michaelezra.com
 
From what I'm seeing it looks like the original image is a bit on the soft side? (I'm accustomed to shooting raw on D70, so it just might be my eyes.) I presume you used 12mp mode with the highest DR?

It also looks like Silkypix is doing A LOT more noise reduction than the ACR. That might be a part of the answer to lost details. Could it be possible to lessen the NR on it and see how it turns out?

Janne Mankila
 
All noise reduction was turned off in Silkypix. In Photoshop, however, I had to use some Color noise reduction to minimise moire. Image was shot with in RAW Wide, developed to 12 MP using both converters.
 
Michael Ezra said:
All noise reduction was turned off in Silkypix.
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I guess they want to live up to the name :) Too bad, because the Silkypix converted one seemed almost artificial.. A feature found on just about every wedding portrait, I might add.
Michael Ezra said:
In Photoshop,
however, I had to use some Color noise reduction to minimise moire.
Image was shot with in RAW Wide, developed to 12 MP using both
converters.
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12mp explains the "softness". It looked nice, though.

Janne Mankila
 
Michael Ezra said:
It seems that Silkypix is loosing some data at larger details, but
can render very fine details better than ACR. The following
illustration is from a half-body RAW capture with Fuji S3.



and zooming in 200%



Although when comparing result of that resolution chart conversion,
silkypix is a 100% winner, the real-life picture illustration above
makes this colclusion controvercial
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Couldn't be a matter of contrast?

I mean: different contrast settings, like the radius for example, could show more details at certain frequencies.

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contrast values certainly have an impact on detail rendering - it also affects other in-program features that take their cues from detail characteristics

have been doing some testing too and find the silkypix free version stands up very well to acr on 5d files
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Coolpixboy

Thanks for posting this!

I am somewhat confused over the release version #. The Japanese site you linked to shows a release 3 but the English site indicates the release # is 2.0... for a late Sep 2006.

Can you expand on the version # issue. Also, is there any history/expectation that this SW would be released with an English GUI?

Much thanks
JohnG
coolpixboy said:
Bernie Ess said:
I keep hearing great things about it, but I did not find a link to
download it.

Is there a place where it can be found?
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Its a japanese beta so the whole UI is in japanese, but you can
download it here:

http://www2.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/japanese/download/form/dl_productwin.html
coolpixboy said:
Bernie
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Fuji S3, Nikon D50 + a lot of Nikon glass.
 
That's probably due to the "Dev. Precision" parameter and its un-optimal default value :



(200% crops in 12 Mpx mode)

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Rémi
 
Johnnymg2 said:
Coolpixboy

Thanks for posting this!

I am somewhat confused over the release version #. The Japanese
site you linked to shows a release 3 but the English site indicates
the release # is 2.0... for a late Sep 2006.
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If you look at the release info file at their site, you see clearly that the 2.xxx English version is the old 2.0 that has only updated camera model support:

[SEP/12/2006 Ver2.0.24.0]
  • New support: Canon EOS Kiss Digital X / Digital Rebel XTi / 400D
  • New support: Panasonic DMC-LX2, DMC-FZ50
more here:
http://www.isl.co.jp/SILKYPIX/english/download/releasewin.html
Johnnymg2 said:
Can you expand on the version # issue. Also, is there any
history/expectation that this SW would be released with an English
GUI?
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I assume they will in time, no idea when... If you volunteer to be the translator it might happen in a week, who knows;-)

I do not know a word of Japanese but I will try if I can use the Japanese version;-) I need to re-convert some files and the SilkyPix 3.0 beta seems the way to go... (damn, do I need to convert all of the files again... in worst case that might be the case here)

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Osku
 
Michael Ezra said:
It seems that Silkypix is loosing some data at larger details, but
can render very fine details better than ACR. The following
illustration is from a half-body RAW capture with Fuji S3.

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No, that is not the case. ACR uses different curve for the conversion. If you apply my S-curve number 5 (create a curve with 0,0; 63,63; 127,127; 191,191; 255,255 and then displace the 63,63 and 191,191 both 5+5 keystrokes with arrow keys to create a slight curved "letter-s") you will see that the detail is there, just the conversion curve is different. Not a problem for me since I use curves anyway... (ok, perhaps I need to create single change curves from 8-20 too, instead of my current 1-8,10,12).

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Osku
 
coolpixboy said:
I finally did a quick comparison using default settings on all the
converters (except custom WB) and Ichikawa Software's own test
chart:

Full size images and crops here:

http://www.ishspace.homechoice.co.uk/

crops:

ACR



Hyperutility



Silkypix 3



The results speak for themselves. I'm very impressed with silkypix
and am waiting eagerly for the english version.
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Hi coolpixboy, can i have the images was here and maybe later are been deleted?
I would see them.Thx.

Regards
P.S.
But there is an option for convert dynamic range in spatial frequence?
Or is all AUTO mode? (obvuisly i'm speajing about Silky)

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Quality is not subjective..
 
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