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People have expressed concern over the speed of PBase as well as a concern for non broadbanders to be able to view images in a timely fashion. I propose the following as a possible solution to both issues:

I have a commercial grade server available to me that is currently on a t-3. There are in excess of 58 GIGs available on a RAID array, so space is not an issue. For non-techies, that means fast connection to the internet. If people are interested, this server could be used for the hosting of STF Challenges. The software I propose to use would be gallery, which Jimmy Chen recently brought to my attention.

This great piece of software has the added benefit of automatically generating thumbnails, plus the ability to show a reduced size picture, and then the full size image if you click on it again. This feature could satisfy both low bandwidth and high bandwidth clients. I currently have a few photos on an installation running on the webserver in my house. Bandwith there is only a 768kbps SDSL line, so while I could probably host it there, several people uploading at once could seriously cut into my downstream.

If anyone is interested in trying the site out for posting purposes, I'll gladly create an account. For the rest of the business day however I can only receive e-mail at [email protected](I need to set my e-mail client to leave mail on the server for a couple days.)

In any event if anyone is interested in checking it out here's the link:

http://66.92.238.45/gallery/

MikeD
 
Michael DeWane said:
People have expressed concern over the speed of PBase as well as a
concern for non broadbanders to be able to view images in a timely
fashion. I propose the following as a possible solution to both
issues:

I have a commercial grade server available to me that is currently
on a t-3. There are in excess of 58 GIGs available on a RAID array,
so space is not an issue. For non-techies, that means fast
connection to the internet. If people are interested, this server
could be used for the hosting of STF Challenges. The software I
propose to use would be gallery, which Jimmy Chen recently brought
to my attention.
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This is very interesting. A T3 and a raid based server would give great results.

David.--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
 
That sounds awfully good.
Tell me, who would you connect to?
Any issues there?

Homer
David Pichevin said:
Michael DeWane said:
People have expressed concern over the speed of PBase as well as a
concern for non broadbanders to be able to view images in a timely
fashion. I propose the following as a possible solution to both
issues:

I have a commercial grade server available to me that is currently
on a t-3. There are in excess of 58 GIGs available on a RAID array,
so space is not an issue. For non-techies, that means fast
connection to the internet. If people are interested, this server
could be used for the hosting of STF Challenges. The software I
propose to use would be gallery, which Jimmy Chen recently brought
to my attention.
Click to expand...
This is very interesting. A T3 and a raid based server would give
great results.

David.
--
My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
Click to expand...
 
Michael,

I checked the site, and it does seem very fast. The problem may be communicating chages, etc, to current stfers for this challenge. This may seem like a lot of extra work, but it might be interesting to run them both simutaneously. The best way to do that would be to have everyone publish to pbase as usual, and then you (or me or others) could take the images, save them, and publish them to your site.

It would allow us to really evaluate how it works while not disrupting the process.

It does seem like pbase is generally slow, and this could be a great option.

I'm for trying it, but it would have to wait until the next challenge for anything "official".

Thougths?

Jim
Michael DeWane said:
People have expressed concern over the speed of PBase as well as a
concern for non broadbanders to be able to view images in a timely
fashion. I propose the following as a possible solution to both
issues:

I have a commercial grade server available to me that is currently
on a t-3. There are in excess of 58 GIGs available on a RAID array,
so space is not an issue. For non-techies, that means fast
connection to the internet. If people are interested, this server
could be used for the hosting of STF Challenges. The software I
propose to use would be gallery, which Jimmy Chen recently brought
to my attention.

This great piece of software has the added benefit of automatically
generating thumbnails, plus the ability to show a reduced size
picture, and then the full size image if you click on it again.
This feature could satisfy both low bandwidth and high bandwidth
clients. I currently have a few photos on an installation running
on the webserver in my house. Bandwith there is only a 768kbps SDSL
line, so while I could probably host it there, several people
uploading at once could seriously cut into my downstream.

If anyone is interested in trying the site out for posting
purposes, I'll gladly create an account. For the rest of the
business day however I can only receive e-mail at
[email protected](I need to set my e-mail client to leave
mail on the server for a couple days.)

In any event if anyone is interested in checking it out here's the
link:

http://66.92.238.45/gallery/

MikeD
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--Jim Fuglestad http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
 
One question: What about the cost of maintanance and troubleshooting? I'm sure this costs money. In any case this sounds like great idea...stf.com...hmmm...has a ring to it...

debadguy--debadguy
 
Keep in mind that is my personal linux webserver running on a cheapo linux box. setup on a 768KPS DSL line, that would not be the actual server. The Gallery software offers really good admin capabilities, for instance posters could have access to post to a given album but not delete. I was really impressed with how versatile the software is. There is an element which can be installed to provide EXIF info as well.

With respect to running the operations simutaneously, I couldn't agree more. Never throw out the old system until you know the new one works. For the foreseeable future, we would be the main users of this server.

MikeD
Shutter said:
I checked the site, and it does seem very fast. The problem may
be communicating chages, etc, to current stfers for this challenge.
This may seem like a lot of extra work, but it might be interesting
to run them both simutaneously. The best way to do that would be
to have everyone publish to pbase as usual, and then you (or me or
others) could take the images, save them, and publish them to your
site.

It would allow us to really evaluate how it works while not
disrupting the process.

It does seem like pbase is generally slow, and this could be a
great option.

I'm for trying it, but it would have to wait until the next
challenge for anything "official".

Thougths?

Jim
Michael DeWane said:
People have expressed concern over the speed of PBase as well as a
concern for non broadbanders to be able to view images in a timely
fashion. I propose the following as a possible solution to both
issues:

I have a commercial grade server available to me that is currently
on a t-3. There are in excess of 58 GIGs available on a RAID array,
so space is not an issue. For non-techies, that means fast
connection to the internet. If people are interested, this server
could be used for the hosting of STF Challenges. The software I
propose to use would be gallery, which Jimmy Chen recently brought
to my attention.

This great piece of software has the added benefit of automatically
generating thumbnails, plus the ability to show a reduced size
picture, and then the full size image if you click on it again.
This feature could satisfy both low bandwidth and high bandwidth
clients. I currently have a few photos on an installation running
on the webserver in my house. Bandwith there is only a 768kbps SDSL
line, so while I could probably host it there, several people
uploading at once could seriously cut into my downstream.

If anyone is interested in trying the site out for posting
purposes, I'll gladly create an account. For the rest of the
business day however I can only receive e-mail at
[email protected](I need to set my e-mail client to leave
mail on the server for a couple days.)

In any event if anyone is interested in checking it out here's the
link:

http://66.92.238.45/gallery/

MikeD
Click to expand...
--
Jim Fuglestad
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
Click to expand...
 
The final destination server is a sandbox webserver that a friend has co-located at an ISP where he is part owner. I don't expect to make a business out of this but we aren't talking about will have no trouble accommodating the STF clientelle. As far as costs go, the server has been up for the last year, waiting for something to do. I was thinking stfchallenge.com, but we don't even need a domain name for this to work.

MikeD
debadguy said:
One question: What about the cost of maintanance and
troubleshooting? I'm sure this costs money. In any case this sounds
like great idea...stf.com...hmmm...has a ring to it...

debadguy
--
debadguy
Click to expand...
 
Mike_D said:
The final destination server is a sandbox webserver that a friend
has co-located at an ISP where he is part owner.
Click to expand...
Mike,

Sounds like it will work out fine. I personally would double check with your friend on the bandwidth and make sure they arent being charged by the Gb and the cost of the T3 is fixed. After all, viewing those close to 1MB originals can use up the bandwidth pretty fast.

jc
 
As an ISP, this will be but a drop in the bucket of their overall internet traffic. I suppose if we had as much traffic as say all of PBase, we might get noticed, but this will be restricted to one relatively small group of people. You have me thinking that it will be interesting to monitor the traffic and see how active we would be.

One more thing Jimmy, thanks again for mentioning the Gallery software. It really is the coolest thing since sliced bread. Even if we don't use it for the challenges, I think it's great!

Challenge #8 by the way will be the first one I'm not too shy to enter. I will be submitting when I get home tonight.

MikeD
Jimmy Chen said:
Jimmy Chen said:
The final destination server is a sandbox webserver that a friend
has co-located at an ISP where he is part owner.
Click to expand...
Mike,

Sounds like it will work out fine. I personally would double check
with your friend on the bandwidth and make sure they arent being
charged by the Gb and the cost of the T3 is fixed. After all,
viewing those close to 1MB originals can use up the bandwidth
pretty fast.

jc
Click to expand...
 
Mike_D said:
As an ISP, this will be but a drop in the bucket of their overall
internet traffic.
Click to expand...
That I am sure of. But one of the most expensive monthly cost for an ISP is also traffic, so it is only safer to keep it in mind.

I suppose if we had as much traffic as say all of
Mike_D said:
PBase, we might get noticed, but this will be restricted to one
relatively small group of people.
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Hehee, but isnt this all in the eye of the beholder? Look at the growth rate of DPReview just this past year ... Either way you look at it, its at least a 3x fold growth.
http://www.dpreview.com/misc/advertising.asp#stats

What I am foreseeing here is the challanges generally represents the quality results from the people owning Sony digitcams. Right now it may be just STFers' "game". But who knows, maybe some day there will be enough examples from the challanges and will actually become popular. By then, who knows what may happen with the site. ;p

Just look at photo.net and what they are doing with the "photo of the week" series.

You have me thinking that it will
Mike_D said:
be interesting to monitor the traffic and see how active we would
be.
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Most ISPs have the basic traffic stat reports. So it shouldnt be hard.
Mike_D said:
One more thing Jimmy, thanks again for mentioning the Gallery
software. It really is the coolest thing since sliced bread. Even
if we don't use it for the challenges, I think it's great!
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I was looking for a sw myself since I am working on a coral database site, and we have ideas to doing 5 level of zoom scale shots from whole object that can be as large as couple of feet all the way down to mm scale.

Just to give you an idea, this shot is of a snail's mouth which is only around 1/4" in size and it is still not detail enough. These snails are about 1~2" in size.
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/tdse/Snail.htm

That how I started looking around. The added bouns is this user acct feature that follows hobbyist to post photos of their tanks, so it is very similar to "gallaries". LOL.
Mike_D said:
Challenge #8 by the way will be the first one I'm not too shy to
enter. I will be submitting when I get home tonight.
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GL on the challenge.

jc
 
Michael,

Not doubting you or your friend, but what is the staying power of a project such as this? I'm just wondering if the possibility of it being active for 6-8 months with much hard work going into the site, only have it deleted if the server is needed or bandwidth gets out of control.

And as far as a Web administrator/POC - will that be you for the entire life of this project?

I will say that I think this is a great idea and I'm blown away at such a generous offer. You know what they say when something looks too good to be true... please excuse the nosey questions.

Thanks again,

chrys
Michael DeWane said:
People have expressed concern over the speed of PBase as well as a
concern for non broadbanders to be able to view images in a timely
fashion. I propose the following as a possible solution to both
issues:

I have a commercial grade server available to me that is currently
on a t-3. There are in excess of 58 GIGs available on a RAID array,
so space is not an issue. For non-techies, that means fast
connection to the internet. If people are interested, this server
could be used for the hosting of STF Challenges. The software I
propose to use would be gallery, which Jimmy Chen recently brought
to my attention.

This great piece of software has the added benefit of automatically
generating thumbnails, plus the ability to show a reduced size
picture, and then the full size image if you click on it again.
This feature could satisfy both low bandwidth and high bandwidth
clients. I currently have a few photos on an installation running
on the webserver in my house. Bandwith there is only a 768kbps SDSL
line, so while I could probably host it there, several people
uploading at once could seriously cut into my downstream.

If anyone is interested in trying the site out for posting
purposes, I'll gladly create an account. For the rest of the
business day however I can only receive e-mail at
[email protected](I need to set my e-mail client to leave
mail on the server for a couple days.)

In any event if anyone is interested in checking it out here's the
link:

http://66.92.238.45/gallery/

MikeD
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Michael,

As host of Challenge 8, I am glad you will be entering...this will be my fourth challenge I am entering and I even got lucky enough to host this one. Hey... if I can do it...anybody can do it...but you got take pichas and enter them...

...good luck...

debadguy--debadguy
 
Very valid points, I would certainly be happy to give others access as admin, but as far as long term your point is valid. Right now my answer is... I don't know. Also somehow gallery got broken on my home webserver, and I don't know why....

We'll see

MikeD
chrys said:
Not doubting you or your friend, but what is the staying power of a
project such as this? I'm just wondering if the possibility of it
being active for 6-8 months with much hard work going into the
site, only have it deleted if the server is needed or bandwidth
gets out of control.

And as far as a Web administrator/POC - will that be you for the
entire life of this project?

I will say that I think this is a great idea and I'm blown away at
such a generous offer. You know what they say when something looks
too good to be true... please excuse the nosey questions.

Thanks again,

chrys
Michael DeWane said:
People have expressed concern over the speed of PBase as well as a
concern for non broadbanders to be able to view images in a timely
fashion. I propose the following as a possible solution to both
issues:

I have a commercial grade server available to me that is currently
on a t-3. There are in excess of 58 GIGs available on a RAID array,
so space is not an issue. For non-techies, that means fast
connection to the internet. If people are interested, this server
could be used for the hosting of STF Challenges. The software I
propose to use would be gallery, which Jimmy Chen recently brought
to my attention.

This great piece of software has the added benefit of automatically
generating thumbnails, plus the ability to show a reduced size
picture, and then the full size image if you click on it again.
This feature could satisfy both low bandwidth and high bandwidth
clients. I currently have a few photos on an installation running
on the webserver in my house. Bandwith there is only a 768kbps SDSL
line, so while I could probably host it there, several people
uploading at once could seriously cut into my downstream.

If anyone is interested in trying the site out for posting
purposes, I'll gladly create an account. For the rest of the
business day however I can only receive e-mail at
[email protected](I need to set my e-mail client to leave
mail on the server for a couple days.)

In any event if anyone is interested in checking it out here's the
link:

http://66.92.238.45/gallery/

MikeD
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great idea and a generous offer. let's do it.
Michael DeWane said:
With respect to running the operations simutaneously, I couldn't
agree more. Never throw out the old system until you know the new
one works. For the foreseeable future, we would be the main users
of this server.

MikeD
Shutter said:
I checked the site, and it does seem very fast. The problem may
be communicating chages, etc, to current stfers for this challenge.
This may seem like a lot of extra work, but it might be interesting
to run them both simutaneously. The best way to do that would be
to have everyone publish to pbase as usual, and then you (or me or
others) could take the images, save them, and publish them to your
site.

It would allow us to really evaluate how it works while not
disrupting the process.

It does seem like pbase is generally slow, and this could be a
great option.

I'm for trying it, but it would have to wait until the next
challenge for anything "official".

Thougths?

Jim
Michael DeWane said:
People have expressed concern over the speed of PBase as well as a
concern for non broadbanders to be able to view images in a timely
fashion. I propose the following as a possible solution to both
issues:

I have a commercial grade server available to me that is currently
on a t-3. There are in excess of 58 GIGs available on a RAID array,
so space is not an issue. For non-techies, that means fast
connection to the internet. If people are interested, this server
could be used for the hosting of STF Challenges. The software I
propose to use would be gallery, which Jimmy Chen recently brought
to my attention.

This great piece of software has the added benefit of automatically
generating thumbnails, plus the ability to show a reduced size
picture, and then the full size image if you click on it again.
This feature could satisfy both low bandwidth and high bandwidth
clients. I currently have a few photos on an installation running
on the webserver in my house. Bandwith there is only a 768kbps SDSL
line, so while I could probably host it there, several people
uploading at once could seriously cut into my downstream.

If anyone is interested in trying the site out for posting
purposes, I'll gladly create an account. For the rest of the
business day however I can only receive e-mail at
[email protected](I need to set my e-mail client to leave
mail on the server for a couple days.)

In any event if anyone is interested in checking it out here's the
link:

http://66.92.238.45/gallery/

MikeD
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--
Jim Fuglestad
http://www.pbase.com/jfuglestad/galleries
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--EricF707 http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
 
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