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Further News from SIGMA - another cam in the Pipe - the DP1

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Eric R. said:
Looks like a nice camera except as others have pointed out "NO
VIEWFINDER".

I will not even look at the specs of the camera. Not having a
viewfinder is just plain dumb. By not putting a viewfinder on the
camera they are excluding a whole market segment. Putting a
viewfinder on would not.

For those with good vision you can look forward to, slow response
from the screen compared to an optical viewfinder and missed shots
because of it. Enjoy!
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You seem to be mistaking this for an SLR, which it is not. The only viewfinder it could have would be a silly tunnel viewfinder which I never use on digital P&S cameras because they are somewhat inaccurate, and do not provide a view through the lens. If you are not seeing what the lens is seeing, what is the point of a viewfinder?

As Joe S. pointed out in another thread, the Foveon chip could provide a great on-screen view even in very low light just by using pixel binning.

It seems to me that if you want a viewfinder that looks through the lense, you might be served by a true SLR... well sir it just so happens Sigma is ALSO making a new SLR, the SD-14! I think the market segment you think they are excluding will be quite well served by that camera.

I am hoping this small camera also takes movies, that would be perfect.

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Both the EOS 20Da and the Fujifilm S3 can do it for short time periods, too.

-gt
 
LMC54 said:
Hardy Steiner said:
Live Preview already exists for DSRL, but I guess we won't have it
in the SD14, which is not necessary anyway.
(As far as I remember Olympus or Panasonic introduct Live Preview
for DSLR)
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LMC54 said:
Interesting.... I wonder how they did that.
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There is several options. 1) Use a pellicle mirror. 2) Use mirror lock up (so you lose the optical viewfinder when you turn on live preview). 3) Have a secondary CCD in the mirror path for live preview.

Oly E-330 actually provides both 2 and 3, and let the user choose which to use.

One potential market for the Sigma SD14 is forensic photography (i.e. IR an UV photography). Since the hot-mirror (aka. dust protector) is user removable, Sigma could sell this as a forenisic camera by offering alternative "dust-protectors" that blocks visible light.

However, this doesn't workout well, because you get viewfinder blackout (I use a Voigtlander accessory viewfinder with my SD10 for IR photography). If the SD14 had live preview, it would be the ultimate forenisc camera.
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I still am trying to figure out a way to clue this thing to the new cam.
Rytterfalk said:
Not sure I follow.. I've owned many P&S cameras. They're always
handy and I longed for a Sigma that could rule them all. Now, with
all these P&S I never, as far as I can remember used the little
tiny viewfinder, It just feels wrong and takes space for that
brutal LCD on the back. No?

If battery is good, (which many P&S today has proven possible, read
F30) then why would a nice huge LCD be worse?

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Proud SD9/SD10 user.
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Kendall Helmstetter Gelner said:
The only viewfinder it could have would be a silly tunnel viewfinder
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Ever held a Leica? It's possible to build a nice optical VF (particularly if you only have a fixed lens!) It just costs money. Heck, they could even offer one as an accessory like the Ricoh.

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Erik
 
Since there is no mirror , you are going to be able to hold it quite a bit longer than that , as one does with a Leica M .

For a SLR though, 1/28 would be the correct answer, otherwise you would be able to hold a 300mm P&S to 1/30 which is clearly not the case.
It is to do with angle of view .

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Call -151
 
I've last 20 minutes trying to figure out away to attach a good 28mm finder to this otherwise dream camera for me .

Like what Ricoh did with GR digital:



It looks like the only option would be to custom make a ring like thing with a hot shoe and somehow attach it to base of the lens.

Any other idea ?

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Nikonism said:
Dominic Groß said:
Paul Paris Les Images said:
.. if this is not a joke, it will be a marketing disaster..
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why? if they make the EVF function good it won't be any worse than
the small and distorted point and shoot finders.
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There are plenty of very high quality 28mm viewfinders out there on
the market. I just wish it had a hot shoe .
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No problem ... some gaffer-tape and a blob of epoxy should fix that
:) :) :)
Nikonism said:
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Erik Magnuson said:
Ever held a Leica? It's possible to build a nice optical VF
(particularly if you only have a fixed lens!) It just costs money.
Heck, they could even offer one as an accessory like the Ricoh.
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It does not have to cost money. The Agfa Sensor cameras had beutiful vew finders - and they were at the lowest possible price segment.

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Roland
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that you have not used a quality rangefinder or p&s camera. If you want to learn about it search for Leica, Contax, Rollei film cameras to name just 3.

You are correct in that most every p&s digital camera with an optical viewfinder has poor one. But that is not the way it has to be. Sigma has missed a great opportunity to create a camera that would address an untapped market.

As for a live view LCD, I could really care less if the camera has one at all.

I know exactly what I am looking for. And it is not a DSLR, I have one already, a sigma. What I don't want is to pay Leica prices.

I don't even need that
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Eric R. said:
As for a live view LCD, I could really care less if the camera has
one at all.
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A live preview is very handy. It is useful in many cases. So much really so I am considering a Zigview.

But - no hotshoe and no viewfinder are two high prices to pay for a high quality camera IMHO.

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Roland
http://klotjohan.mine.nu/~roland/
 
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