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Will there be a new Pro 90 anytime soon???
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jimk
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That seems to be a very popular question, given that the pro90 ramped out a year ago and the g2 coming out a year after the g1.
i would like to knw the answer to that too.
jim
i would like to knw the answer to that too.
jim
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There are some technical issues that may be giving Canon engineers fits. It has to do with lense resolution, sensor resolution and image stabalization at long focal lengths. The resolving quality requirement of the lenses is directly proportional to the sensor resolution - hence a much better lense would be required at 4 to 5 meg than at 2.6 meg. This may be pushing the envelope of lense design.
The better the lense and the higher the sensor resolution the more difficult image stabizaion becomes. Think of it as the focus on the sensor is stablized so that a point source can "wiggle around" a bit but as long as it stays on the "same pixel", then there is no bluring. But double the pixels and it can wiggle much less. Same type of argument goes for better resolving power of the lense.
I don't think it is an accident that the two camers with IS are 2 MP and 2.6 MP camers. The issue may be processor horsepower, or it may be more fundamental in that it is an algorithm and processor issue.
I am sure they would love to do it and I bet they (and Olympus also) are working on it.
I'm sure we will see something but who knows when and the worst thing that they could do is to release a product that had too many compromises in order to get to market at a reasonable cost and be a turkey.
The better the lense and the higher the sensor resolution the more difficult image stabizaion becomes. Think of it as the focus on the sensor is stablized so that a point source can "wiggle around" a bit but as long as it stays on the "same pixel", then there is no bluring. But double the pixels and it can wiggle much less. Same type of argument goes for better resolving power of the lense.
I don't think it is an accident that the two camers with IS are 2 MP and 2.6 MP camers. The issue may be processor horsepower, or it may be more fundamental in that it is an algorithm and processor issue.
I am sure they would love to do it and I bet they (and Olympus also) are working on it.
I'm sure we will see something but who knows when and the worst thing that they could do is to release a product that had too many compromises in order to get to market at a reasonable cost and be a turkey.
Mike K
Veteran Member
This is a frequent question in the CTF over the past few months. Do a forum search for "Pro90 upgrade" to find a few of these old threads. The short andwer is beacuse of the lack of 90 sales, an expensive upgrade (like a new lens required for the larger 5 mp sensor) is unlikely. Incorporation of the G-2 software upgrades is possible. When? PMA is in a month, no one knows.
Mike K
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Matterhorn
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That is really too bad. I was hoping for an upgraded pro 90 with 5 or 6 megapixels too. Can you imagine how close you could zoom in using an image editor...WOW. Nonetheless, the Pro 90 is really a bargain with image stabilization and that long zoom...just a few more pixels would make it outrageous.
Matterhorn
Matterhorn
Its seems very likely Canon will introduce a new 5mp at or before PMA, since the competition has 5mp cameras out (Oly, Nikon, Sony and Minolta) , but I don't expect it will be 10x zoom like the Pro90. A 10x zoom for a sensor that size would be either be too expensive, or too low quality if expense held in check. A 5x zoom like on the Sony 707 would make me happy. I would rather ditch IS for a faster lens as well (f2.0 would be nice). Maybe they can just buy the dang lens from Sony. 
I just hope their 5mp will be a big zoom and not just a G3 (a g2 with 5mp).
Peter
I just hope their 5mp will be a big zoom and not just a G3 (a g2 with 5mp).
Peter
Well Yes, probable in the next 3 to 6 months and it want be 5 megapixls. The name of the new Pro 90 will be Pro 135.
jimk
Well-known member
Can someone explain the poor sales of the pro90?
I have heard several people compare it to the oly2100, which is far less expensive.
Is the lack of sales just an economic issue or is there something wrong with the camera? If so, how did it get a highly recommended rating?
jim
I have heard several people compare it to the oly2100, which is far less expensive.
Is the lack of sales just an economic issue or is there something wrong with the camera? If so, how did it get a highly recommended rating?
jim
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From a marketing view point, the Pro 90 may have hit a nitch that wasn't as big as Canon expected it to be. There are a ton of cameras out there and a lot of it gets down to what the customer wants and the price. The rating on the Pro 90 were very good. I looked at in seriously along with the G2 and the Sony 707. No matter what the 707 had, JPEG is a lossy format and you could not get an image out without the incamera processing, i.e. no raw. If I didn't care about raw, I would have probably gone with the 707.
That pretty much narrowed it down to Canon. The Pro 90 is basically a G1 in the guts. There are some nice features in the G2 not in the G1, better manual focusing and faster lense come to mind. When I pulled down the test photos the image detail and quality was just better on the G2 than the Pro 90 which would expect given 4 MP vs. 2.6. They were the same price within a few dollars.
When I pulled down the images of the Pro 90 vs the Oly 2100, the image quality was not much different and neither was the detail. While it was a little better in the Pro 90 was it worth $300 more? If I was going to spend in the $700 to $800 range then I concluded the G2 was the better choice for what I wanted.
I think the Pro 90 may be stuck in a no mans lands - competing with the big MP sensors in price - but falling between over 1.5 to 2 X in behind in sensor size. So it may have just appealed to a nitch audience. But this is the same nitch that the 2100 is targeted to. Canon may have over estimated the size of the audience.
If it is not popular at the cash register, then the above may part of the reason. But I must say the Pro 90 does have a loyal following.
That pretty much narrowed it down to Canon. The Pro 90 is basically a G1 in the guts. There are some nice features in the G2 not in the G1, better manual focusing and faster lense come to mind. When I pulled down the test photos the image detail and quality was just better on the G2 than the Pro 90 which would expect given 4 MP vs. 2.6. They were the same price within a few dollars.
When I pulled down the images of the Pro 90 vs the Oly 2100, the image quality was not much different and neither was the detail. While it was a little better in the Pro 90 was it worth $300 more? If I was going to spend in the $700 to $800 range then I concluded the G2 was the better choice for what I wanted.
I think the Pro 90 may be stuck in a no mans lands - competing with the big MP sensors in price - but falling between over 1.5 to 2 X in behind in sensor size. So it may have just appealed to a nitch audience. But this is the same nitch that the 2100 is targeted to. Canon may have over estimated the size of the audience.
If it is not popular at the cash register, then the above may part of the reason. But I must say the Pro 90 does have a loyal following.
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