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Hi

Does anyone know if the new M8 sensor has an anti-alias filter? The Module-R didn't, and this can lead to serious moire patterns.

Brian
 
The effect of the filter is surposed to be taken acare of with software. Not sure if it is in the camera but would suspect so.

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It does not, as we pointed out in our preview.
BrianPriceUK said:
Hi
Does anyone know if the new M8 sensor has an anti-alias filter? The
Module-R didn't, and this can lead to serious moire patterns.

Brian
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Thank you, Phil. I missed it in the Camera review, and it wasn't mentioned in the Kodak press release on the chip.

Brian
 
I guarantee you that in use, the lack of an AA filter is almost insignificant. I have a couple of the Kodak FF cameras with no AA filters. Seldom (practically never) does a AA related artifact impact on my photos in the least. And these Kodaks are using cheaper non-Kodak made sensors. A rare teeny-tiny bit of moire is (in my opinion) more acceptable than grain (from film) when you consider the large print sizes needed to see it.

McCluney Commercial Photography
 
would for me be the single most significant selling point of the M8...

The difference between an AA fitted EOS1DSmkII and an Imacon or Phase One 16mp digiback is staggering even when disregarding the much higher dynamic range=)
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as an ex-ownder of the slr/c I second that. never had a serious Morie problem. who is going to do fashion photography in controlled light with the M8? I do not. but many people even do that with a no AA digital back with great results. the Kodak made me think that the AA idea was over used as a mere result of physical consideraions rather than by looking at actual photos. many people prefer the old 1D look, the 1Ds and these two cameras are always mentioned for their sharpter images and higher micro-contrast. it is something that was not achieved with the newer 1D cameras. It is, apparently, a result of the weaker AA.
Gene E. McCluney said:
I guarantee you that in use, the lack of an AA filter is almost
insignificant. I have a couple of the Kodak FF cameras with no AA
filters. Seldom (practically never) does a AA related artifact
impact on my photos in the least. And these Kodaks are using
cheaper non-Kodak made sensors. A rare teeny-tiny bit of moire is
(in my opinion) more acceptable than grain (from film) when you
consider the large print sizes needed to see it.

McCluney Commercial Photography
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You can get moire with the DMR, but it's not as common as you might believe. Even with fabrics and repetitive textures it needs to be tickled just the right way. And both FlexColor and C1 have moire filters. I've seen moire with Canon cameras too, which is somewhat surprising given their low resolving power (per pixel count).
 
not my experiance with the Kodak, I reckon nearly every picture I took had moire and xmas lights. My subjects were mostly buildings, on landscape type pictures the problem was small. The way it handled railings and white lines is the reason I shoot Canon now.

I think Leica has tamed it well on the DMR, I have not heard of any big issues, so I hope the M8 is at least as good.
But no AA on the Kodak was a huge problem for me.

Kevin
 
dd u have the 14n or the slr?
KAllen said:
not my experiance with the Kodak, I reckon nearly every picture I
took had moire and xmas lights. My subjects were mostly buildings,
on landscape type pictures the problem was small. The way it
handled railings and white lines is the reason I shoot Canon now.
I think Leica has tamed it well on the DMR, I have not heard of any
big issues, so I hope the M8 is at least as good.
But no AA on the Kodak was a huge problem for me.

Kevin
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KAllen said:
not my experiance with the Kodak, I reckon nearly every picture I
took had moire and xmas lights. My subjects were mostly buildings,
on landscape type pictures the problem was small. The way it
handled railings and white lines is the reason I shoot Canon now.
I think Leica has tamed it well on the DMR, I have not heard of any
big issues, so I hope the M8 is at least as good.
But no AA on the Kodak was a huge problem for me.
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You must have had a 14/n. And, you must not have been shooting raw, and developing your raw files in Adobe Camera Raw. The SLR/n and SLR/c with latest firmware is what I was referring to.

As with all "pro" level cameras, how you work your files has a big effect on final results.

McCluney Commercial Photography
 
SLR/n, it's now having a £1k repair done at Fixation then it's up for sale. The Kodak is a great camera capable of producing results as good as any DSLR, it just takes a lot of work sometimes. I don't have that time as I shoot professionaly.

Kevin.
 
Sorry but it is the SLR/n I only shoot RAW, if I use Adobe I get green edges that have to be fixed, but few xmas tree lights, (still get moire), if I use Kodak software no green edges but xmas tree lights all over the place and moire. They can all be fixed to a greater or lesser degree, but when you have 300+ files to sort and get to various clients in a hurry, the joke wares very thin. Add in the magenta tinge to highlights and many long nights are instore.
All the Kodaks bad press and problems came from not having the AA filter.

I have some great pictures from the Kodak, as a tool for a busy pro shooting in large batches it just can't cope.

If you shoot landscapes it's great, if you can use the 6iso it could be the best DSLR still around.

Kevin.
 
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