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My letter to Sigma

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miketuthill said:
LMC54 said:
miketuthill said:
Boris said:
Retailers will stock what sells, Nikon +Canon mounts...why stock
something that will not sell?
Boris
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I have to face it and deal with it. I can't even get extension
tubes. I guess it's like owning a exotic car and hard to find parts.
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I voiced my opinion on here several months ago about the relative
lack of options/accessories for the Sigma and found that quite a
few folks here disagree with that assessment. I guess it depends
upon where you live and the dealers in your area unless you want to
do all your shopping over the net.
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I finally found some help at sigmadslr. The guy who owns the site will convert my Canon 50 f1.4 and my Canon 135L f2 to work fully with the SD10. Of course with a fee but worth it. Only thing is I have to wait until the SD14 arrives to make sure it will function with the new camera. I have my fingers crossed because the 135L is my favorite of all times and will make the Sigma sing! I won't convert my other canon lenses since I need those as is.
regards,
Larry

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LMC54 said:
LMC54 said:
LMC54 said:
I have to face it and deal with it. I can't even get extension
tubes. I guess it's like owning a exotic car and hard to find parts.
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I voiced my opinion on here several months ago about the relative
lack of options/accessories for the Sigma and found that quite a
few folks here disagree with that assessment. I guess it depends
upon where you live and the dealers in your area unless you want to
do all your shopping over the net.
Click to expand...
I finally found some help at sigmadslr. The guy who owns the site
will convert my Canon 50 f1.4 and my Canon 135L f2 to work fully
with the SD10. Of course with a fee but worth it. Only thing is I
have to wait until the SD14 arrives to make sure it will function
with the new camera. I have my fingers crossed because the 135L is
my favorite of all times and will make the Sigma sing!
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That's great!
LMC54 said:
I won't
convert my other canon lenses since I need those as is.
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Come on, where's your pioneer spirit:-)
 
miketuthill said:
LMC54 said:
miketuthill said:
miketuthill said:
I have to face it and deal with it. I can't even get extension
tubes. I guess it's like owning a exotic car and hard to find parts.
Click to expand...
I voiced my opinion on here several months ago about the relative
lack of options/accessories for the Sigma and found that quite a
few folks here disagree with that assessment. I guess it depends
upon where you live and the dealers in your area unless you want to
do all your shopping over the net.
Click to expand...
I finally found some help at sigmadslr. The guy who owns the site
will convert my Canon 50 f1.4 and my Canon 135L f2 to work fully
with the SD10. Of course with a fee but worth it. Only thing is I
have to wait until the SD14 arrives to make sure it will function
with the new camera. I have my fingers crossed because the 135L is
my favorite of all times and will make the Sigma sing!
Click to expand...
That's great!
miketuthill said:
I won't
convert my other canon lenses since I need those as is.
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Come on, where's your pioneer spirit:-)
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LOL... OK... I might later on ;)

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I am the very happy owner of a converted Canon 50mmf1.4. Sounds like the converted 135L would be very nice. Still, I am very tempted by the new 50-150. That combined with the 18-50 2.8 would seem a complete kit.

I guess I am a net shopper as well. I have never even approached a retail store about a Sigma camera, and I have bought my last three cameras on the net. I can only imagine the derisive looks you would get from the average camera salesman when you ask about the SD10, followed by: "You want to buy a what?" Personally, although I love to visit them, buying from retail stores is an irritating experience for me, in which the salesman gets to display his superior knowledge. (If he's that good, why isn't he famous?) and they still do not generally have what I want at a price near the net price.

In any event, the Sigma is for now a specialty item, and I hope for the company's sake that they will have a very popular new camera with the SD14, and sell a lot of lenses, so that Sigma does well and the products become more available. (Camera stores know their market, in theory at least. Or at least they think they know their market, which is not quite the same thing.) Whatever their faults and imperfections, Sigma had the courage and desire to innovate required to use the Foveon sensor and for that they have my gratitude and a measure of loyalty.
 
Boris said:
Retailers will stock what sells, Nikon +Canon mounts...why stock
something that will not sell?
Boris
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No reason. Why stock a lens in an obscure mount when your could stock the same lens in a popular mount?
 
Hi CHEBB,

I buy my lenses from Osaka, Japan and they require pre-payment before ordering the items, in case the buyer changes their mind and they are left with stock they cannot sell... so they say.
CHEBB said:
Hi Larry,
I've been pretty lucky, I've order from B&H, Adorama and through
ebay without any problems...unlike picking up the lenses locally
from dealers which are non existant in the Sigma mount and I live
in Japan... I'm probably the only person in Okinawa with an SD10...
Cheers!
Chebb
http://www.pbase.com/thechebb
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Gonçalo Lacerda-Machado
'A wolf in a sheep's skin and a sheep in a wolf's skin'
 
Don't forget there could be another aspect to this. Compared to the number of Canon and Nikon-mounted lenses Sigma is turning out every day, how many Sigma-mounted ones do you think they make. The volume produced must be related to the number of SA-mounted cameras that are out there, compared to the vast numbers of Canon and Nikon bodies.

If I remember correct, Sigma only built around 10.000 SD-10's. Compare that to the millions of EOS-xxx's and D-xxx's and you don't have to be a math genius to figure out why it's a lot easier and more profitable for dealers to stock lenses with C/N mount in stead of SA-mount.
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I love banging my head with a hammer...
...it feels so damn' great when I stop!
 
Boris said:
Retailers will stock what sells, Nikon +Canon mounts...why stock
something that will not sell?
Boris
--
http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
http://www.pbase.com/borysd
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The problem, at least in my area, is that the dealers will actually discourage customers from buying Sigma bodies. So this, "I'm not going to stock something that doesn't sell" in my area isn't the base problem. Of course Sigma isn't selling a lot. How can it when the dealers have to be basically forced to sell a Sigma body by the customer? High pressure sales people pushing potential first time Sigma buyers away from a Sigma will deter a lot of Sigma sales.

I have actually had camera sales people tell me that Sigma cameras are junk, then turn around say that Sigma's just don't sell because the camera I was looking at had been on the shelf for a year. Wow, I wonder why? If I hadn't done a lot of research on my own, didn't have a distinct predeliction for thinking on my own, and didn't understand what a value they are do you think I'd still be interested in buying a Sigma? The problem is with the dealer's attitudes towards Sigma cameras.
 
Freddy Freeloader said:
Boris said:
Retailers will stock what sells, Nikon +Canon mounts...why stock
something that will not sell?
Boris
--
http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
http://www.pbase.com/borysd
Click to expand...
The problem, at least in my area, is that the dealers will actually
discourage customers from buying Sigma bodies. So this, "I'm not
going to stock something that doesn't sell" in my area isn't the
base problem. Of course Sigma isn't selling a lot. How can it
when the dealers have to be basically forced to sell a Sigma body
by the customer? High pressure sales people pushing potential
first time Sigma buyers away from a Sigma will deter a lot of Sigma
sales.

I have actually had camera sales people tell me that Sigma cameras
are junk, then turn around say that Sigma's just don't sell because
the camera I was looking at had been on the shelf for a year. Wow,
I wonder why? If I hadn't done a lot of research on my own, didn't
have a distinct predeliction for thinking on my own, and didn't
understand what a value they are do you think I'd still be
interested in buying a Sigma? The problem is with the dealer's
attitudes towards Sigma cameras.
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This question is not actually directed to you but what you say is very good but adds to my point.

Do you think I'm wrong for wanting Sigma to sell directly to users of SDxx since retailers avoid resale of SDxx cameras and items? The way I feel since sales of SDxx cameras and related items don't have mass appeal it should give SDxx users special treatment. I know many manufactuers such as Epson, Kodak, Apple, Sony and others sell direct to customers to insure they get what they want. I don't see why Sigma couldn't do the same.
regards,
Larry

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LMC54 said:
Freddy Freeloader said:
Boris said:
Retailers will stock what sells, Nikon +Canon mounts...why stock
something that will not sell?
Boris
--
http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
http://www.pbase.com/borysd
Click to expand...
The problem, at least in my area, is that the dealers will actually
discourage customers from buying Sigma bodies. So this, "I'm not
going to stock something that doesn't sell" in my area isn't the
base problem. Of course Sigma isn't selling a lot. How can it
when the dealers have to be basically forced to sell a Sigma body
by the customer? High pressure sales people pushing potential
first time Sigma buyers away from a Sigma will deter a lot of Sigma
sales.

I have actually had camera sales people tell me that Sigma cameras
are junk, then turn around say that Sigma's just don't sell because
the camera I was looking at had been on the shelf for a year. Wow,
I wonder why? If I hadn't done a lot of research on my own, didn't
have a distinct predeliction for thinking on my own, and didn't
understand what a value they are do you think I'd still be
interested in buying a Sigma? The problem is with the dealer's
attitudes towards Sigma cameras.
Click to expand...
This question is not actually directed to you but what you say is
very good but adds to my point.

Do you think I'm wrong for wanting Sigma to sell directly to users
of SDxx since retailers avoid resale of SDxx cameras and items? The
way I feel since sales of SDxx cameras and related items don't have
mass appeal it should give SDxx users special treatment. I know
many manufactuers such as Epson, Kodak, Apple, Sony and others sell
direct to customers to insure they get what they want. I don't see
why Sigma couldn't do the same.
regards,
Larry

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http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting/showgallery.php?ppuser=235&cat=500
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If the dealers are discouraging Sigma product sales why shouldn't Sigma sell direct? I don't see why not. The dealers I've dealt with are so anti-Sigma to begin with why would they care? Maybe if Sigma did open their own retail/wholesale online sales site they would sell a lot more cameras and lenses. I tend to think that they would as more and more people shop online these days anyway and no one at Sigma would be trying to talk them out of what they want..

I know that when I'm ready to buy I will buy online. I'll be forced to just to find the products I choose. I already buy all my technical books online as there are no bookstores in my area that have a decent selection of technical books so a camera would be no different.
 
Larry, I'm sure that intelligent persons at Sigma have been giving a good deal of thought to contemporary means of making their new gems visible and available to those who want them.

This will likely not include torpedoing the retail and web-retail sellers.

On the other hand, so-called 'channel' relationships are a hot-and-heavy matter always, and the salesmen will have to see that SA-mount cameras and therefore SA-mount lenses are again valuable to stock.

It's a practical thing, then, and I am sure it is at top attention. Perhaps we will see some interesting means -- once there is an announcement.

I think you guys have also forgotten here completely that Sigma closed the pipe on cameras of interest, quite a few months ago. Would you yourself have stocked a lot of high-end SA lenses at the moment, in that case?

Let's all show a little patience and dignity, and give the Sigma and Foveon team theirs.

Agree?

Clive
LMC54 said:
Freddy Freeloader said:
Boris said:
Retailers will stock what sells, Nikon +Canon mounts...why stock
something that will not sell?
Boris
--
http://public.fotki.com/borysd/
http://www.pbase.com/borysd
Click to expand...
The problem, at least in my area, is that the dealers will actually
discourage customers from buying Sigma bodies. So this, "I'm not
going to stock something that doesn't sell" in my area isn't the
base problem. Of course Sigma isn't selling a lot. How can it
when the dealers have to be basically forced to sell a Sigma body
by the customer? High pressure sales people pushing potential
first time Sigma buyers away from a Sigma will deter a lot of Sigma
sales.

I have actually had camera sales people tell me that Sigma cameras
are junk, then turn around say that Sigma's just don't sell because
the camera I was looking at had been on the shelf for a year. Wow,
I wonder why? If I hadn't done a lot of research on my own, didn't
have a distinct predeliction for thinking on my own, and didn't
understand what a value they are do you think I'd still be
interested in buying a Sigma? The problem is with the dealer's
attitudes towards Sigma cameras.
Click to expand...
This question is not actually directed to you but what you say is
very good but adds to my point.

Do you think I'm wrong for wanting Sigma to sell directly to users
of SDxx since retailers avoid resale of SDxx cameras and items? The
way I feel since sales of SDxx cameras and related items don't have
mass appeal it should give SDxx users special treatment. I know
many manufactuers such as Epson, Kodak, Apple, Sony and others sell
direct to customers to insure they get what they want. I don't see
why Sigma couldn't do the same.
regards,
Larry

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http://www.fredmiranda.com/hosting/showgallery.php?ppuser=235&cat=500
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