Sony H5 vrs Canon S3 IS

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Does anyone have experience with these two cameras and can make a recommendation one way or the other? The reviews seem to be a wash on both cameras. I am trying to decide which to purchase.

I like the fold-away LCD on the Canon and its flash hot shoe. I like the 3" LCD on the H5, but am not in love with its viewfinder image. Sony apparently has the edge in lens quality.

Another have experience or thoughts?
 
Decide which slight edges are important to you and purchase that camera. Sony as a rule uses more in camera processing with a more vivid sharpened image, Canon is usually a little truer to the scene but sometimes that can be a little unflattering. The Canon doesn't have a hot shoe BTW.
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I had the same dilemma as you. I am a long time Canon DSLR owner but wanted a compact super-zoom to carry when I didn't need or want to carry the "big guns"! After reading a bunch of reviews, it was a toss-up but I opted for the SONY. Bought it, took it home, played with it for about an hour, and took it back and exchanged it for the S3 IS. Reasons: I preferred the swing-out LCD; I preferred the Canon IS system; the 3" LCD panel felt too big...sometimes bigger isn't better, as it was in my case. I also didn't like the memory options for the Sony. We already have cameras in this household that use the SD cards. Don't get me wrong...the Sony is a superb camera, but for my purposes, I opted for the Canon.

Chris
 
I just had the same dilemma and went with the S3 IS to replace my EOS350D as a travel/carry camera. For me the one-button stereo movie mode, high-speed burst w/large buffer and swing-out LCD was paramount.

I just returned from a vacation and couldn't be happier with the results. 3gb of pics and movies with only one battery change. So much easier than lugging my DSLR and IS lenses to cover the same zoom range - plus great looking & sounding movies!
 
number of us had a fruitful series of postings on this very topic. See the threads titled "P&S Cams: Canon S3 IS versus Sony DCS H5" starting August 28 if you haven't already found them.
Hope this helps.
Alex
 
Thanks to all for them many insightful and helpful comments. I will also try and find the referenced discussion on this topic. The search engine on the site seems to be down.
 
Does anyone have experience with these two cameras and can make a
recommendation one way or the other? The reviews seem to be a wash
on both cameras. I am trying to decide which to purchase.

I like the fold-away LCD on the Canon and its flash hot shoe. I
like the 3" LCD on the H5, but am not in love with its viewfinder
image. Sony apparently has the edge in lens quality.

Another have experience or thoughts?
This link takes you to a direct review pitting these camera against each other.

http://www.digitalcamerainfo.com/content/Panasonic-FZ7--Canon-S3-IS-Sony-H5---Head-to-Head-to-Head-Review.htm
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Bob,
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Bob, thanks for the link. Now I am REALLY confused! I think I need to get my hands on the Canon and the Panasonic and try them out in a store, although the poor noise test of the Panasonic almost rules it out for me.

I put a high premium on the fold-out LCD. That may be the deal breaker for me. I used this all the time with my 717 Sony that died.
 
I am on this forum because I am interested in the sd800is. I noticed your thread and I can comment on the H5 I got my wife a few months ago. She had new camera lust since her last camera is a tiny 2mp Sony with a tiny 3/4" lcd.

My experience with Digital cameras is extensive (Or expensive take your pick)

The H5 is a plasticky, lite cheap feeling camera. The ergonomics are good, however I hate having to flip a a switch between the LCD and viewfinder. I hate the fact that when I have the camera in the long tele mode I find it defaulting to the wide angle setting. Also I do not like memory sticks.

That said the cameras pluses in my mind are:

Tack sharp lens.

Great flash.

Wonderful giant LCD.

Easy to carry due to plastic construction.

Camera uses 2 AA batteries, I wish it used a full size Lion as does my G series P&S. Some may find this a plus, but you must carry plenty of spare bateries for a long outing of shooting.

Output is as noted sharp, contrasty and vivid colors as Sony is noted for. A perfect camera for people that do not post process.

Still, I find the wide end not wide enough. I do a lot of indoor shoots and I need my 12-24mm on my D200. (This is why I am looking at the 800is for myself. I wish someone made a superwide P&S that got decent press.)
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If you plan on taking a lot of video I say go with the S3. The flip/swivel LCD is almost essential for videos, that's why nearly all camcorders have them.

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I am on this forum because I am interested in the sd800is. I
noticed your thread and I can comment on the H5 I got my wife a few
months ago. She had new camera lust since her last camera is a
tiny 2mp Sony with a tiny 3/4" lcd.

My experience with Digital cameras is extensive (Or expensive take
your pick)

The H5 is a plasticky, lite cheap feeling camera.
Sorry but that is your personal and quite irrelevant observation .. I've had the opportunity to get "the feel" (and handle) of both cameras at the same time, one in each hand and oh boy ! .. they feel exactly the same .. ergo if you close yr eyes and someone would put one of them in each of your hands you wouldn't be able to tell what is what even if your life depended on it .. and BTW some people would even tell you that a camera body felt "cheap and plasticky" even it the body was made in titanium and kevlar .. so ???
FWIW
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I heard following about S3 IS

1. It has a defect called E18. I heard it for the first time on another forum. What is that?

2. I heard that S3 caputures video in uncompressed AVI formet which eats up 2 MB for just 1 sec. Is that so?

3. Is zooming pozzible in anyone of the 2 models while video shooting?
 
Too bad about your 717 ... if it's the LCD that died, there is a Sony repair program that might take care of it for free. Ask aroiund at the Sony forum.

I also have a 717 and was looking for a superzoom in addition. I was just about to get the H5 when I took a final look at it in the store. I found that the control layout just didn't feel comfortable for me (a very subjective evaluation). I then picked up the S3 and found it to be very comfortable. I read quite a few comments from H5 owners that said you get used to it, you hold this finger there and that one here, etc. Well, with the S3, it just felt natural. That, together with the swivel LCD (I'd certainly miss the 717 swivel with the H5) convinced me to get the S3. After 1100 shots on vacation, I'm happy with it.

They're both great cameras and I suspect the image quality may be a bit better on the H5, but you really need to try them both hands-on to decide.
 
based on the reviews on this site, the lens on the s3 is far superior to the lens on the h5. just look at how the image falls apart when you get away from the center of the frame with the h5. the s3 stays sharper throughout the frame.

each camera handles high iso noise differently and i much prefer the s3's approach. i'd rather see a nice noise pattern along with image detail than have the camera smooth the image unnaturally. at 800, the canon looks much nicer to my eyes. yes, it's noisy, but it looks more natural than the h5. i also prefer the look of the canon at lower sensitivities, too. can't explain it, it just looks better to me.

the movie mode on the s3 is better. the clips take up a bit more space on your memory card (roughly 12 minutes vs. 9 minutes per GB of storage) but that means higher quality/fewer compression artifacts. if you plan on manipulating the video afterwards, you want the highest quality you can get. although the s3 is far from uncompressed dv, it works for fun movies, which is exactly what these cameras are about: fun!
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1. It has a defect called E18. I heard it for the first time on
another forum. What is that?
If you knock the lens, it can come out of alignment and this produce the error 18. Knocking the lens of other makes could cause a similar problem. With both the S3 and the H5 you can install an adapter to mount filters and protect the lens from side knocks.
2. I heard that S3 caputures video in uncompressed AVI formet which
eats up 2 MB for just 1 sec. Is that so?
It is not uncompressed AVI. It is Mjpeg. Jpeg is naturally compressed, as you might know. Mjpeg is a sequence of jpeg, without any cross-frame compression. H5 used MPEG1, an old compression format of poor quality, with a lot of cross-frame compression that makes video editing difficult.

The S3 can store 8 minutes per GB (2MB per sec) while the H5 can store 12 minutes per GB (1.4 MB per sec). So both take a lot of space. The S3 is far superior in quality, as most reviewers have noted. The S3 produces video quality comparable, if not better, than standard DV camcorders.
3. Is zooming pozzible in anyone of the 2 models while video shooting?
Yes, with both.

Frank
 
Thanks to all who have given comments. Many of these brought up issues I had not thought of or was not aware of.

I just returned from handling the S3 IS, the H5, and the Panasonic FZ7. Let me start with a disclaimer. The difference between these cameras is not substantial enough to merit a clear choice based on specifications or camera layout. I could buy any one of them and be happy. It's time to choose and I'm about ready for a decision.

First, the FZ7. What a pity Panasonic decided to put such a noisy transducer behind such nice optics! All of the reviews talk about the noise in the Panasonic images. Apparently, it starts becoming a problem even at ISO 100. So, I just eliminated the camera based on that. I am making some archival pictures, and I don't want to have to post-process noise on all of them. Having said that, the little FZ7 is really sweet in the hands. It is significantly smaller than the S3 or the H5. The controls layout seemed convenient, and the setup menu seemed to be very logical. I found the viewfinder to be more than bright, although it actually blew out the highlights when viewing objects in the store. Likewise, the LCD screen seemed bright and very useable. However, I have large hands and I sometimes felt myself fumbling and missing buttons. Maybe the most compact camera is not the best for me. I would probably have chosen the F7 if it were not for the noise issue.

The S3. I liked everything about this camera except the controls. The salesperson and I struggled to find out how to display images, how to determine that the camera was telling us it was out of power, and what the various buttons on the back of the camera were for. Now, I am sure that if you are a previous Canon owner, you would know this. And, I am sure that after 2 hours with the manual, I would feel more comfortable. Still, some controls up on the barrel of the camera seemed way out of place, at least for me. The viewfinder was nice (bigger and nicer than the H5), and the image was bright. Handling of the camera was comfortable.

The H5. Well, some have dissed the large LCD, but I liked it. It was large and bright (at least in the store ... does it have a brightness control?? didn't notice). The viewfinder was probably the least prefered of the 3 cameras, but it seemed useable. I loved some aspects of the display, like how it displays the meaning of the selection of the main rotating knob on the top of the camera. I also felt comfortable with the menu display, probably because of my familiarity with the DSC 717. I didn't try the flash, but it is supposed to have a longer range than the other two cameras. A previous comment by one respondent that the S3 has superior resolution is just not borne out by head-to-head tests of the two cameras, although in-camera sharpening and consideration of edge resolution does make the comparison a bit more difficult. (i.e., I don't think resolution is a separator of these two cameras ... the Panasonic actually wins this game!).

I thought the swing-out LCD would be the deal-breaker for me with the S3. After I looked at it, I don't think it matters that much. I won't be using this camera for video except in an emergency, so I discount the advantages of the S3 in this area. Still the swing-out LCD was a real asset on the 717, but the S3's LCD is so small I am not sure I could do much focusing and composing with it, anyway. The longer battery life of the S3 is an advantage, admittedly.

Right now I am leaning toward the H5 based mainly on my comfort with the camera in the store (vrs. discomfort with the Canon), and the things mentioned above. I may change my mind based on the prices I get when I start shopping, but right now it is going to be the H5.

I also agree with others who have written in and said, "It is not about the camera, but about taking pictures!" I agree! Get a camera and take the time to learn to use it so it doesn't get in the way of the photography. I'm just a slightly obsessive-compulsive engineer who wants to make sure I don't buy a technical pig-in-a-poke spec!!
 
At this price-point, it shouldn't be a life-altering decision...it's just a camera and not a terrbly expensive one at that. But you don't have to explain yourself about being slightly obsessive...I think we all are to some degree. Ultimately it all boils down to personal preference, and what works for one may not work for someone else. It certainly sounds like you've done your homework. Now just buy it, and go make great images!

Chris
 
based on the reviews on this site, the lens on the s3 is far
superior to the lens on the h5. just look at how the image falls
apart when you get away from the center of the frame with the h5.
the s3 stays sharper throughout the frame.
snip ..

Are you sure about what you state ? based on the reviews on this site here is my finding ..

Unless their reviews are inconsistent this very site gives you the following in resolution
H5 Vertical resolution 1550 LPH with extinction at 2000 LPH
S3 V 1450 LPH with extinction at 1850 LPH

Now you are going to tell me that the lens is not keeping up with the sensor to produce this sort of resolution figures ?
come on, pull the other one it has bells on it :-)

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i have never in my life looked at a resolution chart or the results from photographing one :)

i was just comparing the sample still life setup photos on the h5 review from this site. based on those photos, the edges of the images show that the lens on the s3 is better.

as for image noise, i just look at the photos as well. i don't care about the graphs that attempt to objectively show which has less noise. less noise generally means a more smoothed out appearance, which i don't like. just my personal taste :) for the record, i'm not turned off by film grain, either, as long as the image is sharp!
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