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Seems odd that you wanted the original thread deleted and start yet another one on the same subject !!!

Damkader said:

But to be honest. I still don't see what the big deal is to have
the local store readjust the purchase date so i can qualify for
about $700 or so in rebates.

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I'm not sure but, would'nt that be the same as asking your bookie to change a lottery number to your advantage?

You simply do not fit in the rebate scheme with having purchased your 5D outside a given date range. Live with it.

Greed is good. It amazes me all of the normally conservitive people saying this is wrong when the very concept of a free market economy (most conseritives like the free market economy concept) is "GREED IS GOOD". It is about maximizing the bottom line. This means your bottom line and the bottom line of your company for share-holders.

1. The OP is playing above board.

2. The OP has full disclosure with the store.

3. The OP is working with published information.

4. The OP is not breaking any laws.

There is no fraud or deceipt here people. None. Zip. Ziltch. It amazes me the number of people playing holy-than-thow on this one.

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Damkader said:

Yesterday i posted this thread. Titled "A reason not to buy from B&H"

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=20292429

Please do NOT NOT NOT respond to it.

I want it to die a slow and horrible death or at least get bumped
to the second page. Where it will get lost in the muck that is the
DPR archives.

I truely wish i could delete this thread that is why i am posting
this thread.

One thing that on the does bother me is that people call me
unethical and immoral, scam artist and the like. Not that the
words bother be so much. But i am a firm beleiver we need to live
by the rules that society set upon us. When in Rome do as the
Romans do. And as where the photographic society is concerned i
want to live by the general morals that is set upon us as
photographers.

An Example

About a year ago I returned an unopened Canon copier ($600) to
Office Depot because the next day when at Costco they had the the
EXACT same copier for $200 Less.

What i do want to know is why everyone so uniformily dislikes the
ability of me as a shopper to be able to return a product within
the alloted time period and specifications of the return policy (No
phisical signs of use and 200 maximum shutter actuations.. So that
i can qualify for a rebate offered by Canon.

Can anyone give me a good reason as to why this is WRONG.
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What you talked about is not unethical, especially since you were straight up with the store. I think it is much worse for people to buy 3 lenses and then return two of them because there is some tiny, tiny difference between them in sharpness... causing the seller to now be stuck with two "returned" lenses to unload.

The real problem is that the stores have more and more ridiculous policies. The whole rebate thing in and of itself is a seller vs. buyer scam in the first place. The whole reason they do them is that they know they can trip up some buyers and not have to pay them their rebate. Canon takes it a step further and introduces their own "mistakes" that seem to always happen and cause me not to get the whole advertised rebate.

Most retailers now will honor a price match for a period of time, and if there policy forces you to bring the item in and return it, then buy it again, so that you can get the rebate... that is really not your problem to fix.

I'd love to know what percentage of people that bashed you in the other thread, would have no problem buying something to play with it, try it out, or test... then return it... costing the seller real $$$.

The thing you were guilty of was labeling your thread in a way that it appeared you were trying to discredit B&H... and so that brought out all the B&H supporters to come to their defense. Beyond that, I don't really see anything wrong with what you are talking about. It is pretty common practice for stores to make you go through a bunch of hoops to get something that they advertise they'll give you... i.e. a price match. They created the whole problem with rebates in the first place.
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B&H link on return policy.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home ;jsessionid=FvG2gnXlJJ!1051679615?O=RootPage.jsp&A=getpage&Q=HelpCenter/ReturnExchange.jsp

relevent part of return & exchange policy copied here

Return period:

14 days
for photo equipment, except as listed below.

7 days
for video, audio, home theater, digital equipment & related accessories.

Items with timers must show
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I have heard that only canon service center can do this accuratly.
But I imagine that they put in a blank CF card and see what the file number is.
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in this thread.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=20270384

Paul Cheang said:

3) I don't want anyone's opened good. When I paid for new camera,
I want "new" not "New with 200 actuation". When I buy a new car, I
don't want a "New with 500 miles on it". However, if I bought as
opened item then I know what I am paying for.

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...This is another reason why I don't like what was attempted here by the OP. If I knew that someone returned my 5D under this kind of circumstance before it was purchased by me for full price as new, I'd be more than a little upset about it. I inspected mine very carefully when it arrived from Onecall.com and it 'looked' like the box had never been opened and the inner packaging looked undisturbed as well. With these shenanigans going on though, who knows whether it's really true sometimes.

Return policy for any store states that a consumer, once received their package is entitled to an X amount of time to return the merchandise (whether its for a refund, exhange, etc). The X amount of time (14 days, 1 week, 30 days, whatever) is the amount of time the items are in your possession, not the amount of time you actually used it.

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Damkader said:

One thing that on the does bother me is that people call me
unethical and immoral, scam artist and the like. Not that the
words bother be so much. But i am a firm beleiver we need to live
by the rules that society set upon us. When in Rome do as the
Romans do.

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If I were you I would shut up.

Your last sentence above is revealing. You should be ethical independently of geography. If you are in X and the locals behave unethically, you should not, just because you are in X.

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Rock Lee said:

Return policy for any store states that a consumer, once received
their package is entitled to an X amount of time to return the
merchandise (whether its for a refund, exhange, etc). The X amount
of time (14 days, 1 week, 30 days, whatever) is the amount of time
the items are in your possession, not the amount of time you
actually used it.

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I got a great local deal on a used 5D about a week ago. And though i love the camera I have no intention to buy another one.

I just ask this this question because i was curious as to how my local camera store would respond to a situation like this, knowing they have a 2 week return policy or that is what they tell all their customers whenever i am there.

I am just surprised by most everyones visceral reactions to clearly following my rights as a customer to return an item that i am not satisfied with (due to price). Obviously I would not have a problem with them denying my refund because i

1) Returned it in an unsellable condition
2) Returned it past their stated return period.

And if i did do one of these things that might jeopordize my right to return a product. that would clearly be SOL as you have stated
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if you bought it to use, planning to return it from the start. Say like a dress or suit for a party, prom, etc. If you buy something only to discover that the price dropped considerably the next day (or rebates were suddenly offered), you'd be nutz not to return it. Again, if the item hasn't been used.

No where did i ever state that I wanted to basically use the 5D for free and "Abuse" the refund policy so that i would get free use of a 5D for a week or so.

Basically i am saying that if were to have bought a 5D not knowing of the rebates and subsequently found out about this rebate, within the the parameters of the return policy (

I am just saying that it would be easier to do this with a local vendor than a large online vendor like b&h because you might be able to use the product in the mean time and just have the local store "adjust" the invoice, and therefore NOT have to pass on a used 5D onto the next guy that buys it.

No where do i suggest that i would simply exchange the camera for a "never touched one." And that was not my implication. I don't think that is right either.

But that is what b&h's policy would force the buyer to do. Return a product that was opened and possibly used.

Not that i blame b&h for this policy as if i were in their situation i would not change it either. If b&h's employees were able to change dates of invoices that would just introduce too many element where employees might be able to steal goods from them.

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Damkader said:

I am just saying that it would be easier to do this with a local
vendor than a large online vendor like b&h because you might be
able to use the product in the mean time and just have the local
store "adjust" the invoice, and therefore NOT have to pass on a
used 5D onto the next guy that buys it.

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.......So you just want what you want and either someone has to falsify an invoice or you're going to saddle some other camera buyer with a 'slightly' used 5D when they're likely assuming that it's new which will be their problem but too bad because you really want to score that $600 rebate.............sigh

....A few others have already cautioned you to stop trying to explain away what you're trying to do here. Sounds like very good advice.

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I ask this because you are not stating what the OP has said.

Tim in upstate NY said:

Damkader wrote:

.......So you just want what you want and either someone has to
falsify an invoice or you're going to saddle some other camera

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There has been NO indication of falsifying an invoice except in your own mind. What he (the OP) wants to do is buy the camera. Return it within the stores return policy on the 15th and immediately buy it back. The SAME EXACT CAMERA. The only thing that happens is the store gets their money 14 days early. Either way, Canon pays the rebate (the OP simply waits to purchase).

Tim in upstate NY said:

buyer with a 'slightly' used 5D when they're likely assuming that

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What other buyer is going to get a "slightly" used 5D? This is where you are failing to read what the OP said and substitute your own reality into the equation.

Tim in upstate NY said:

it's new which will be their problem but too bad because you really
want to score that $600 rebate.............sigh

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Except the OP ends up with the slightly used camera. This is EXACTLY what other posters recommended here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=20270384

and there is NO moral outrage on this posting.

Tim in upstate NY said:

....A few others have already cautioned you to stop trying to
explain away what you're trying to do here. Sounds like very good
advice.

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Not to me. Sounds like self righteous advice to me.

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and now I have a second chance to do it.

you were facing the best of the hypocrisy there is: everybody does it but they don't tell? This doesn't necessarely means that they are entitled to scream to the "horror" in here, with words and (like I said) hypocrisy.