I’m a Nikon D70 user and I really love my camera. I’ve been shooting architecture/cit

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I’m a Nikon D70 user and I really love my camera. I’ve been shooting architecture/city life pictures during 2 years and now I mainly shoot in clubs/bars. I’m really happy with the settings I found but I wanted to get a D80 to have brighter backgrounds like on the Canon 30D for example (which is known as the best one for low light conditions)

I bought the D80 yesterday and I made some tests in my room. As I mainly shoot people in clubs with my SB-800 Flash I tried to have more or less the same conditions (=me at 60cm in front of the lense, using a tripod and a remote control + a low light behind me). I took a picture with the D70 and the D80 (both with the exact same settings): I was quite disappointed by the result of the D80. Of course the background was a lot brighter (I had exactly the same feeling than watching on a 30D LCD), yes the focus is faster and looks more precise; but on the other hand It kept the same weak points: the contrast was not that powerful (even with a +2 in settings). I love how the faces look on the D70 with the “II Adobe color mode”: the skin has some white cold tones and the effect is very nice. I never saw that on Canon’s pictures….It looks like now the D80 has the same quality than the 30D in low light conditions, but it also lost his color tones differences. Instead of the white cold tones on my skin, it was more “yellowish”. I tried to play with WB but it didn’t really work: it changes the overall temperature of the pictures but not the colors on the face.

More than this, I cannot trust the LCD anymore. It’s very comfortable to have a wide screen like this, but the colours/tones are different than the render I have on my computer’s screen. I didn’t have this problem with the D70. Actually I had the same feeling with the 30D’s LCD than with the D80 one: it’s wide but colours are “weak”, with poor contrast. In these conditions, it’s hard to set up the camera during your shooting without being next to a computer.

Anyway, that was just a test made in my room, I’ll shoot in two different clubs this week end and try to get better settings. I really hope it will be ok. Otherwise I’ll work on Capture Pro and build my own contrast curves; I don’t know how useful it is.

Beside this, the plastic box is not disturbing at all. The quality is still very good. It’s smaller but still very acceptable. The D70’s size was perfect for me; I’d say the D80 is my limit (the 400D is way to small).
 
As far as i'm concerned the only real (nikon-made) upgrade for D70 users is D200/D2X territory. I'm not even remotely tempted to look at the D80 and can't afford either a D200 or D2X, but it's no great shakes; my D70 and I will remain good friends for a long time yet :-)
 
Yes I understand this point of view. But I don’t need a lot of fps at all, the plastic case is not a problem for me. Beside this, the D200 is way too heavy (D200 + SB 800 + lense on my hand during a whole night is way too much :D ). I just made the step for the autofocus improvement and especially for the performances in low light conditions (and I must admit it’s quite impressive, it’s as bright as on the 30D). I “just” have to fix that WB + contrast problem on the skin.
As far as i'm concerned the only real (nikon-made) upgrade for D70
users is D200/D2X territory. I'm not even remotely tempted to look
at the D80 and can't afford either a D200 or D2X, but it's no great
shakes; my D70 and I will remain good friends for a long time yet
:-)
 
I bought the D80 yesterday and I made some tests in my room. As I
mainly shoot people in clubs with my SB-800 Flash I tried to have
more or less the same conditions (=me at 60cm in front of the
lense, using a tripod and a remote control + a low light behind
me). I took a picture with the D70 and the D80 (both with the exact
same settings): I was quite disappointed by the result of the D80.
Of course the background was a lot brighter (I had exactly the same
feeling than watching on a 30D LCD), yes the focus is faster and
looks more precise; but on the other hand It kept the same weak
points: the contrast was not that powerful (even with a +2 in
settings). I love how the faces look on the D70 with the “II Adobe
color mode”: the skin has some white cold tones and the effect is
very nice. I never saw that on Canon’s pictures….It looks like now
the D80 has the same quality than the 30D in low light conditions,
but it also lost his color tones differences. Instead of the white
cold tones on my skin, it was more “yellowish”. I tried to play
with WB but it didn’t really work: it changes the overall
temperature of the pictures but not the colors on the face.
If the D80 image looked very different from the D70 image then you must have used different settings. If the background was brighter in the D80 image then you must have increased the ambient exposure (by using a higher ISO or slower shutter speed for example). By doing that you changed the mixture of ambient light and flash, which in turns changes the colours since the two light sources have very different colour temperatures.
 
Same sharpening, same tone compensation, same color mode, same saturation, same hue adj., same WB, same flash with same settings, same lense, same F number, same exposure time, (both in M mode).

Still different :(
If the D80 image looked very different from the D70 image then you
must have used different settings. If the background was brighter
in the D80 image then you must have increased the ambient exposure
(by using a higher ISO or slower shutter speed for example). By
doing that you changed the mixture of ambient light and flash,
which in turns changes the colours since the two light sources have
very different colour temperatures.
 
If better jpeg straight out of camera is what you are after, like the OP does, I doubt D200/D2x would be upgrades to D70. Maybe you ought to consider D50 or P&S. They tends to be tuned more for casual users and deliver sharp and contrasty pictures right out of the camera.
As far as i'm concerned the only real (nikon-made) upgrade for D70
users is D200/D2X territory. I'm not even remotely tempted to look
at the D80 and can't afford either a D200 or D2X, but it's no great
shakes; my D70 and I will remain good friends for a long time yet
:-)
 
What about ISO? Was there any in-camera D-Lighting option turned on? You could try putting the flash on Manual to see if i-TTL is behaving differently on the D80.
Still different :(
If the D80 image looked very different from the D70 image then you
must have used different settings. If the background was brighter
in the D80 image then you must have increased the ambient exposure
(by using a higher ISO or slower shutter speed for example). By
doing that you changed the mixture of ambient light and flash,
which in turns changes the colours since the two light sources have
very different colour temperatures.
 
From what I read on this forum the D80 exposure was increased by default to give better exposed out of camera pictures at the expense of some blown highlights. I believe that is why there is an exposure difference between the D70/D80 comparison here used identical settings.
 
Yes same ISO...No D-Lighting...
Still have to test the Flash in manual but I don't think it's the problem..

It's just because of the different sensor I guess...
Still different :(
If the D80 image looked very different from the D70 image then you
must have used different settings. If the background was brighter
in the D80 image then you must have increased the ambient exposure
(by using a higher ISO or slower shutter speed for example). By
doing that you changed the mixture of ambient light and flash,
which in turns changes the colours since the two light sources have
very different colour temperatures.
 
Exposure increased? What do you mean? When I shot at 1/2sec it's not a real 1/2sec? Sounds weird
From what I read on this forum the D80 exposure was increased by
default to give better exposed out of camera pictures at the
expense of some blown highlights. I believe that is why there is
an exposure difference between the D70/D80 comparison here used
identical settings.
 
No, they may have changed the metering alright, but that would only mean that the D80 might choose a different exposure to the D70 in a given situation. In this case all the settings (including ISO, aperture, and shutter speed) are the same, so therefore the exposure should be the same.
From what I read on this forum the D80 exposure was increased by
default to give better exposed out of camera pictures at the
expense of some blown highlights. I believe that is why there is
an exposure difference between the D70/D80 comparison here used
identical settings.
 
The sensor shouldn't matter either, since the ISO rating is accurate on both of them. Maybe the tone curve is different. I know you chose the same tone comp. on both cameras but internally it might be a different curve on each camera?
It's just because of the different sensor I guess...
Still different :(
If the D80 image looked very different from the D70 image then you
must have used different settings. If the background was brighter
in the D80 image then you must have increased the ambient exposure
(by using a higher ISO or slower shutter speed for example). By
doing that you changed the mixture of ambient light and flash,
which in turns changes the colours since the two light sources have
very different colour temperatures.
 
The D80 is an excellent and very capable animal, however it is not the D70 you are used to. I think you just need to spend more time with it, get to know it, so that you can get teh results you want out of it. Every camera is a different beast, you just have to learn how to control that beast to get what u want out of it (repeating here sorry).
 
I wanted to build my own one with nikon capture 4.4.2, but it keeps telling me he cannot see any camera connected...strange :(
The sensor shouldn't matter either, since the ISO rating is
accurate on both of them. Maybe the tone curve is different. I know
you chose the same tone comp. on both cameras but internally it
might be a different curve on each camera?
 
Hehe, nice point of view ;) I'll try it this week end :D I hope I'll be happy with it!! ;)

Anyway, I still have my D70 if I need!^^
The D80 is an excellent and very capable animal, however it is not
the D70 you are used to. I think you just need to spend more time
with it, get to know it, so that you can get teh results you want
out of it. Every camera is a different beast, you just have to
learn how to control that beast to get what u want out of it
(repeating here sorry).
 
From what I read on this forum the D80 exposure was increased by
default to give better exposed out of camera pictures at the
expense of some blown highlights.
Blown highlights! Arghh!!!
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What does it mean "lighter background"? And contrast?

There is no any universal curves and if you spend 1000$ on DSLR - buy some books about Photoshop. There is no way you can get really good results shooting straight in jpeg with camera settings.
 
Sorry, I wanted to say brighter background..

I’ve been using Photoshop during 10 years…I don’t know if I would learn a lot of useful things…

But beside this, what does that been? I wouldn’t deserve a 1000$ camera? I didn’t know you were watching my work…

Who never said anything about jpegs, raw or even animated gifs…

Of course you can do almost everything on Photoshop, but I don’t care; I’m not a digital artist, I just want to find settings I like and not to waste my time on Photoshop. As I will always prefer to use a filter on my lens rather to use the photo filter option on Photoshop, I will also prefer to get the contrast / tones I want directly on the camera. There are some things you can’t recreate with photoshop, unless you spend hours.
What does it mean "lighter background"? And contrast?

There is no any universal curves and if you spend 1000$ on DSLR -
buy some books about Photoshop. There is no way you can get really
good results shooting straight in jpeg with camera settings.
 

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