Andrew Grant27981
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I agree that the 1270 and heavywieght matte are excellent. I also like the new ColorLife paper.
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Magikil Wizard
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I'm using the Epson Photo 1280 and like it alot. Only drawback seems to be if you do many copies of the same picture/ you go through one of the ink colors too fast. Seems better to vary the type of colors you are printing , and run batches of the prints that way to get the most life from your cartridges. Love the quality of the pictures I get from it and often print out at 11.7" x 16.5" on Epson Archieval Matte Paper and their 13" x 19" Premium Glossy Paper. Don't have the Canon D-30 though, but use an Olympus C2500L digital and Canon Eos-1VHS 35mm. Hope this helps you.
Eugene Hsu #72251
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Neil,
I also own an s800 as well and am absolutely amazed by it's print quality. And with the individual ink wells for each of 6 colors, I think it's pretty hard to beat at this time.
Do you find that the Ilford papers perform equal or better than the Canon Photo Pro paper?
Thanks
Eugene
I also own an s800 as well and am absolutely amazed by it's print quality. And with the individual ink wells for each of 6 colors, I think it's pretty hard to beat at this time.
Do you find that the Ilford papers perform equal or better than the Canon Photo Pro paper?
Thanks
Eugene
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Nicholas J
Senior Member
I don't own one but from what I've researched the canon s800 is clearly the best at moment.
The s900 will be out end of the month which has the same quality but is much faster.
Nicholas
The s900 will be out end of the month which has the same quality but is much faster.
Nicholas
I use an Epson Photo 2000P for photos that I really care about and need to make sure are in great quality. Another advantage is that you can print on large paper and roll paper with that printer. The quality of this printer can't be beat by any inkjet printer in the sub $1000 range, I think it can't be beat by a lot of over $1000 printers either. Also it has a lightfast rating of 200 years, which is great if you want to archive your photos. But the downside to this printer is that the cost for printing on it is pretty high.
I also use an ALPS MD-5000P. This is a poorman's dye-sublimation printer. The printer cost me about $400 and it's print quality is great. It has two different kinds of print cassetes, one set for regular paper, and another for dye-sub paper. The quality of the printouts are great, weather you use regular or dye sub. The regular interporlates a 600DPI image and can print it at 2400DPI, and it also puts a coating on the paper to make it glossy. The cassetes are waterproof as well. For regular paper, ALPS also makes metalic and foil cassetes, which can let you print some strange things. It also has white cassete, which allows you to print on dark paper. The dye sub is great. It prints on Dye Sub paper, and like all other Dye Sub printers, it's relatively expensive to print on it, but at least the printer didn't cost an arm and a leg. You have to get an extra module which cost about $70 to print dye sub by the way. The problem I have with Dye Sub is that it fades. The pictures look great, but because of the process that is used to print, the pictures will fade.
The printer that I use for everyday printing and smaller prints is the HP Photosmart 1218. It's great for printing small photographs, proofs, and text. It also give you a duplexer, which allows you to print on both sides of the paper. The quality is nothing close to the Epson 2000P, but the prints are relatively cheap. It also allows me to print thumbnails from my compact-flash cards, without having to use the computer as it has a slot for Compact-Flash and MMC cards. You can't use a microdrive in the 1218, although I hear that you can use on in the 1315, which was recently released. (1315 give you a monitor on the printer to view your photographs.)
I'm not sure what your budget is, but if you don't want to buy a couple of printers, I recommend the Epson 1280 or the Epson 785EX. Both use the same printing technology, have very good prints, although you have to use Epson paper, otherwise you'll get weird printouts. I've seen a lot of printouts from both printers, and they are very good. the 785 is slower, and can't print on wide paper, while the 1280 is fast, and can print on wide paper. The 785 also let's you use your memory card directly in the printer, which is a nice feature, and I believe you can even use a microdrive in it.
Hope this helps a bit.
Shervin
I also use an ALPS MD-5000P. This is a poorman's dye-sublimation printer. The printer cost me about $400 and it's print quality is great. It has two different kinds of print cassetes, one set for regular paper, and another for dye-sub paper. The quality of the printouts are great, weather you use regular or dye sub. The regular interporlates a 600DPI image and can print it at 2400DPI, and it also puts a coating on the paper to make it glossy. The cassetes are waterproof as well. For regular paper, ALPS also makes metalic and foil cassetes, which can let you print some strange things. It also has white cassete, which allows you to print on dark paper. The dye sub is great. It prints on Dye Sub paper, and like all other Dye Sub printers, it's relatively expensive to print on it, but at least the printer didn't cost an arm and a leg. You have to get an extra module which cost about $70 to print dye sub by the way. The problem I have with Dye Sub is that it fades. The pictures look great, but because of the process that is used to print, the pictures will fade.
The printer that I use for everyday printing and smaller prints is the HP Photosmart 1218. It's great for printing small photographs, proofs, and text. It also give you a duplexer, which allows you to print on both sides of the paper. The quality is nothing close to the Epson 2000P, but the prints are relatively cheap. It also allows me to print thumbnails from my compact-flash cards, without having to use the computer as it has a slot for Compact-Flash and MMC cards. You can't use a microdrive in the 1218, although I hear that you can use on in the 1315, which was recently released. (1315 give you a monitor on the printer to view your photographs.)
I'm not sure what your budget is, but if you don't want to buy a couple of printers, I recommend the Epson 1280 or the Epson 785EX. Both use the same printing technology, have very good prints, although you have to use Epson paper, otherwise you'll get weird printouts. I've seen a lot of printouts from both printers, and they are very good. the 785 is slower, and can't print on wide paper, while the 1280 is fast, and can print on wide paper. The 785 also let's you use your memory card directly in the printer, which is a nice feature, and I believe you can even use a microdrive in it.
Hope this helps a bit.
Shervin
Mark Jamison
Well-known member
Hi Jim,
I was like you. I got my D-30, but I all I had was an old Canon BJC-4000, which produced adequate, but non-remarkable pictures.
So I decided to get a new printer. I tested both the Canon S800 and the Epson Photo-Stylus 780. Both did an outstanding job, but the S800 cost $299 and the 780 cost $99. As a result I purchased the Epson.
As the months have rolled by, all 4 of them, I realized that I needed something that could print larger sizes than 8x10. So I started looking at my options. The epson Photo Stylus 1280 was the absolute best option for the money. It is nothing short of astounding.
While the Canon S-9000 may be just as good or better than the 1280 I'm not holding my breath.
So I use my 780 for any prints of 8x10 or smaller and the 1280 for the big jobs.
I was like you. I got my D-30, but I all I had was an old Canon BJC-4000, which produced adequate, but non-remarkable pictures.
So I decided to get a new printer. I tested both the Canon S800 and the Epson Photo-Stylus 780. Both did an outstanding job, but the S800 cost $299 and the 780 cost $99. As a result I purchased the Epson.
As the months have rolled by, all 4 of them, I realized that I needed something that could print larger sizes than 8x10. So I started looking at my options. The epson Photo Stylus 1280 was the absolute best option for the money. It is nothing short of astounding.
While the Canon S-9000 may be just as good or better than the 1280 I'm not holding my breath.
So I use my 780 for any prints of 8x10 or smaller and the 1280 for the big jobs.
Ian Johnston
Leading Member
Yup, I agree, the 1270 is 99% great! Fantastic photo quality. You will not be dissapointed!
Much slower under Win2k than Win98SE on same hardware I notice!
I have no intentions to change printers until I see more than 3000 dpi mentioned in specs (and paper).
Ian.
Much slower under Win2k than Win98SE on same hardware I notice!
I have no intentions to change printers until I see more than 3000 dpi mentioned in specs (and paper).
Ian.
androm
Well-known member
For pre-press color proofing, cd labels and general printing we use a Phaser 840DP solid wax duplex printer
pro: cheap to run, uses "photocopy" paper & cheap cd labels, fast, pantone certified, postscript, free black wax for life
con: dpi on the low side at 1200, eats wax if turned off and on again - so stays on 24x7
for print sales we use an Epson 2000P with premium A3+(13"x19") semigloss paper S041328
pro: best quality by far when purchased last year (imported from Germany to UK)
con: slow at full quality - uses a dedicated PC print spooler rw2k - stalled A3+ jobs are painful (never managed to get usb and network print spoolers not to stall on large jobs), eats ink flushing on startup -
so tend to batch min 10 prints at a time, ink expensive in UK - import from Germany mostly along with paper, always seem to be changing cartridges.
pro: cheap to run, uses "photocopy" paper & cheap cd labels, fast, pantone certified, postscript, free black wax for life
con: dpi on the low side at 1200, eats wax if turned off and on again - so stays on 24x7
for print sales we use an Epson 2000P with premium A3+(13"x19") semigloss paper S041328
pro: best quality by far when purchased last year (imported from Germany to UK)
con: slow at full quality - uses a dedicated PC print spooler rw2k - stalled A3+ jobs are painful (never managed to get usb and network print spoolers not to stall on large jobs), eats ink flushing on startup -
so tend to batch min 10 prints at a time, ink expensive in UK - import from Germany mostly along with paper, always seem to be changing cartridges.
androm
Well-known member
I ment to add (without starting a its not digital war) the shadow detail from
this printer from scanned medium format slide film is amazing but I have yet to see a digital camera image with enough "actual" bit depth (MF pro digital backs excluded) to stretch this printer. Phil was testing for bit depth at one time along with signal to noise but seems to have stopped on recent reviews which I think is a great shame) - just to bring the comment back to digital cameras...
this printer from scanned medium format slide film is amazing but I have yet to see a digital camera image with enough "actual" bit depth (MF pro digital backs excluded) to stretch this printer. Phil was testing for bit depth at one time along with signal to noise but seems to have stopped on recent reviews which I think is a great shame) - just to bring the comment back to digital cameras...
Barry Shulam
Active member
You will save a lot of money with a CIS system. I have been using a system for over 6 months not from http://www.inksupply.com and realy dig it. I was using an Epson 760 which is great but didnot provide the 13x19 prints so I purchased the 1270. Printing is not an issue anymore since ink is very reasonable now.
Also I have been using the equalizer program to reset the ink levels work very well
Wish you the best.
Should you have any problems email me.
Barry
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Paul Juhn
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I am very happy with HP970.
Since many of you here are talking about Epson 1270/80 and Canon S800,
Please someone who has HP 970 as well as Epson 1270 tell me about the experience.
Thanks!
Since many of you here are talking about Epson 1270/80 and Canon S800,
Please someone who has HP 970 as well as Epson 1270 tell me about the experience.
Thanks!
TBoyd
Leading Member
My experience is close to what you are asking for. I owned an HP 1220 cxi wide format printer, and sold it a couple of weeks after I bought the Epson 1280. The print comparisons of identical files (printed on Pictorico PGHG film) revealed very little difference to the naked eye.
If you look at an area of the prints using magnification, the Epson is clearly the winner.
What really sold me on the Epson 1280 is it's ability to produce borderless prints. -Not to mention the advantage of 6-color vs. 4-color printing.
TBoyd
J Niesner
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Had them both setting on my desk. Printed the same pciture on both printers, OEM inks and paper. I really could not tell a difference in print quality. But what I could tell is that I was always having to jack with the Epson. Twice as slow and always a problem. Boxed it up and sold it on E-bay about 6 weeks aftier I got it. Haven't looked back since. I would like to have a larger format.
good luck
John Niesner
good luck
John Niesner
Epson pro 5500 excellent print quality 2800dpi up to super A3 (good quality is the understatement of the year, but at £2500 uk pounds to buy) although far better in terms of life of ink cartridges and cost of running than a 2000P and IMHO better prints. Used for all fine prints of individual photographs sold in a gallery because of the 100 year archival life of print. Excellent build quality on this machine and NO ONE has ever complained of the quality it produces. Speed of print is excellent, due to a Dell server with gig of ram and 3x18gig scussi hard disks (one acting as a dedicated photoshop scratch disk - do not underestimate the validity of using a seperate scratch disk in photoshop for ease and speed of printing) Looking into purchasing a RIP tower to increase work flow.
Epson Stylus Colour 3000 - a good printer with again excellent print quality 1400dpi up to A2 (16inch by 23inch). Never used epson ink in this printer, always use lyson's quad black inks so I can print off giant A2 prints in glorious black and white with 100 year light fastness, again to sell individulal photographs in a gallery. For a just a 1400dpi resolution printer the A2 prints are great, this is a much ignored printer for some reason, probably because of build quality - which is chalk and cheese compared to the stout Epson 5500 pro. However for under £1000 uk pounds this is the db's if you need to produce A2 photographs for sale. Cannot coment on its print off in colour though as this is a dedicated black and white printer using lyson inks. By the way - if you want excellent lightfastness prints in a domestic printer like Epson, HP and Canon buy lyson inks instead of the manufacturers - these are truely outstanding and qive professional levels in terms of selling photos that will not fade.
HP Photosmart P1000 - a general A4 printer to print off contact pages and general ofice/wordprocesor documents such as letters. This is my second printer, first one went wrong in first three days - and now after just 14 months this one has gone the same way with the dreaded error messages - outside of warranty, naturaly
( I'm going to drop kick this one into the bin, good quality prints but reliability? . . . and go for the new canon S9000 not much money for a good quality sounding general purpose printer.
Epson Stylus Colour 3000 - a good printer with again excellent print quality 1400dpi up to A2 (16inch by 23inch). Never used epson ink in this printer, always use lyson's quad black inks so I can print off giant A2 prints in glorious black and white with 100 year light fastness, again to sell individulal photographs in a gallery. For a just a 1400dpi resolution printer the A2 prints are great, this is a much ignored printer for some reason, probably because of build quality - which is chalk and cheese compared to the stout Epson 5500 pro. However for under £1000 uk pounds this is the db's if you need to produce A2 photographs for sale. Cannot coment on its print off in colour though as this is a dedicated black and white printer using lyson inks. By the way - if you want excellent lightfastness prints in a domestic printer like Epson, HP and Canon buy lyson inks instead of the manufacturers - these are truely outstanding and qive professional levels in terms of selling photos that will not fade.
HP Photosmart P1000 - a general A4 printer to print off contact pages and general ofice/wordprocesor documents such as letters. This is my second printer, first one went wrong in first three days - and now after just 14 months this one has gone the same way with the dreaded error messages - outside of warranty, naturaly
( I'm going to drop kick this one into the bin, good quality prints but reliability? . . . and go for the new canon S9000 not much money for a good quality sounding general purpose printer.
J
John W.
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n.t.--John W
Stephen Cook
Senior Member
A3 paper size is 11.7"X16.5", or 297mmX420mm. I'm looking at a box of it right now. I do a lot of 8"X10" prints on it, and then trim it to 11"X14". It's my foolproof way of making sure the paper doesn't slide out of the matte, and I don't have to use photo tape to keep it behind the matte in an 11"X14" frame.
TBoyd
Leading Member
John:
You would like the HP 1220. It was very reliable, and it was faster. I have no complaints about the HP, except for an occasional paper feed problem.
No problems with the Epson so far.
TBoyd
You would like the HP 1220. It was very reliable, and it was faster. I have no complaints about the HP, except for an occasional paper feed problem.
No problems with the Epson so far.
TBoyd
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Paul Juhn
Guest
Could you compare the cost of ink for Epson and HP?
I don't think I need borderless feature - I just trim it.
(I always wonder why people need it? - Someone in this forum reported the clogging of ink because of this feature?)
under magnification, how much are the differences? absolutely no dots with Epson?
Thanks!
(I will soon need a large format printer like Epson 1280 or HP?)
I don't think I need borderless feature - I just trim it.
(I always wonder why people need it? - Someone in this forum reported the clogging of ink because of this feature?)
under magnification, how much are the differences? absolutely no dots with Epson?
Thanks!
(I will soon need a large format printer like Epson 1280 or HP?)
Bill too26877
Senior Member
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