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Fuji S5 vs. Nikon D200

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frederic fahraeus said:
Ive still got a FujiS2 along with D2X and D200, always loved the
Fuji-color.
The let-down with Fuji is ofcourse their terrible softwares,
Raw-converters etc ( I dont believe in third party converters ).
I do need MP, in AD and Industrial photography the end product is
pretty large blowups sometimes even billboards and why Fuji keep on
insisting on this interpolation-rubbish of MP I really dont know
maybe Nikon feel they could be a small threat if they were to
launch a true 10 or 12MP machine.

all the best Fred
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Agree, not enough MP for some high-end jobs and certain major Stock houses.
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matthew saville said:
Will the S5 cost more or less than the D200? If less, I might take
two S5's... If more, I'll probably take one of each. What's your
bet? Over or under?
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Should be under (~$1,100 US) but speculation is over (> $2,000, maybe as much as $3,000!). Ridiculous for a 6MP (i.e., 3-year-old technology) camera. I like the idea of a D200 body, but other specs need to come close, as well (e.g., fps, buffer).

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Not sure why you're shooting over ISO 400 at weddings. I use fast primes and rarely go over 400 unless I'm using my 70-200 and the pics are very sharp. I use a D2Hs, btw.

Cheers,
CJ
:)
Not a Sheep said:
if the following criteria were met:

1. > 3 FPS
2. Buffer was greater than 10 RAW
3. Cheaper than D200

I don't need the 10 megapixels of the d200; what I need is great
image quality. I'm not blown away with the D200's image quality
over 400 which I need to use a lot for weddings.
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The price could be a nice surprise, and if you think that Fuji buys bodies from Nikon, dont forget that Nikon buys sensors fron Sony ; so thats not a reason to be more expensive that D200. and about the OP, yes I ´ll take a try if the price is right , i got some pesos in my pocket getting itchy. i Just dont know if i can wait thaaaaaat long.

I hope Fuji stays in the market to offer alternatives on sensor designs. The price of this new cam , will decide them near future tought.
 
Let's not forget that the S3 was overpriced by $1,000 when release a year later than announced, according to all the reviews I read. It was just a 6mp DSLR, who's only bragging rights were due to the slightly higher out of camera DR. The body sucked.

Then for the next year, they arrogantly left the price at around $2,400 as the others released better cams, save perhaps the sensor. A few fans and wedding photogs liked the sensor enough to pay the price.

So, now they have the S5. Will they again price it way above the compitition again?

Those of us with Nikon DSLRs know that we can PP the raw files to get the same DR and colors.
 
At this point the Fuji is vapor ware. A lot is not know about the camera. That said, I hope its good. Competition keeps progress going.
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RFPhotonut said:
Those of us with Nikon DSLRs know that we can PP the raw files to
get the same DR and colors.
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I hated the time consuming PP of my Nikon RAW files. So, I picked up a S3, and been shooting JPEGs ever since. Love the JPEG work flow that requires no PP. My clients always get the pictures right after the shoot. Something that was not possible with my Nikon cams.

Also, no matter how I twitched my Nikon RAW files, I often found it impossible to emulate the Fuji skin tones.

My switch from Nikon to Fujifilm is almost like a switch from PC to Mac.

I'm now saving up for a S5 :-)
 
The more cameras that I can use with my Nikon glass the better. I know that the S5 announcement has dissappointed some but Fuji still seems to be in the game and that is good for those of us heavily invested in Nikon glass. Instead of having to completely convert to Canon to get high IQ and low noise I at least have an option. Hopefully they can sell enough of these to keep their R&D dept alive. As a D200 owner I will take a serious look at the S5. It fills exactly the niche where the D200 is weak. As long as Fuji continues to produce SLR's the future of Nikon is strengthened. One needs to look at the big picture (no pun intended).
 
Not a Sheep said:
i think it is very possible fuji learned something with the pricing
mistakes of the S3; I mean look at what it costs now; it's
amazingly cheap. am I missing something or isn't it the same exact
sensor from the S3? if so much of the R&D is already done.

I honestly don't know where it will be priced at. but i think it
would be very interesting if it was priced at say 1499.99.
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Even I'd buy one if it were that cheap, and I'm just an amateur who already has a D2X. Unfortunately, I think you're dreaming at that price.

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Pradipta Dutta said:
We don't quite know whether it has the exact same sensor as that in
S3 Pro or not. Just the pixel count is not really enough indication
that they are the same sensors particularly when Fuji claims to
have made upgrades qualitatively. But one thing we know for sure -
that it is in heck of lot better body than what S3 Pro sported.

If I have to guess, I would say the street price when the camera is
launched will be about $2,500. But hey, if it is available at
$1,499, it is the consumer that wins. I won't complain. But I am
just trying to realistic.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they have some kind of agreement with Nikon to come out with an initial price like that.

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I OWN a D70s. I've seen the pics it takes. I've seen full res shots from a Fuji S2. I've seen full res shots from a D200. And though i love my D70s and admire the D200's world class ergonomics, there is a noticeable improvement in image quality when you get to the Fuji. Better dynamic range, better noise, better color. There is no comparison between the Sony sensor and the Fuji. Anyone that claims differently is just living in denial land.

A D200 body mated to a Fuji sensor is a class killer assuming that it's perfomrance meets specs and that the price is around $1500 or even less depending on what prices are like when it is introduced.
 
BunnyC said:
Qwntm said:
Just stating at what price I might give a 6mp D200 a chance to see
what the who-ha is about... Actually if the S5 were to come out at
$700, it would still be a TOUGH decision between it and the D80!
JMHO, YMMV...

I'm sure there are others that will love it, the rest of us will
all just be pointing and laughing. :)
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The S5 pro is not there to compete with a D80. As Fujifilm stated,
it's a camera intended for the pros who shoot wedding, portraits,
and in studio.
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Wasn't it the build quality of the S2 and S3 that restricted them to those applications? It seems to me by putting a (more or less) weather-sealed body around a wide DR sensor like this, it would also be good for landscapes, except the resolution is kind of low for those.
BunnyC said:
So, it's not really a camera intended for amateurs
who are buying their first entry level DSLR.
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Yes, that's obvious.
BunnyC said:
The image quality of my S3 Pro is just stunning. I was a RAW
shooter with my Nikon because of the poor and inconsistent JPEGs,
and the poor JPEG dynamic range. Also, I had to spend time to post
process every single RAW image. Since I got the S3, I've been a
pure JPEG shooter because there's no need to post process.
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Wow, that sounds great! I'm really going to be tracking this camera.
BunnyC said:
The S3
gives stunning JPEGs right out of the box. The JPEG workflow with
the S3 makes things much more efficient and much more enjoyable. I
mean, I can spend more time shooting pictures instead of spending
time to post process RAW images in front of a monitor.
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Sounds like a dream come true. Even with the D2X I just don't trust going straight to JPEG even though this camera certainly needs less PP than my first DSLR, the D70.
BunnyC said:
Time = money for a Pro.
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Time = life, for an amateur like me with a full plate.
BunnyC said:
About the megapixel thing, Frank E. Cricchio has been making huge
gallery prints with his S3 pro. He shoots in JPEG too!! I don't see
why 6+6MP is a problem. To many people, it's not the number of
megapixel, but the quality of megapixels that matters.
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Do you think I could make high quality, highly detailed landscapes at 13"x19"? That's my personal benchmark for my amateur landscape photography, and the D2X does that with flying colors, and then some, I'm sure (but haven't gone beyond that personally).
BunnyC said:
Further on megapixel counts, most people think there's a huge
difference between a 6 and a 10. But the fact is that the increase
is not huge. Think of it this way, for a 6MP sensor, the resolution
is 3000x2000. To double the resolution of a 6MP would mean
6000x4000.... which means you'll need a 24MP sensor to double the
resolution of a 6MP sensor. So, how much are you gaining with a
10MP sensor over a 6MP sensor? Definitely not a huge gain.
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But I saw a huge gain between the 6MP D70 and the 12MP D2X. Of course per pixel you have higher image quality, and I think that's what you get with the Fuji.
BunnyC said:
I'm very glad to see the S5 Pro. This indicates that Fujifilm is
still in the DSLR business for the people who care about image
quality. I was a bit worried that Fujifilm would drop out. Now I
just have to happily wait for the release of the S5.
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After reading your post and several others in this thread, suddenly I'm very interested.

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I think it's the same S3 sensor, just with its name changed.

Well, at least, this is what I understood from their website:

http://www.fujifilmusa.com/JSP/fuji/epartners/proPhotoProductS5.jsp :

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The increased dynamic range from the Super CCD SR Pro double pixel technology (6.17 million S-pixels and 6.17 million R-pixels) became popular in the FinePix S3 Pro with portrait and wedding photographers. The new FinePix S5 Pro continues these advancements by coupling the proven Super CCD SR Pro with the companies new RP (Real Photo) Processor Pro for even more outstanding film-like results. The two technologies will be married together in a fully digital and durable metal alloy body frame.
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Sorry if I misunderstood, English is not my mother language.
 
I have had no problems with getting the skin tones right with very little effort using ACR in Photoshop CS 2. My family LOVES my pics from the D200. Usually, it is just a matter of setting the white balance correctly when opening the NEF into CS2.

Can you please elaborate on what problems you had? I would appreciate the views of a pro.

Thanks.
 
fjp said:
Wasn't it the build quality of the S2 and S3 that restricted them
to those applications? It seems to me by putting a (more or less)
weather-sealed body around a wide DR sensor like this, it would
also be good for landscapes, except the resolution is kind of low
for those.
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The build quality of the S3 is acceptable, but it feels cheap and plasticky when compared to the alloy bodies like D200 or D2x. The build quality is ok for studio work, portraits, and weddings (not in rain though).

Compared to the S3, I'll feel much more comfortable to bring the S5 to the mountains for landscape shots.
fjp said:
Sounds like a dream come true. Even with the D2X I just don't trust
going straight to JPEG even though this camera certainly needs less
PP than my first DSLR, the D70.
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I love using the S3's F1 film simulation mode for potraits. Wonderful skintones right out of the camera. To be honest, I seldom need to post process the JPEGs. If I really have to post process the JPEGs, mostly it's just sharpness and white balance adjustments.

Here's a S3 review with nice sample pics
http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/cameras/fuji_S3.php

Though the S3 may sound like a dream come true, it is very sluggish. For me it's ok because I shoot portraits, still life, landscapes, and cityscapes. But it's definitely not a camera for sports.

I hope the S5 will not be sluggish like the S3.
fjp said:
Do you think I could make high quality, highly detailed landscapes
at 13"x19"? That's my personal benchmark for my amateur landscape
photography, and the D2X does that with flying colors, and then
some, I'm sure (but haven't gone beyond that personally).
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Many suggested that the S3's SuperCCD has resolution of 8 to 9MP of a regular sensor. So, if your D70 can give you acceptable 13x19 prints. You'll be ok with the S3/S5. But it won't be as good as your D2x.
fjp said:
After reading your post and several others in this thread, suddenly
I'm very interested.
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To me, switching from Nikon to Fuji feels almost like switching from PC to Mac :-) I have fallen in love with the Fuji color, film simulations, dynamic range, and stunning JPEGs right out of the box.

If you hate post processing, the S3/S5 should be on your wishlist.

I find that the S3's a bargain at the current price. If you can live with its sluggishness, it should complement your D2x very well.

However, the S3 only supports D-TTL flash.... so, if you've invested a lot in Nikon's new CLS system for your D2x, you might as well wait for the S5 which supports i-TTL

Anyway, here's a quote from Steve's Digcam review on the S3 -

The S3 Pro makes full use of Fujifilm’s extensive color film expertise. Rather than force photographers to shoot in RAW mode and spend time on an extensive workflow process, Fujifilm has introduced Film Simulation Modes, dynamic range presets and color space selection. Once the photographer is familiar with these settings, they will be able to produce JPEG images straight from the camera, which require no post-production. Photographers can choose between smooth, extended tonality and natural skin tones, or the dramatic impact of highly saturated color. The Film Simulation Mode is the equivalent of changing film type to suit shooting conditions, and achieves this at the touch of a button....

.... The bottom line: The FinePix S3 Pro is a camera with two personalities. In Standard D-Range it produces excellent results both at 6 and 12 megapixel image sizes, but doesn't justify its $2,500 price versus the competiting dSLRs. Set D-Range to Wide and the S3 is transformed into an amazing portrait-taking image processor. Although a bit sluggish in this mode, its results may better satisfy the needs of your portrait business than anything else available today, more than justifying its price.
 
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