U
Ulysses
Guest
... in his keynote address at MacWorld.
--
Ulysses
--
Ulysses
-
Welcome to the new forums! Please read this first. For known issues we are working to resolve, click here.
U
Ulysses
Guest
Good gawwd!!! Time Magazine has become the biggest ad in the world for the new iMac. It's a good computer and all, but what in the world?????
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020114/index.html
The whole thing was orchestrated thoroughly. The report was originally downloadable at timecanada.com, but this morning, you got redirected to Time.com. Now that the keynote address is over, the new Time cover with the iMac and Jobs face gracing the LCD flatscreen has been revealed. Clicking on that cover leads you to the page above.
Wow... now that's ad power. The iMac is positioned as the center of Apple's new "Digital Hub", what they envision as the next new killer suite of apps and functions that will revitalize PC's for the consumer and pro market.
Whadday think?
http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020114/index.html
The whole thing was orchestrated thoroughly. The report was originally downloadable at timecanada.com, but this morning, you got redirected to Time.com. Now that the keynote address is over, the new Time cover with the iMac and Jobs face gracing the LCD flatscreen has been revealed. Clicking on that cover leads you to the page above.
Wow... now that's ad power. The iMac is positioned as the center of Apple's new "Digital Hub", what they envision as the next new killer suite of apps and functions that will revitalize PC's for the consumer and pro market.
Whadday think?
-- Ulysses
David Pichevin
Senior Member
Disappointed. I really wanted more speed. A G4 with more MHz. I loe using OSX but not happy about images handling. Tons of programs already do what iPhoto does but it's not sufficient. I want the functionality that you get with the file browser of XP: live (and very very fast) thumbnails creations. On the Mac I have to strip my files of their icons/previews/resource forks because otherwise it messes up web browsers.
The new iMac is an awsome machine thought. The thing is, it's more powerfull than my 733MHz powermac I bought last July. Well, I overclocked the CPU a bit, but still. The 15" LCD is too small though, but well...it's the iMac. I want it!
But then again, a new iBook with a 14" screen...not too bad either. Too bad there's no G4 in it. That would have made sense since they upgraded the iMac to G4 cpus.--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
Cubfan
Leading Member
Great design! Don't ever really use Macs, but I will say that the new Imac looks pretty darn cool. Hopefully this will signal the end of all those who copied the original imac design in everthing from toaster ovens to telephones.
The whole tie-in with Time magazine and the inevitable onslaught of publicity will probably make me sick of seeing the thing. But for now I really do like the new Imac design.
The whole tie-in with Time magazine and the inevitable onslaught of publicity will probably make me sick of seeing the thing. But for now I really do like the new Imac design.
David Pichevin
Senior Member
It IS a great design and a great machine.
I'm not sure it's a good commercial move though. They haven't released new PowerMacs with faster processors, something many were hoping for. Instead they release a new iMac with an G4 that equals the speed of the PowerMacs on the market (except the too expensive Dual CPU). For $1799 you get that, with good size RAM, big hard drive, an integrated LCD screen AND a DVD writer. Awfully interesting machine. Almost TOO interesting. Actually it's much more interesting than the Powermacs on the market right now.
I think that by releasing that machine and no PowerMac upgrade they have just killed the Powermac market for most people. This makes many of the current powermacs obsolete without providing a replacement for them.
Heck, the new imacs even have the same graphics card. --My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
T
TheFaithman
Guest
I was disappointed as well. I don't think this will be the death of the CRT either, technology is generally adopted by the masses when it becomes affordable (19" CRT for example, how many people would have had one 2 yrs or 1 yr ago ?, but now .......)
If the ibook had a G4 it would cut into the titanium sales !
Thefaithman
If the ibook had a G4 it would cut into the titanium sales !
Thefaithman
Shay Stephens
Forum Pro
...and may it rest in pieces. LCD is much prefered by me anyway. CRT's are monstorously huge, and the color and brightness is usually dreadful.--ShayMy F707 Gallery: http://f707.shay.ws
David Pichevin
Senior Member
Well, they sure don't mind cutting into the PowerMac sales!
--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
David Pichevin
Senior Member
Same for me. I am using a 173 LCD ont he PowerMac and it is siply beautiful. My initial problem came from the fact that I was just not using the correct profile. Stability is awsome, it is really flat, colors are beautiful, and......THERE IS NO DISTORTION! I absolutely can't bear those screen deformations, curved lines that should be straight, bad convergence etc...
Just need a higher resolution ow, although 1280*1024 is not too shabby.
--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
Homer40784
Senior Member
Well lets put it this way......
I just placed an order with Charley for 2200 shares of Apple. Really.
Wish it had a larger monitor but I think the unwashed masses will luv it.
As Steverino said.....if they can convince 5 out of the next 95 people who buy a PC to buy this latest and greatest...they will double their market.
Let's see what happens.
Bought at $22.90
Homer
I just placed an order with Charley for 2200 shares of Apple. Really.
Wish it had a larger monitor but I think the unwashed masses will luv it.
As Steverino said.....if they can convince 5 out of the next 95 people who buy a PC to buy this latest and greatest...they will double their market.
Let's see what happens.
Bought at $22.90
Homer
F
Frank C.
Guest
As awesome as the iMac is, it remains an Apple. And that
alone condemns it right off for a great majority of us. I personally
never see myself owning an Apple product, not until
I see the same number of software titles as their PC
counterparts ( with the same prices, numbers and delivery times )
Apple's hardware addons/peripherals also need to come way
down in price. IMHO Apple is not ready for the "masses" just yet,
however they do cater to a certain market segment
quite admirably. I just don't belong to that segment myself.
David Pichevin
Senior Member
I don't belong to that segment myself. I would like to be able to upgrade, would like more speed, and can't afford buying machines that are rendered obsolete with a finger snap from Jobs. But OSX is a very nice system and there are many improvements that I like and wouldn't want to give up. Not only in the system itself but in the apps too, like for example Entourage, the mail app from Microsoft. iTunes, iMovie etc...
I like the OS, I like the machine, even though it is clearly underpowered to me, but I really don't care much (big understatement) for the company, their methods, image, and bluff.
The problem is that I can't get the perfect computer. All the apps I need exist on the Mac. There are many of them that do a great jobs, even for digital photography. I would love to see an OSX version of Photoshop Elements. Aside from that, I can't think of any application that you can find on a PC (I have also 2 PCs at home and I work mainly with PCs) that I don't have (or a good equivalent) on the Mac. I just would love to keep using the Mac I have right now, the system, and the awsome screen, and just have a CPU that's twice as fast. They should drop Motorola. I loved Motorola when I was playing with my Amiga 500 and learning assembler, but now they are lost.
--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
U
Ulysses
Guest
David -
You came out today and hoped you wouldn't offend anyone (regarding the image size thing). I was holding my breath just a bit as I thought you might get backlash on that. But you didn't, thank goodness.
Now, I'm going to say this and see what kind of response I get (heheh...):
One might wish that the LCD was ready for "serious" image editing, but it's not. The CRT is at present the only display that will adequately handle color and proper gamma, without which all our editing will be pure guesswork.
===== Let's see what THAT does to the natives. =====
Of course, I AM the guy who has been doing a lot of his stuff at 800x600, so whatever....
You came out today and hoped you wouldn't offend anyone (regarding the image size thing). I was holding my breath just a bit as I thought you might get backlash on that. But you didn't, thank goodness.
Now, I'm going to say this and see what kind of response I get (heheh...):
One might wish that the LCD was ready for "serious" image editing, but it's not. The CRT is at present the only display that will adequately handle color and proper gamma, without which all our editing will be pure guesswork.
===== Let's see what THAT does to the natives. =====
Of course, I AM the guy who has been doing a lot of his stuff at 800x600, so whatever....
-- Ulysses
U
Ulysses
Guest
Alright! There really IS a fair amount of interest in this.
Now, the next step:
Some of you have expressed disappointment. What I'd like to know is: Are the disappointed people actually Mac users? Are these the people to whom Apple is catering?
What about you dedicated Mac users? How do you feel?
My only disappointment is that like Frank C., I wish that they made the iMac for the Windows OS. I'd probably snatch one up in a second. Don't know that I'd use it as a primary PC system. But I'd definitely get one and think about it.
Now, the next step:
Some of you have expressed disappointment. What I'd like to know is: Are the disappointed people actually Mac users? Are these the people to whom Apple is catering?
What about you dedicated Mac users? How do you feel?
My only disappointment is that like Frank C., I wish that they made the iMac for the Windows OS. I'd probably snatch one up in a second. Don't know that I'd use it as a primary PC system. But I'd definitely get one and think about it.
-- Ulysses
David Pichevin
Senior Member
Bah, I don't see why I would get backlash. I expressed my thoughts, and I think they are legitimate. Now I'm ready to argue with anybody who feels up to it
Well, I would say that it would be good to go and have a good look at what is available in terms of LCD on the market today. I have an apple LCD. It could be of another brand, but it's a very good one and entirely digital. The colors are extremely accurate and the contrast/brightness are awsome. It IS now ready for serious image editing. I have at home 3 other CRT screens. They are 2 19" Trinitrons from Sony (can display 1600*1200 at 85Hz) on good graphics cards and another 19" inches from from the Pro line from Viwsonic. I have a Sony 21" at work and had one at home before.
They are all off, even though I tried my best to calibrate them. Some are 2 dark, some too bright, all had geometry problems and convergence problems. Dot pitch is not constant throughout the whole width of the screen, they don't always show the same image quality depending on the time of the day you turn them on or how long they have been running. From one monitor to the other, some are warmer than others at the same settings, seom are very blurry and incapable of handling higher frequencies (viesonic) when my LCD displays a perfectly stable image with the digital interface without worrying about video card frequency. The colors on my LCD are beautiful and very close to the real thing, much more than any CRT I have (and I used a CRT on the same Mac before getting the LCD).
LCD have evolved a lot. If you want to see what they are capable of in a correct setting (forget about those stores displaying video from one single computer through 20 screens) go to any local Apple retailer and check them out and see what they can do. That has evolved.
As for 800*600, I still consider it very low for image manipulation.--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
David Pichevin
Senior Member
I am a Mac user, it's my main home machine now, and long time (11 years) PC user.
I'm not "dedicated" as in "I have no religion".
Would be the contrary for me. I would love to see OSX ported to "PC hardware" and finally use it under better conditions (faster).
--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
Bosko
Well-known member
As a 16 year "bi-platform" computer geek/professional (yes, we even have a Lisa and a 128K in the basement), with many friends in IT, I would like to weigh in with my opinion.
Caveat: In the hopes of heading off anyone who will retort that "Well, with the X utuility you can right click on the Mac" I will mention that I keep my mid-range machines more of less "vanilla" as I do a lot of software testing.
1. The Mac OS has always been more stable than the windows. Despite Norton and pampering, our Windows machines hang/crash every other day at least. (I admit we are not using the latest and greatest on either platform - mostly due to advice from our various IT friends. We run 98SE on the Windows machines (1 desktop, one laptop) and 9.x on the Macs (DV iMac, Pismo Powerbook).
2. The Mac hardware is so much easier to deal with.
3. Software: Hmmm, Quantity vs. qaulity. Yes, there are a lot more titles for Windows, but so many of them are lame, or so badly done, and so many or nuke other program's .dlls, or #$% the registry or VXD files... need I go ON? Due to the standards for Mac software (and yes, I feel they have relaxed of late) there are fewer titles but they are consistently of higher quality. (And yes, I know there are extension conflicts on pre OS X Macs, but it's a heck of a lot easier to solve.) Would you rather have a truckload of generic ersatz chocolate, or a box of Godiva?
4 There are a few things I do like beter on the PC. Right-click, for example.
5. Yes, Steve is an real jerk. And Apple has been badly managed at various tim, and in retrospect they've made some hideous decisions. But Microsoft ain't perfect either. (A must-read: Bob Cringeley's "Accidental Empires: How the Boys of Silicon Valley Made Millions, Changed the World, and Still Can't get a Date." Entertaining, informative, and funny as hell... 'Chairman Bill Leads the Happy Workers in Song" is one of the chapter titles.)
Caveat: In the hopes of heading off anyone who will retort that "Well, with the X utuility you can right click on the Mac" I will mention that I keep my mid-range machines more of less "vanilla" as I do a lot of software testing.
1. The Mac OS has always been more stable than the windows. Despite Norton and pampering, our Windows machines hang/crash every other day at least. (I admit we are not using the latest and greatest on either platform - mostly due to advice from our various IT friends. We run 98SE on the Windows machines (1 desktop, one laptop) and 9.x on the Macs (DV iMac, Pismo Powerbook).
2. The Mac hardware is so much easier to deal with.
3. Software: Hmmm, Quantity vs. qaulity. Yes, there are a lot more titles for Windows, but so many of them are lame, or so badly done, and so many or nuke other program's .dlls, or #$% the registry or VXD files... need I go ON? Due to the standards for Mac software (and yes, I feel they have relaxed of late) there are fewer titles but they are consistently of higher quality. (And yes, I know there are extension conflicts on pre OS X Macs, but it's a heck of a lot easier to solve.) Would you rather have a truckload of generic ersatz chocolate, or a box of Godiva?
4 There are a few things I do like beter on the PC. Right-click, for example.
5. Yes, Steve is an real jerk. And Apple has been badly managed at various tim, and in retrospect they've made some hideous decisions. But Microsoft ain't perfect either. (A must-read: Bob Cringeley's "Accidental Empires: How the Boys of Silicon Valley Made Millions, Changed the World, and Still Can't get a Date." Entertaining, informative, and funny as hell... 'Chairman Bill Leads the Happy Workers in Song" is one of the chapter titles.)
David Pichevin
Senior Member
Bosko. Some of your points are valid. I could agree or disagree with some and wanted to answer but decided against, but please let's not do a "platform war" here in this forum.
Just one point ocncerning the comparison between 95/98, Mac OS9, well all these are to me unstable old operating systems and they absolutely cannot be compared, whether it's Mac or PC, to the much more modern operating systems of today: W2k, XP, OSX. A comparison today would bring good or bad points towards one system or the other but not with the same arguments as "yesterday's OSes".
David.
David.--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
U
Ulysses
Guest
Heheheh... I'm not ready to back up anything on this one. I just want to see what views others have on this one. I probably should have started another thread rather than burying it here.Bah, I don't see why I would get backlash. I expressed my thoughts,
and I think they are legitimate. Now I'm ready to argue with
anybody who feels up to it
I will do that. I take your viewpoint seriously. Personally, I haven't looked into the LCD market for about a year.
The problem is the cash outlay, however. To get an LCD with the proper capability and size I'd want/need... gawwd.... Maybe my pricing is a year out of date, too, but... the CRT must still be the most economical way to go, right?
For instance, I'm looking at a 19" CRT for my next PC within the next few months. Can you convince me that I can get a reasonably priced LCD that would also give me good color?
Couldn't you say the same about LCD's?
Apple? I'm not getting an Apple.
Or do they sell LCD's separately? I'm serious. I honestly don't know what they're doing these days.
Believe me, it is. I'm testing at a higher rez as I type this. But most of my work really does work better for me at 800x600 on this 17" monitor. I'm in front of a screen for many, many hours during the day. Yes, I can see it at the higher rez, but I'm not really comfortable. Maybe an LCD would give me more comfort at the higher rez. I dunno.
I'd like to see others weigh in on this. -- Ulysses
U
Ulysses
Guest
Yeah.
That's rather unusually different, as compared with many Mac users I've known or read about.
But what I meant was exactly what you mentioned: Folks who use a Mac as their primary. The "devout" are also free to chime in. -- Ulysses
Keyboard shortcuts
- f
- Forum