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How about a 645N, three lenses and a decent sized tripod. Those weighed more than all these camera put together, but was worth every picture (6 mile round trip, last mile in the dark, beautiful images). The K10D feels wonderful with and without the battery grip.
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John C.
 
I think a lot of people, myself included, want to see a middle level camera that has full features. The istD was well laid out. The ist"everthing else" is laid out like the lowest form of comsumer point and shoot with the exception that it does have manual mode. The K100 is an istDL with IS. There is basically noting feature wise (other than IS), between the DL and the K10D and a dispearaging leap in weight (especially for pentax).

The istX history has seen a plethra of identical cameras with different letters on them. I for one have hoped for something closer to the Sony Alpha. Great that they are supporting a more professional body with seals and all that, but while they've been cranking out the fleet of smaller cameras, how about one with an istD style layout? Never happen?? If so, then fine. like you suggested to HECK with them and I'll quit playing around with all these wannabe companies and go back to Canon where I started years ago!

sej
 
JohnCPentax said:
How about a 645N, three lenses and a decent sized tripod. Those
weighed more than all these camera put together, but was worth
every picture (6 mile round trip, last mile in the dark, beautiful
images). The K10D feels wonderful with and without the battery
grip.
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John C.
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Hi John

Maybe you can help some of us understand the Size, AA and TTL decisions regarding the K10D here:

1. Size - now we have the specs I see the K10D as basically being a *istD with SR and different circuitry:
  • Same AE system (same number of matrix cells)
  • Same AF system (albeit with extensions for HSM)
  • Same number of buttons/wheels on body
  • Same construction technique (polycarbonate on Metal endoskeleton), albeit with more seals
  • Smaller power supply
Why is it so much bigger than the *istD?

2. AA batteries. My KM7D has a very similar focus mechanism system to Pentax - ie. Motor in Body with HSM motor options on long focal-length lenses ie. I see a very similar power requirement here. The grip on my KM7D allows 6 AA batteries to be used - is there any technical reason that the K10D grip doesn't allow this? Have AA batteries gone for good from all future Pentax DSLR bodies now (including next generation entry-level models to replace K100D etc)?

3. TTL. I guess this was dropped from the K10D for reasons of cost. Is there any chance of it ever making a return in later/higher-end models or should we just dump our AF280T's etc as fast as possible ;-)

Many thanks for any guidance you can give us on these matters!

Regards!

PS. Could Pentax note that while the K10D is obviously a very interesting camera with great mainstream appeal, it is not what all of us are currently looking for... hense my line of questioning. Maybe this could be bourne in mind for possible future models?

PPS. Is the LiIon battery for the K10D the same as the old KM NP-400, or does it have different contacts?
 
parallaxproblem said:
1. Size - now we have the specs I see the K10D as basically being
a *istD with SR and different circuitry:
  • Same AE system (same number of matrix cells)
  • Same AF system (albeit with extensions for HSM)
  • Same number of buttons/wheels on body
  • Same construction technique (polycarbonate on Metal
endoskeleton), albeit with more seals
  • Smaller power supply
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  • Same shutter mechanism, too, I guess judging by the common 1/180 flash sync
 
sej1001 said:
I think a lot of people, myself included, want to see a middle
level camera that has full features. The istD was well laid out.
The ist"everthing else" is laid out like the lowest form of
comsumer point and shoot with the exception that it does have
manual mode. The K100 is an istDL with IS. There is basically
noting feature wise (other than IS), between the DL and the K10D
and a dispearaging leap in weight (especially for pentax).
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WHat does this opinion of yours have to do with what I or the original poster said?
sej1001 said:
The istX history has seen a plethra of identical cameras with
different letters on them. I for one have hoped for something
closer to the Sony Alpha.
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Still, nothing to do with what I or the original poster said.
sej1001 said:
Great that they are supporting a more
professional body with seals and all that, but while they've been
cranking out the fleet of smaller cameras, how about one with an
istD style layout? Never happen?? If so, then fine. like you
suggested to HECK with them and I'll quit playing around with all
these wannabe companies and go back to Canon where I started years
ago!
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Did you even read my post before insulting me in the title? Please learn to read before you tell someone that THEY are missing the point.

Nothing you have said has anything to do with size or weight, which is the topic of choice in this particular thread.

Insult a camera you have never even touched if you would like. It is your own choice to look like a fool.
sej1001 said:
sej
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Sorry, I did not realize that you owned a Pentax DSLR, though I still fail to understand what in the world your reply had to do with what I said.

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http://www.apt131.com

'This is easy for us Chinese...just look at the pictures, ignore
his comments in English...'
 
sej1001 said:
I think a lot of people, myself included, want to see a middle
level camera that has full features. The istD was well laid out.
The ist"everthing else" is laid out like the lowest form of
comsumer point and shoot with the exception that it does have
manual mode
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Yes we all love those piles buttons and knobs with a camera burried in them...
sej1001 said:
The K100 is an istDL with IS. There is basically
noting feature wise (other than IS), between the DL and the K10D
and a dispearaging leap in weight (especially for pentax).
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Hang on we are talking about the Pentax K10D, the camera that was announced yesterday that everyone is going bannanas about because of all the features that it has etc, the camera that compared to the DL at the very least has a large glass prism in the top and a big assembly for moving the sensor, a whole bunch of rubberseals and a heavier grade construction, yes but sure it is only a DL with SR...

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sej1001 said:
istD style layout? Never happen?? If so, then fine. like you
suggested to HECK with them and I'll quit playing around with all
these wannabe companies and go back to Canon where I started years
ago!
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I am sure with this attitude you will feel more then at home...

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'No sir, I don't like it!'
-Mr Horse, The Ren & Stimpy Show

Info thread for new Pentax SLR users:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1036&message=19455961

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I do wish that K110 had looked like Oly E400. This camera is so cute: portable and the traditional look and finnish. It looks so nice, just invites you to pick it, go shooting and feel like in the old days when you didn't need to be right handed to hold a camera properly ;) I'm talking about the design, not the features. Oly would clearly benefit from a big viewfinder and K mount ;)
 
parallaxproblem said:
Incidentally, does anybody else find it rather strange that Pentax
are producing a new range of smaller, lighter lenses (the Pancake
limiteds) whilst at the same time increasing the size/weight of
their camera bodies???!!!
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Just as more MP can be perceived as naturally providing a better image, greater weight can be perceived to be an indication of better build quality. Of course, reality doesn't always follow what is perceived, but we're talking about marketing here, not reality. When I handled the relatively large A100 with its kit lens, my perception was "cheap plastic" because of its size to weight ratio. I suspect that most potential customers won't know that it has a magnesium frame. I didn't have the same impression with the large, professional-level models surrounding it that I also handled.

Pentax saved money by using stainless steel instead of magnesium in the K10D frame, thereby allowing other features to be added while holding down the cost. At the same time, the additional weight may add to the perception of a good build quality as mentioned above. Their goal is to get the customer to buy the Pentax camera first. The LBA comes later and, in that area, they give you back some of the weight savings you lost in their heavier body.
 
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