No they apparently make nothing clear to you, or you wouldn't allege such a nonsense.
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4" LCDs in compact cameras - SLRs behind once again
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No, it's mentality like this that will some day give you a whole new control concept beyond that primitive early 1980s 4 bit CPU semi-automatic and button controlled modes.
For example with a small analog joystick that lets you literally push exposure and aperture down or up and to different ratios. Current Av/Tv etc. is so cumbersome that I don't even bother with it, I haven't shot a single photo I wanted to keep without the full manual mode.
1970s SLRs are far better for manual setup because they have they have big, easy to use controls for the important parameters and nothing else.
DSLRs on the other hand are already much more "digicam-like" than you want to admit. Already what used to be the exposure time dial on top is a joke now with M/Av/Tv/scene modes on it. I want the proper function of the dial back, or away with it. No aperture ring on the lens is also a pain.
My opinion is, either do it the right way, the way it used to be with fully manual SLRs, or come up with a completely new concept (and I could think of several). But what we have now is what we like to call neither meat nor fish here.
Kendall Helmstetter Gelner
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The thing is these screens have different uses.
On many compact cameras you need these screens because they are your means of framing and focus. They need to be large because you rely on them so heavily for an overall view of picture quality.
For DSLRs however you rely on the viewfinder for critical framing and focus details. The LCD is used only to review and to examine fine detail, which means zooming in no matter if you have a 4" or a 2.5" screen.
Thus makers conserve cost and battery life by including smaller screens.
Furthermore, where is there room on any DSLR for a 4" video screen - it seems to me that would move the location of some crucial camera controls which are also vital to the DSLR user.
If anything I would prefer higher pixel density over a larger screen.
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That you don't take action shots. Cut the BS, those are your words, and you said it reference to someone who did, and what's the beef? I've been very, VERY fair with you. The most you can do is call people luddites because they disagree with your ideas of a giant super VGA monitor, and to hell with ergonomics. You don't NEED ergonomics because you don't take shots which require quick changes.
Well, Mr. "alledge such nonsense," ergonomics is a recent discovery in terms of science. It's the lastest "craze" and if you don't like ergonomics, too bad. I do, it's my bread and butter.
Dave
I shoot completely manual. The only concession I make is that from time to time I will glance at the light meter. I switch speeds on the fly, and when needed switch aperture on the fly.
And I change ISO on the fly. And I don't need some monitor screwing up my ability to do these things. I have nothing against AF and AE and other aspects of my camers and USE them when my lens can use them.
Dave
CharlieDIY
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I beleive you stated at least once that you don't shoot "anything fast", so those who do have a tendency to think you don't understand their needs, which center around an easily handled camera, rather than a large afterview.
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CharlieDIY
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I shoot mostly manual, too, but, in fact, I think bionet is a troll. He' sjust looking for a response so he can present another off-center view, another statement that we should follow his lead, regardless of whether or not it seems workable to us. If not, we're Luddites or fools or whatever he feels down on at the moment.
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Why does the screen have to be VGA, i no i only use my LCD to check the menus and maybe just maybe check the composition of an image, i simply dont need a larger screen than my EOS300D/DRebel has now, i just cant see the point of a larger higher res screen that is used for menus and the odd image review. Espcially if it impacts negatively on the ergonomics of my camera by making buttons smaller and more tightly grouped together. Just my two cents worth in this discussion
Jay Turberville
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That's interesting. I find myself in much the same boat when I try to explain to many DSLR users how useful I find a tilt/swivel LCD. I understand they don't use a camera like I do. But they don't seem to understand that a scheme other than what they are used to has advantages.There is a limited benefit for having a larger LCD, but losing the
ergonomics is a nightmare for me to even contemplate.
Either way, I feel fairly confident that we'll get more versatility and more options over time. Some DSLRs will get bigger screens - but few will probably get as large as 4". And many will stay at 2.5" or smaller.
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Yes I do that every shoot. If the LCD was larger I could use auto-rotate.
I don't know when the 5D battery grip runs out. I've never exhausted it. Double weddings don't move the full meter. I would trade changing batteries occasionally for a better LCD.
echelon2004
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If so most users of the c8080 do something wrong
Think of it as bumping the power in the BMW M3 from 346 to 440.
It is really not needed, but it is not bad either, and for some it makes the car more interesting. It is good engineering. It makes for an excellent engine. But it is still only marketing, the need for 440 hp doesn't come from the weight of the car, it comes from the latest competitors models.
Same thing with the LCD sizes I reckon...
On a dslr I don't think it hurts much since you don't need to use the lcd very much unless you want to.
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LesDMess
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. . . as they check to see if they got the picture after mashing the shutter while DSLRs users in general know how to get proper exposure and only chimp for histogram.
echelon2004
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your shots on site, even without zooming in?
I don't think I've ever done that. I do check histograms sometimes and at least once every 1000 shots I zoom in to check focus=)
For the rest of the checking I prefer to wait until I have them loaded in the computer.
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Anders
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I don't think I've ever done that. I do check histograms sometimes and at least once every 1000 shots I zoom in to check focus=)
For the rest of the checking I prefer to wait until I have them loaded in the computer.
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Anders
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Cultured Vulture
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Not much empty space on the back of my D200. Certainly not enough for a 4" LCD. To your other point, if I wanted a lot of presets ala the D50/D70, I would have gone for them or a point and shoot. I would prefer to make the decisions for my photography as opposed to the camera's computer.No, there is just one consideration, and that one is economic.
Manufacturers know they can get away with it, so they do it.
Much of the space is simply empty and it would obviously be easy to
integrate a 4" LCD on the larger models. Do you seriously think
they'll stop at 2.5" because of ergonomic reasons? Are you working
for Canon or something?
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echelon2004
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diversity is a good thing so I hope we'll keep the number of different cameras we have now, with a few extras thrown into the mix.
Besides, I hope to find out one day where they would manage to put a 4 inch LCD on a normal sized DSLR=)
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Anders
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Besides, I hope to find out one day where they would manage to put a 4 inch LCD on a normal sized DSLR=)
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Anders
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Jay has convinced me that in some photographic situations a larger monitor will be handy to some photographers.
Nor does the issue of power seem that important to me. If I was shooting with my D1x, I would of course go bonkers...
Used to carry five batteries, without ever looking at the LCD...
But this guy has the annoying habit of cutting and snipping away my argument, leaving one out of context sentence, calling me a Luddite because I disagree with him, denying what he said in previous posts.
I'm not exactly known on these boards as Mr. Diplomatic, but I'm trying to be a good boy, and I'm afraid I've run out of patience...
I really don't care about the monitor as long as it doesn't mess up the ergonomics, and a four inch monitor? Where are they going to put the controls? Special overhead dashboard?
So Bionet tells us we'regoing to have a joystick. Is this part of his monitor deal?
I shoot with my eye inside the eye cup, and I let my fingers change settings without even looking at what I'm doing. I take sequences, and change on the fly. Anyone who does sports, wildlife, or journalism will often do the same. These and other groups will lynch Bionet on sight...
Just a rant; yeah, he's some sort of Troll, not for his ideas, but the way he defends them.
Nor does the issue of power seem that important to me. If I was shooting with my D1x, I would of course go bonkers...
Used to carry five batteries, without ever looking at the LCD...
But this guy has the annoying habit of cutting and snipping away my argument, leaving one out of context sentence, calling me a Luddite because I disagree with him, denying what he said in previous posts.
I'm not exactly known on these boards as Mr. Diplomatic, but I'm trying to be a good boy, and I'm afraid I've run out of patience...
I really don't care about the monitor as long as it doesn't mess up the ergonomics, and a four inch monitor? Where are they going to put the controls? Special overhead dashboard?
So Bionet tells us we'regoing to have a joystick. Is this part of his monitor deal?
I shoot with my eye inside the eye cup, and I let my fingers change settings without even looking at what I'm doing. I take sequences, and change on the fly. Anyone who does sports, wildlife, or journalism will often do the same. These and other groups will lynch Bionet on sight...
Just a rant; yeah, he's some sort of Troll, not for his ideas, but the way he defends them.
Lots. Most often before my clients show up.
I wish there was a way to auto-rotate after a shoot is finished. Auto-rotate while shooting turns the pictures sideways during review and makes the screen small. Another feature dSLRs don't have.
Digital costs too much for me to shoot like film.
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