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Pentax K10D, 10 stabilized MP in a sealed body with 9 cross-type AF sensors
Sony Alpha100, 10 stabilized and affordable megapixels

Nikon D200, 10 MP in a sealed body with 9 cross AF sensors and built-in wireless flash

and now Fuji S5 with a D200 body... looks like a 30D upgrade or price drop is required... image quality is not enough now that competitors have decent sensors ;-)

(neat face zoom feature on that Fuji... would be great for events where people just WANT to see their mug and joystick navigation is sluggish)

' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '
 
yeah like more cross-type sensors. I'd stop using only the center one if I had more sensitive points available around...

' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '
 
And the D80 looks like a feature packed camera in a gorgeous body.

D.
Paul Guy said:
Pentax K10D, 10 stabilized MP in a sealed body with 9 cross-type AF
sensors
Sony Alpha100, 10 stabilized and affordable megapixels
Nikon D200, 10 MP in a sealed body with 9 cross AF sensors and
built-in wireless flash
and now Fuji S5 with a D200 body... looks like a 30D upgrade or
price drop is required... image quality is not enough now that
competitors have decent sensors ;-)

(neat face zoom feature on that Fuji... would be great for events
where people just WANT to see their mug and joystick navigation is
sluggish)

' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '
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'Most often the glass is more capable than the photographer behind it'.
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And indisputable, the noise is under control, IQ is very higs and overall it's a very nice camera but.. would you spend 200$ more for it if you are starting a new system?? I would deffinitely gofor 400D (more useful features - see dust reduction) ..

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Does not play well with others.
It seems 'others' have a problem with loosing.
 
Well it's a decision that comes down to the individual. Some may be shooting at high ISO most of the time and prefer cleaner images, others want features, others rugged build and most people (who really know their shooting conditions) will base the decision on the lenses available. Yes the extra cash on the D80 may be to most people unjustified, but like any serious hobby/career you need to pour a lot in to get a lot out.

Dust reduction is a really useful feature. If it works well that could definately be a deciding factor. I'm really happy that Canon have been more innovative in this regard. Hopefully it will become a standard feature for future models.

D.
florinbaiduc said:
And indisputable, the noise is under control, IQ is very higs and
overall it's a very nice camera but.. would you spend 200$ more for
it if you are starting a new system?? I would deffinitely gofor
400D (more useful features - see dust reduction) ..

--
Does not play well with others.
It seems 'others' have a problem with loosing.
Click to expand...
--
**********************************
'Most often the glass is more capable than the photographer behind it'.
http://www.designsbydamian.com.au
 
florinbaiduc said:
And indisputable, the noise is under control, IQ is very higs and
overall it's a very nice camera but.. would you spend 200$ more for
it if you are starting a new system?? I would deffinitely gofor
400D (more useful features - see dust reduction) ..

--
Does not play well with others.
It seems 'others' have a problem with loosing.
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Is dust reduction more useful than a real quality viewfinder and a body that you can grip comfortably without adding a battery grip? Not to me.

I don't look at the 400D as being in the same league as the other offerings from an ergonomics standpoint...

The D80 (IMO) falls between the Rebels and 30D....but for my $$...the Canon I'd be comparing to would be the 30D( or its eventual replacement)...I just can't get past the tiny size and miniature viewfinder of the D Rebels...

Sometime between now and Christmas I'm hoping to take the plunge on a DSLR....the final decision will come down to K10D, D80, or 30D...

It's a really tough call...I love the feel of the 30D, but with the extra money saved by going with the other cameras I could invest in some nice glass.. (Based on feedback received online and at local shops...either of the 3 systems would suit my requirements)
 
CPersyn said:
Is dust reduction more useful than a real quality viewfinder and a
body that you can grip comfortably without adding a battery grip?
Not to me.

I don't look at the 400D as being in the same league as the other
offerings from an ergonomics standpoint...

The D80 (IMO) falls between the Rebels and 30D....but for my
$$...the Canon I'd be comparing to would be the 30D( or its
eventual replacement)...I just can't get past the tiny size and
miniature viewfinder of the D Rebels...
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I have to agree on all these points. When I bought my 20D, the D70 is a serious alternative. The D80, even D70 for that mater, may not have the metal body, but they don't look/feel cheap, and the VF, controls are better. For me, D Rebels are not even close the the status D80/70 deserved.
CPersyn said:
Sometime between now and Christmas I'm hoping to take the plunge on
a DSLR....the final decision will come down to K10D, D80, or 30D...
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D80 or 30D are all fine cameras, but I do hope either Canon improves it controls or Nikon improves its sensors before you put the money. I am holding my upgrade for that moment. I went to the 5D and turned back. My ideal camera is simply not exist yet.

And please don't argue if you've already found your ideal camera, I realize it is personal perference.

In term of brand (Canon vs. Nikon), I switched to Canon when I go D-SLR, and won't hasitate to switch again if the justification changes. The internet makes the sale so easy.

Cheers!
rh
 
Paul Guy said:
yeah like more cross-type sensors. I'd stop using only the center
one if I had more sensitive points available around...
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Yeah... if they would only add "the 1D's "Ring of fire" to the 30D's AF, for let's say a $100 extra, I would never look for another camera anymore.
Paul Guy said:
' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '
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Nobody is perfect! ;-)

Jan
 
I'm currently shooting with a Panasonic FZ10, which takes nice shots in full light..but gets noisy quickly...

I have no loyalties or commitments to any system or manufacturer currently...

I'm free to assess and choose which body/system will best suit my needs (C, N, or P)
 
Nikon kills Canon in every way - especially ergonomics and metering. I know Canon has been sweating ever since the D80 arrived.

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'Procrastinate now, don't put it off.'

 
fudgebrown said:
Nikon kills Canon in every way - especially ergonomics and
metering. I know Canon has been sweating ever since the D80 arrived.

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'Procrastinate now, don't put it off.'

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Now that is a comment that I expect will incite some flaming...leave me out of the crossfire

There are things I like about the Canon system...and things that I like about the Nikon system....but the K10D seems to have a good mix of the benefits at a VERY attractive price while having a much more limited selection of decent glass(compared to N or C)...but still of very good quality and I don't see myself investing several thousand dollars per lense for quite some time
 
are AF sensors ("points") sensitive to both horizontal AND vertical contrast. Normal sensors are sensitive to only one of those, horizontal or vertical, it depends on the camera and AF system.

In a situation where you can only AF onto something horizontal or vertical, it's faster and more effective to just aim with a cross sensor, instead of choosing the appropriate sensor before aiming in order to not miss the target.

Pentax K10D has 9 out of 11
Nikon D200 and D80 have 9 out of 11
Canon 30D and 5D have only one out of 9 and 15 respectively

and even Canon 1D series have 7 out of 45.

' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '
 
You're french and you're rude, and you need a brain transplant too.

Why is it that you are so worried about the competition?

Do you have to own the latest and greatest? Are you afraid of walking around with a Canon camera and being laughed at by your friends?

Or is it possible that you have outgrown the limitations of a 30D?

If you're THAT good, why aren't you shooting with a 5D, or a 1D?

And why isn't Nikon, Pentax, Sony, and the rest "answering" to the 5D introduced last year? And the 1Dmk2, 1Dmk2N, and the rest of the 1D line?

In fact, why don't you go over to those other forums and point these facts out to those people! Then, you could leave us in peace to enjoy our cat pictures. Or some more Yellowstone pictures. Or a nice discussion about replacing the LCD covers on the 10D/20D/30D?

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'In 1983, the game of golf had a firm grip on the waist of my boxers and was administering the death wedgie. I had a dose of the atomic yips and after missing 10 of 11 cuts by a single shot, I was ready to quit and apply for a job as a wringer-outer for a one-armed window cleaner.'
  • David Feherty
 
Paul Guy said:
are AF sensors ("points") sensitive to both horizontal AND vertical
contrast. Normal sensors are sensitive to only one of those,
horizontal or vertical, it depends on the camera and AF system.

In a situation where you can only AF onto something horizontal or
vertical, it's faster and more effective to just aim with a cross
sensor, instead of choosing the appropriate sensor before aiming in
order to not miss the target.

Pentax K10D has 9 out of 11
Nikon D200 and D80 have 9 out of 11
Canon 30D and 5D have only one out of 9 and 15 respectively
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Unless I was dreaming, I believe at least two of the 6 invisible AF points on the 5D are cross-type.
Paul Guy said:
and even Canon 1D series have 7 out of 45.

' I'm french and I'm rude. Surprised? '
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