Bridgeport report: Some pretty good info.

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So this morning I braved the rain and drove up to the Bridgeport Discovery Museum for their "Tech Fest". It was a fun little, and I do mean little, show, maybe 10-15 small setups. I cant even call them booths. Couple of card tables and a banner above. But it was nice because it was uncrowded and you could get to talk to the people on a personal basis. As a New Yorker I miss that. On the digital photography front there was only Pentax and Canon represented. Panasonic was there too, but they didn't have much in the way of digital photography. I got to talk to John C. at length. I got to play with 2!!! K10D's one with the vertical grip and one without. I was surprised that the one with the vertical grip felt very comfortable, I was expecting it to be kinda big and bulky, but it wasn't. I'm sure 'youse guys' want to hear more about what John C. (the JohnCPentax in the forum here) said than about how I tried not to drool over the K10, I'll get right to it.
1. Sensor is made by Sony

2. You can carry a second battery in the grip and in the menu chose between body battery first, grip battery first or auto (the camera picks the battery with the most charge

3. On why there are no sample images. John said that all the show gear was assembled before some crucial decisions had been finalized about the camera. Not only is the firmware beta but the demo cameras have beta mainboards in them too. Pentax was testing out 4 different versions of the mainboard when the logistical planning for the shows was taking place. The production cameras will have a different mainboard than the demo cameras, therefore no sample images. The mainboard is now finialized however.

4. Production has started on the camera. From what John said, I get the impression that they are getting together all the various subassemblies; mainboard, optics, frame, bodyskin etc. I don't think final assembly has started yet, but I could have misunderstood John. If I have, I apologise.

5. Camera is creating a BIG BUZZ. He mentioned that B&H alone have ordered 1000. John said that the Canon guys at the show came by the booth more than once, ostensibly to check out other stuff by their eyes always went to the K10D :D

6. Weather seals. I specifically asked John about taking the K10D sailing. He said the camera and sealed lenses would handle spray with no problem but major splashing coud cause problems. He mentioned several times that it is weather resistant not weather proof. Rain would not be a problem but a tropical downpour might be.

7. Lenses: We talked a long time about lenses. He said the FA 50mm 1.4 is still in production as is the 77 ltd. (I'm sorry, but I forgot to ask about the other two FA ltd's) He said that Pentax was surprised at the lens sales generated by the K10D announcement and that is a big part of the reason for the shortages now. They are increasing production so the local shortages should be eliminated soon. He also said that they will be discontinuing the silver 77ltd and making only the black one. Again the current shortages of the black 77ltd should be a allieviated in the near future. I got the impression that their new factory is ramping up as fast as possible and many current lens shortages "should" soon be a thing of the past. Operating word here being, of course, "should". I told him that I wanted both the K10D and the 77ltd. But couldn't afford both. He told me to get the K10D, and the the 77ltd would be in production for some time yet. Good news.

8. I asked John specifically about new long primes. He basically said they are on the roadmap, but the roadmap istself is not carved in stone yet. I got the idea that a new long prime might not come by until late 2007 or later. From what he said I wouldn't hold my breath for a long prime anytime soon.

Well that's about all I can remember. Sorry for the length of the post but I wanted to be sure I included everything I could remember. I will say the K10D is a beauty. I had previously made the decision to get the 77ltd and hold off on the K10D. Now I'm going to have to rethink that decision.

east(or maybe just go rob a bank ;) )saltwater
 
The K10D has an incredible capacity to adjust WB. In custom WB not only can you adjust color temperatures you want to be in the display, but you can also adjust WB right in camera by using the 4way ring and individually adjust the color on the LCD. It was pretty cool playing with it.

east(but then again I shoot raw most of the time...)saltwater
 
6. Weather seals. I specifically asked John about taking the K10D
sailing. He said the camera and sealed lenses would handle spray
with no problem but major splashing coud cause problems. He
mentioned several times that it is weather resistant not weather
proof. Rain would not be a problem but a tropical downpour might be.
Thanks. Terrific question, at least for those of us that are sailors. I spend lots of time sailing on Galveston Bay on my Catalina 30. I've been especially careful with my DS2 and haven't used it when the wind pipes up and a reef is in the main because of worry about spray. I'll feel more comfortable with a K10D, although my lenses will be problematic. I wasn't planning on buying any more lenses past a DA 70; maybe I'll have to change my mind (but I'll not be telling my wife at this point).

Where do you sail?

Jerry
 
First, let me say, "Thanks for sharing the valuable info."
So this morning I braved the rain and drove up to the Bridgeport
Discovery Museum for their "Tech Fest". It was a fun little, and I
do mean little, show, maybe 10-15 small setups. I cant even call
them booths. Couple of card tables and a banner above. But it was
nice because it was uncrowded and you could get to talk to the
people on a personal basis.
See, every (rain) cloud has a silver lining. Lucky you.
I was surprised that the one with the vertical grip felt
very comfortable, I was expecting it to be kinda big and bulky, but
it wasn't.
I felt so too when I held one in hand; good ergonomic design.
C. (the JohnCPentax in the forum here) said than about how I tried
not to drool over the K10,
I'm with you. Since I had rarely seen such an appealing DSLR for years, I was dazzled when I saw the camera at hand.
4. Production has started on the camera. From what John said, I get
the impression that they are getting together all the various
subassemblies; mainboard, optics, frame, bodyskin etc. I don't
think final assembly has started yet, but I could have
misunderstood John. If I have, I apologise.
I just hope the final assembly will not be delayed due to recall of Sony batteries.
5. Camera is creating a BIG BUZZ. He mentioned that B&H alone have
ordered 1000.
It's understandable in light of many back-orders of K100D all over the world in the past.
6. Weather seals. I specifically asked John about taking the K10D
sailing. He said the camera and sealed lenses would handle spray
with no problem but major splashing coud cause problems.
Yes, it's a bit pity. For, sailing is often accompanied with major splashing even if you board a big boat. Pentax Optio WP, water proof P&S, would be useful in such a case.
He also said that they will be discontinuing the silver 77ltd
and making only the black one.
It's also a pity. I love silver versions make me sense texture of solid metal. But it's a wise move of Pentax in light of production centralization.
Well that's about all I can remember. Sorry for the length of the
post but I wanted to be sure I included everything I could
remember.
No need to apologize. You've just reported your experience and John's remarks in vivid detail. Again, thanks!
I will say the K10D is a beauty.
I agree; it's such a beauty.
The K10D has an incredible capacity to adjust WB. .....
It was pretty cool playing with it.
I bet. Especially a lot of jpeg shooters would appreciate it.

Regards,

Susumu
 
Thank you.

Can you describe the feel of the camera w/o the vertical grip. Length wise I know it is comparable to the D70S, but lower and narrower.

Is there another DSLR that you can compare it as per size and grip.

Thanks much

Mike
 
Yeah, I think that for the most part sailing on bigger boats 30+ feet shouldn't be much of a problem, if it really starts to blow you can always stow the camera below. Just watch out for those rogue waves! I do my sailing (when I can :( ) on Long Island Sound.

east(but I hope to retire to Maine eventually)saltwater
 
Well the only other digital camera I've handled extensively is the DS, it's a fair bit bigger than that, but it still doesn't feel bulky in any way. In fact my DS felt a bit "small" after handling the K10 for so long! I think what impressed me the most is that the camera felt very "balanced" but it had the 70mm pancake on it. I'm sure that the different lenses will change the balance a bit, but it still felt comfortable. The one thing about the non grip K10D was that it seemed easier to get the horizon straight on it.

I also forgot to add in my main report that Pentax will be coming out with a new viewfinder with grid lines and hash marks on it to help with the dreaded camera tilt.

east(I do that more times than I care to admit)saltwater
 
That is so simple and so brilliant!! According to my limited knowledge, there aren't any other cameras out there with this superb feature, or are there any?
I also forgot to add in my main report that Pentax will be coming
out with a new viewfinder with grid lines and hash marks on it to
help with the dreaded camera tilt.

east(I do that more times than I care to admit)saltwater
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Good to know that there are other sailors in the family. I have a Najade 9000, a 9.5 meter sloop ( 30 feet). Lived aboard for 12 years before I got married. Sail out of Ventura, California. That boat is an overkill for these peaceful waters. The Najade 9000 was built for the North Sea. Constructed in Bremen, Germany in 1971; fiberglass so thick that the thing probably weights twice what a Catalina 30 does. Haven't a clue how one made its way to Southern California. Went through the canal at one time in its life.

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The one thing about the non grip K10D
was that it seemed easier to get the horizon straight on it.
I also forgot to add in my main report that Pentax will be coming
out with a new viewfinder with grid lines and hash marks on it to
help with the dreaded camera tilt.
That's another huge benefit in favor of the K10D in my opinion. Getting the horizon tilted in landscapes is notoriously common. I've been wondering why no camera manufacturer has ever thought of putting grids into viewfinders. This is the first that I know of anyway. Go Pentax!
Thanks for good posts!
 
This is drifting a bit off-topic but since the question has come up in this thread ...

What's the risk to DSLR's from general dampness on a boat? I don't mean direct splashing or rain, I mean everyday living. Things can get thoroughly damp on a boat at times, often for days on end. Can cameras cope with this?

Also laptops ... can they withstand the dampness?

I'm asking because live-aboard is something I'm considering, and all my sailing experience predates my camera and computer usage.

Thanks.
 
Nikon cameras have been using on-demand grid lines from back the N80 (film), so is not a new issue around here. What is impressive is that Pentax is not holding any feature for another level camera. They are putting everything in the K10D. I wonder how they manage to keep the size small.

Wow, I'm impressed.
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I don't know about cameras. But I do have a liveaboard friend who has a laptop that has lasted for about 18 months so far, but he keeps it in a rather tightly sealed drawer with those silica jel dessicant packs. Just be sure you have LOTS of contact cleaner

east(salt air and electronics aren't friendly)saltwater
 
Nikon cameras have been using on-demand grid lines from back the
N80 (film), so is not a new issue around here. What is impressive
is that Pentax is not holding any feature for another level camera.
They are putting everything in the K10D. I wonder how they manage
to keep the size small.

Wow, I'm impressed.
Impressed here as well, I just bought a new DS 2 months ago and I should have waited! but wiht all the features that is going into the K10d, will Pentax have trouble selling a higher model? I mean it won't be so easy, since they can only add so many other features. Maybe more fps, more raw , even better IQ, better SR?, bigger sensor?
 
Good report. Thanks.

"4. Production has started on the camera. From what John said, I get the impression that they are getting together all the various subassemblies; mainboard, optics, frame, bodyskin etc. I don't think final assembly has started yet, but I could have misunderstood John. If I have, I apologise."

We have been given availability dates ranging from late October to mid November. Is there any way that Pentax can have cameras available this soon if assembly has not started, or has only now started?

I don't know whether this is unusual. Maybe other cameras also came together at the last minute. But programmers, assemblers, suppliers, and everyone else must be feeling a lot of last-minute pressure. This continues to worry me.

This camera has been known about for a long time, and Pentax showed the prototype early this year. Why is it only coming together at the last minute?

Joe
 

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