d200 or eosd5

looking too purchase a new camera i just don't know which way to go could any of you help me on choosing ? i mostly shoot outdoors and weddings. thank you

What actually make you think these two cameras will suit you?

Nothig personal but I think these two cameras have been out for such a long time that it's been well discussed both in Nikon and Canon Forum. If you do a search there will be thousands of threads on this subject.

Also, not much input from you either and so how can people help?

5d
+ much better high ISO performance because there's less noise
+ FF means your lenses are probably a lifetime investment as opposed to DX

D200
+ Better build and control layout
+ 5fps vs 3fps
+ Built in flash -- comes in handy a lot
+ Almost half the price, allowing you to buy a 17-55 2.8

You just have to decide which you value more. It's an endless debate for me.

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Stuff I own in my profile.

Well nothing is stopping you from buying non-DX lenses on the D200.

Actually, the 5D.. that's one of its disadvantages. It can't use EF-S lenses. But however, nothing is stopping you from putting any old EF lens on a 30D.

wait untill after photokina.. rumours on the mill are:

1) D200-based Fuji DSLR
2) Canon 40D with DIGIC III

Photokina starts on the 26th.

carlyam said:

looking too purchase a new camera i just don't know which way to go
could any of you help me on choosing ? i mostly shoot outdoors and
weddings. thank you

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...and if you wait another half year, they'll come out with the D300 and the D4 and in another half year, you'll get 12 megapixel for only $1200.... 10 years later: you're still waiting and haven't bought anything. No offense, but waiting doesn't make sense in these days, where technology doubles (and effective prices half) in about 24 months.... You want to take photos now, not in 4 months (when the new releases from Photokina propagate through to the stores)

If you have the budget, my recommendation is to take the better camera, which is clearly the 5D with full-frame sensor. But then again...: what do you really need?

My standard advise to people in doubt is this:

1) Set a budget and stick to it (below your and your wife's pain threshold)

2) Make a list of what you need. For example, if you start from scratch, you'll need a lot of peripherals. Since you are contemplating between Nikon and Canon, I assume you don't have existing lenses. That (and a flash for the 5D) will add a lot of money.... But even if you upgrade from a D70 with 18-70 to a D200 with 18-200 mm lens, you need: a 2nd battery, a new set of your favorite filters (polarizer, graduated ND, ....), possibly a new bag, definitely a new memory card and that adds up quickly to $400 for the cheapest choices!

3) Subtract the amount in (2) from item (1) and then see what your budget will allow for.

4) If it still allows for a choice between the two: lucky you. Read reviews and features on dpreview.com, then flip a coin.

How's that?

If we knew what we are doing, it wouldn't be called science, would it? (A. Einstein)

Jurgen M Lobert said:

...and if you wait another half year, they'll come out with the
D300 and the D4 and in another half year, you'll get 12 megapixel
for only $1200.... 10 years later: you're still waiting and haven't
bought anything. No offense, but waiting doesn't make sense in
these days, where technology doubles (and effective prices half) in
about 24 months.... You want to take photos now, not in 4 months
(when the new releases from Photokina propagate through to the
stores)

If you have the budget, my recommendation is to take the better
camera, which is clearly the 5D with full-frame sensor.

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Its not better at all if you need the speed of 5 fps or the reach of the 1.5 DX format (the higher pixel density of the D200).

But then

Jurgen M Lobert said:

again...: what do you really need?

My standard advise to people in doubt is this:

1) Set a budget and stick to it (below your and your wife's pain
threshold)

2) Make a list of what you need. For example, if you start from
scratch, you'll need a lot of peripherals. Since you are
contemplating between Nikon and Canon, I assume you don't have
existing lenses. That (and a flash for the 5D) will add a lot of
money.... But even if you upgrade from a D70 with 18-70 to a D200
with 18-200 mm lens, you need: a 2nd battery, a new set of your
favorite filters (polarizer, graduated ND, ....), possibly a new
bag, definitely a new memory card and that adds up quickly to $400
for the cheapest choices!

3) Subtract the amount in (2) from item (1) and then see what your
budget will allow for.

4) If it still allows for a choice between the two: lucky you. Read
reviews and features on dpreview.com, then flip a coin.

How's that?


If we knew what we are doing, it wouldn't be called science, would
it? (A. Einstein)

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Jurgen M Lobert said:

...and if you wait another half year, they'll come out with the
D300 and the D4 and in another half year, you'll get 12 megapixel
for only $1200.... 10 years later: you're still waiting and haven't
bought anything. No offense, but waiting doesn't make sense in
these days, where technology doubles (and effective prices half) in
about 24 months.... You want to take photos now, not in 4 months
(when the new releases from Photokina propagate through to the
stores)

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Ok Jurgen, no need to be sarcastic. I was suggesting that he wait a week for the annoucements, evaluate the specs, then make his descision.

Jurgen M Lobert said:

If you have the budget, my recommendation is to take the better
camera, which is clearly the 5D with full-frame sensor. But then
again...: what do you really need?

My standard advise to people in doubt is this:

1) Set a budget and stick to it (below your and your wife's pain
threshold)

2) Make a list of what you need. For example, if you start from
scratch, you'll need a lot of peripherals. Since you are
contemplating between Nikon and Canon, I assume you don't have
existing lenses. That (and a flash for the 5D) will add a lot of
money.... But even if you upgrade from a D70 with 18-70 to a D200
with 18-200 mm lens, you need: a 2nd battery, a new set of your
favorite filters (polarizer, graduated ND, ....), possibly a new
bag, definitely a new memory card and that adds up quickly to $400
for the cheapest choices!

3) Subtract the amount in (2) from item (1) and then see what your
budget will allow for.

4) If it still allows for a choice between the two: lucky you. Read
reviews and features on dpreview.com, then flip a coin.

How's that?


If we knew what we are doing, it wouldn't be called science, would
it? (A. Einstein)

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... this one and another one in 5D forum.

My opinion:
I'm in love with D200 system.

For the price of the body of the Canon D5, you can buy one D200 + one MBD200 + two ENEL3e + one AF zoom 18-200VR with UV filter + one SB800 + one 4Gb CF card.

Good light, nothing more cares.

Alejandro Daz del Ro Fery said:

For the price of the body of the Canon D5, you can buy one D200 +
one MBD200 + two ENEL3e + one AF zoom 18-200VR with UV filter + one
SB800 + one 4Gb CF card.

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The above statement is pure fantasy - there is no way you can buy all that for the price of a Canon 5D. Please get your facts right as people here read this sort of rubbish and believe it.

Canon 5D body (warehouseexpress.co.uk) £1599

Nikon D200 Body £1069
MBD200 £149
2 ENEL3e £49.99 each
18-200VR £489 (if you can get one!!)
Filter £10
SB800 £269
4Gb card £165 (Sandisk 4GB Extreme III)

Total £2250.98 for the above. NOT the same price at all.

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PerL said:

Its not better at all if you need the speed of 5 fps or the reach
of the 1.5 DX format (the higher pixel density of the D200).

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The OP said they would use it for weddings and outdoors. Unless you need 1.5DX (OP didn't say - but the D50 would do or the EOS400D), and 5fps (again 30D would do with money left over), then the IQ of the 5D coupled with the superb high ISO performance is IMO clearly better suited to the OP's needs. And is also what you are paying for in the Canon - IQ, high ISO performance and full frame.
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Dear carl,

Hi there I have a d200 and shoot weddings, I had no choice I have 7 lenses and 3 flashes, so changing was not really an option, but I am considering, for a reason, time.

I have played with a friends camera and to be quite honest the jpeg and contrast, stuff is better, straight from the camera so would save hours of time. The raw files from the d200 are great but to sift through them in acr takes ages, it would save me hours if I could just use the jpegs and then just use raw to rescue ones that have not quite worked out.

I await the new fuji with glee, maybe good for jpegs. The 5fps is great for the confetti bit though.

cheers

brummie
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brummie said:

Dear carl,

Hi there I have a d200 and shoot weddings, I had no choice I have 7
lenses and 3 flashes, so changing was not really an option, but I
am considering, for a reason, time.

I have played with a friends camera and to be quite honest the jpeg
and contrast, stuff is better, straight from the camera so would
save hours of time. The raw files from the d200 are great but to
sift through them in acr takes ages, it would save me hours if I
could just use the jpegs and then just use raw to rescue ones that
have not quite worked out.

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I use a D2x and a 5d for low light work. I can't get the same vibe with the 5d especially when shooting jpegs compared to the D2x. Anything over 800 iso I'll go the Canon, it's a toss-up between 400 and 800 - below 400 iso I'll almost always use the D2x. From what I've heard the D200 should be pretty good, although the up-coming Fuji sounds promising.

Here's a jpeg from a D2x which has been resized in PS. You should be able to get a similar result from your D200.

I only know prices from shops at the street (VigoFoto, El Corte Inglés.. ), where you can touch what you buy.

Uv B+W 43 €
D200 1595 €
ENEL3e 67 € (only 1, another bat. with body)
XtrIII 1Gb 90 €
18-200VR 815 €
SB200 495 €
MBD200 169 €
Total 3274 €

I do'nt know the exactly price of canon 5D, but I can remember about 3300 € (I repeat, in the street shops).

Regards.
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Good light.

eric_j_h said:

PerL said:

Its not better at all if you need the speed of 5 fps or the reach
of the 1.5 DX format (the higher pixel density of the D200).

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The OP said they would use it for weddings and outdoors. Unless you
need 1.5DX (OP didn't say - but the D50 would do or the EOS400D),
and 5fps (again 30D would do with money left over), then the IQ of
the 5D coupled with the superb high ISO performance is IMO clearly
better suited to the OP's needs. And is also what you are paying
for in the Canon - IQ, high ISO performance and full frame.

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This is why I suggested to wait for Fuji's announcement.. the S3 is a excellent wedding cam and if they put it in a D200 body it would be killer.

eric_j_h said:

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Yesterday, at the same shop, the price of 5D body was exactly 2895€, (-400€).
OK, I change the pack:

The 5D body has the price of Pack D200+18-70, 1 ENEL3e more (2), MBD200, SB800 and 4Gb CF.

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Good light.

In Singapore:
D200: S$2550
MBD-200: S$230
1xEN-EL3e: S$85
SB-800: S$630
4GB 150x Ridata: S$160
18-200VR: S$1350
1UV Filter: S$80 (say a good quality one)
Total: S$5065

5D body only: S$5400-5500

I love Nikon but we have to admit that 5D is superior to D200...This is it, however D200 is also superior to 30D ...this goes on like that but the only thing I agree with people here is, there is nearly no reason to pay more for 5D instead of D200 (except having $$$ canon gear from the past)because there are not much big difference between the two... It is also correct that you may have a full gear set with D200 instead of canon 5D body only. You only need discerning eyes, both of the camera are capable for good photos...

Good luck,
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Nikon D70s
Nikkor18-70mm, 55-200mm, 50mm f/1.8D
Tokina 12-24, SB 800, B+W Circular Polarizers

Well, Canon is a lot more agressive price wise here in Germany; thanks to their 300 euro rebate offer, an EOS5D with 24-105L lens costs about 3100 euro, vs a Nikon D200 with 17-55 lens at 3000 euro. Not much difference here. Of course, the 17-55 is f/2.8 but the Canon has wider range on both ends and IS.