BoyOhBoy
Senior Member
I thought that it was your firm opinion that the act of posting a picture here does not constitute an invitation to critique, even as a means of extracting retribution for perceived wrongs....
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The 85/1.4 makes clients cry...
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SteveDoubleU
Leading Member
I don't recall him asking for a crit Frank. Once again the claws come out when things aren't kind to your huge ego. I'm glad that everyone isn't fooled by your BS.
My photography make people cry too, but I suspect it's for a different reason.....
Sharp images, but that's a really great job of posing people. I'm guessing your portraits would look good with a cell phone.
Really like the shots. Please email me some of your talent, thanks in advance.....
Sharp images, but that's a really great job of posing people. I'm guessing your portraits would look good with a cell phone.
Really like the shots. Please email me some of your talent, thanks in advance.....
Well I gotta say Uncle Frank, your posts sure are entertaing, exhibliraitng and exhausting. This reminds me of the last thread about the hghlights - who weee.
Anyway, bottomline is that this is an SLR forum and you offered technical examples of the 85 1.4mm lens in action which is how it should be done. Morevoer, you did not ask for a critique. Simple.
gk
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'I'm not as smart today as I will be tomorrow.'
Anyway, bottomline is that this is an SLR forum and you offered technical examples of the 85 1.4mm lens in action which is how it should be done. Morevoer, you did not ask for a critique. Simple.
gk
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'I'm not as smart today as I will be tomorrow.'
Jorge Barrantes
Leading Member
Actually, here are some terrific samples of what the 85mm F/1.4 can really do, ....... and (thankfully) without any mushy stories.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1030&thread=20250399
Very nice shots. I have the 85 1.4 and the 90mm Tokina (whcih also has macro) on my list but can't decide between the two whcih to get. Thankfully there is no money for that at the moment so I don't have to decide yet.
gk
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'I'm not as smart today as I will be tomorrow.'
gk
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'I'm not as smart today as I will be tomorrow.'
If UF posted this just to share his experience with his client's reaction (which I think is the case) then people can just comment and NOT CRITIC.
But if UF's intention is to share his pictures for critics (which I don't think this is what he has in mind), then it is a fair game for criticism-both positive and negative-and UF should take them to be constructive criticisms. People always have room to learn so learn whatever new you can from the critics and put aside the ones you already know.
I have taken pictures that make people "wow" but personally think I can do much better.
But if UF's intention is to share his pictures for critics (which I don't think this is what he has in mind), then it is a fair game for criticism-both positive and negative-and UF should take them to be constructive criticisms. People always have room to learn so learn whatever new you can from the critics and put aside the ones you already know.
I have taken pictures that make people "wow" but personally think I can do much better.
Paul.R.Lindqvist
Senior Member
Its a public forum, people need to realize that. So those who only want praise and a pat on their back should state that in their subject line or opening post. BUT still its public forum, noone will enforce these "rules" that some of you want to apply.
(name calling and personal attacks has nothing to do with honest critique)
Kindest
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Paul L.
Couldn't agree more.
Uncle Frank
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Paul, let me set this straight. I don't have a problem with critiques, positive or negative. I just take umbrage when people hijack my thread, claim to be gurus, and then give technically bad advice.
When someone offers a critique, I usually ask them to provde an example of their own making. The reason this thread went astray is that a self appointed guru blew his top when I critiqued HIS sample.
You've always been willing to back up your comments with wonderful pictures of your own making, so feel free to critique anything I post. But those without portfolios should be aware that I will challenge them to back up their claims of mastery, and will offer my honest opinions about their samples.
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Warm regards, Uncle Frank
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Galleries at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank
Paul.R.Lindqvist
Senior Member
But alot of your "friends" seems to have a problem with people saying something diffrent then "great job UF" It was not directed to you, i was simply adressing the people who think no one should be allowed to critique a image, unless the op asked for it.
Yes Steve in this thread got personal and his advice (imo) wasnt all that good to begin with.
Here is where we agree, to disagree
, In my opinion can anyone critique a image even though they might not be able to reproduce it. I still value it, offcourse ill value it even more if the person giving it have a example to prove his point even more.Thanx for the compliment though.
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Paul L.
Good point on the above, just because one does not provide an image, does not mean the observation is invalid. Or the other way around either !Here is where we agree, to disagree
critique a image even though they might not be able to reproduce
it. I still value it, offcourse ill value it even more if the
person giving it have a example to prove his point even more.
Thanx for the compliment though.
Kindest
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Paul L.
My take on this matter !
It is not clear to me what the hullaballoo is all about ????
This is Nikon SLR Lens Talk forum. Uncle Frank posted some pics he took !
Apparently one of the pictures evoked an emotional response, which is a great compliment to the photographer.
I know some who will pay 6k for a photo/painting rendition of their loved ones by average artisans, but will not pay 2k for a masterpiece painting original. The reason being, the subject is not of their loved one in the masterpiece paining (not unusual, the image of a masterpiece is a total stranger to most).. Apparently in this case, the subject is the reason for the decision and not the quality of the painting. Does that make the average artisan better than the master artisan who is acknowledged by the world to be one of the great painters. Does one have to paint a painting to prove this point.
I am a regular on the retouching forum, and it very common for all to post critiques of pics, like, too much yellow, too much red, blown highlights, no detail in shadows, green color cast, blue color cast, too much noise, or what have you. These are matters of fact, and no one debates this/or blows a fuse over it. This is how one learns how to improve. This is called Advise and Consent and Dissent.
I read the Op's posting, and he does not solicit critiques directly. However, I must say, despite what the Op says, there is an implied response solicited in any posting.
For example, the Op states this ... in the Title: The 85 F1.4 makes clients cry ....
This to me implies, despite what the Op says, that the 85 F1.4 is a great lens, and that one should consider buying it, and it is for this reason the Op is posting those pics.
Further this is the lens forum, so it is also implied, that those who like the picture can post their opinions in favor of the lens and/or the picture. In the same vein, those who view the picture in bad light will also post their opinions of disfavor of the lens and/or the picture. Please note that one cannot isolate the picture from the lens. The lens is what enabled the image, and further it is posted in Nikon SLR Lens Forum.
If the operator does not want a critique, he should say in bold capital letters "NO CRITIQUES PLEASE".
Regards to all !
Btw, I am new to digital by a few months, and still cannot get the hang of it, I keep blowing out highlights, which I never did in Film. However, I have thousands and thousands of great film images !
BoyOhBoy
Senior Member
C'mon UF, at least try to be objective in your self-assesment. You blew your top long before the critique started to get personal. Here is proof
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=20217643
To me this reads like a well balanced opinion. I paraphrase for the sake of brevity: "shots are OK, but not great, and here is why I think so - tight composition, somewhat stiff poses of the subjects, bright backround, low contrast". While Marc did not provide specific examples of his own work to illustrate the points he was making, he did link to his pbase galery that includes plenty of examples.
To which you replied with quite a bit of edge and a not-so-subtle putdown
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=20218067
I used to enjoy reading your stuff from time to time. From now on, I will simply skip it because you have show little tolerance for discussion that includes a difference of opinion.
Jorge Barrantes
Leading Member
Hijack your thread?? So people who offer different points of view are hijackers? Just like anyone who disagrees with Bush is called a terrorist? how pompus!
This is a public forum, if you want a "private" thread, you should ask Phil for a "UF Forum" where you can asign a password to your friends and only they can view your posts.
Until that happens, anyone can view, post, offer critique, etc. Deal with it.
SteveDoubleU
Leading Member
Uncle Frank wrote:
I just take umbrage when people
As far as your thread being hyjacked, please, grow up will you...
I just take umbrage when people
Exactly what was the bad advice. I never even made a comment about your snaps. I simply offered advice for others who wanted to follow your style as to how they could begin to do that. You even agreed with that advice look back and see . So where is the bad advice??? I never said anything negative about your self admitted snapshots until you lashed out like a spoiled brat. In fact my offer of help to others was a tacit approval of your technique.
As far as your thread being hyjacked, please, grow up will you...
Tyrophagus
Member
I see the son has a hickey on his neck
Paul.R.Lindqvist
Senior Member
How about.
You get better results putting that flash on a stand.
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Paul L.
SteveDoubleU
Leading Member
or else you had better buy yourself a sense of humor.
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