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--Sony, Pentax, Canon, Nikon and Olympus soon. Tough choices.
Nikon's is the most sparing outfitted (no onboard IS, no dust control).
Sony, Olympus and Pentax are the most complete. Olympus will have a live

LCD, which I miss because my old Olympus C8080 had it and it made shooting some shots much easier than a DSLR.
-Rich
E-1, 14-45mm, 40-150mm, OM24mmf2.8, OM50mmf1.8,
OM50mm macro f3.5, OM135mmf2.8, OM100-200mmf5, OM300mmf4.5, SHLD-2, FL-20.

 
rander3127 said:
--Sony, Pentax, Canon, Nikon and Olympus soon. Tough choices.
Nikon's is the most sparing outfitted (no onboard IS, no dust
control).
Sony, Olympus and Pentax are the most complete. Olympus will have
a live
LCD, which I miss because my old Olympus C8080 had it and it made
shooting some shots much easier than a DSLR.
-Rich
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The stand-out is the Pentax. The least appealing is the Canon - and that is a very unusual position for Canon.

A 10mp 4/3 sensor Olympus? Noisy and with significant diffraction effects starting to kick in a f5.6 (where the sort of zoom lenses mere mortals can afford usually start performing well)
Sadly for Olympus, they parked their shoes under the wrong bed.
Watch what Canon does next.
 
This is a non-denominational title as it is based on a hard fact: price :-)

This will make for an interesting holiday shopping season. I'm sure they will keep Phil busy in trying to review most of them before the holidays.
rander3127 said:
--Sony, Pentax, Canon, Nikon and Olympus soon. Tough choices.
Nikon's is the most sparing outfitted (no onboard IS, no dust
control).
Sony, Olympus and Pentax are the most complete. Olympus will have
a live
LCD, which I miss because my old Olympus C8080 had it and it made
shooting some shots much easier than a DSLR.
-Rich
E-1, 14-45mm, 40-150mm, OM24mmf2.8, OM50mmf1.8,
OM50mm macro f3.5, OM135mmf2.8, OM100-200mmf5, OM300mmf4.5, SHLD-2,
FL-20.

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I cannot find any reference on the press release regarding !!

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freddyNZ said:
A 10mp 4/3 sensor Olympus? Noisy and with significant diffraction
effects starting to kick in a f5.6 (where the sort of zoom lenses
mere mortals can afford usually start performing well)
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Rubbish. Diffraction effects only start one stop sooner than with APS cameras at around F11. As for noise, on the existing cameras it really isn't that bad, and who knows what it will be like on the 10MP sensor.
 
rander3127 said:
--Sony, Pentax, Canon, Nikon and Olympus soon. Tough choices.
Nikon's is the most sparing outfitted (no onboard IS, no dust
control).
Sony, Olympus and Pentax are the most complete. Olympus will have
a live
LCD, which I miss because my old Olympus C8080 had it and it made
shooting some shots much easier than a DSLR.
-Rich
E-1, 14-45mm, 40-150mm, OM24mmf2.8, OM50mmf1.8,
OM50mm macro f3.5, OM135mmf2.8, OM100-200mmf5, OM300mmf4.5, SHLD-2,
FL-20.

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Sadly if anything the Olympus line up is the weakest by far.

10mp on a 4/3 sensor isnt likely to match APS-C
Smallest viewfinders out there is hardly a plus
Dated 3 point AF..
E-400 priced over the Pentax K10-D...and not available in the U.S.

Canon 400XT...not bad..but small VF again..its got anti dust...
Build isnt going to challenge the Pentax.

D80...nicer build, good VF...no anti dust, no in body IS. Will likely sell ok...but its looking overpriced again thanks to the new Pentax

Sony A-100, not bad..a souped up 5D...but not great either, has in body AS, ok VF...but not as good as Nikon and Pentax...

Pentax are the winners here, its going to sell hand over fist........

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As Pentax announced k10, in the near future Samsung will launch brand-new model...

Samsung's first dslr GX-1 was almost same Pentax's, but in this time their new product will be a little bit different to k10d...
rander3127 said:
--Sony, Pentax, Canon, Nikon and Olympus soon. Tough choices.
Nikon's is the most sparing outfitted (no onboard IS, no dust
control).
Sony, Olympus and Pentax are the most complete. Olympus will have
a live
LCD, which I miss because my old Olympus C8080 had it and it made
shooting some shots much easier than a DSLR.
-Rich
E-1, 14-45mm, 40-150mm, OM24mmf2.8, OM50mmf1.8,
OM50mm macro f3.5, OM135mmf2.8, OM100-200mmf5, OM300mmf4.5, SHLD-2,
FL-20.

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don't forget the new Sigma SD14 which might just surprise everyone, maybe not in bells and whistles but in absolute picture quality.
 
Barry Fitzgerald said:
rander3127 said:
--Sony, Pentax, Canon, Nikon and Olympus soon. Tough choices.
Nikon's is the most sparing outfitted (no onboard IS, no dust
control).
Sony, Olympus and Pentax are the most complete. Olympus will have
a live
LCD, which I miss because my old Olympus C8080 had it and it made
shooting some shots much easier than a DSLR.
-Rich
E-1, 14-45mm, 40-150mm, OM24mmf2.8, OM50mmf1.8,
OM50mm macro f3.5, OM135mmf2.8, OM100-200mmf5, OM300mmf4.5, SHLD-2,
FL-20.

Click to expand...
Sadly if anything the Olympus line up is the weakest by far.

10mp on a 4/3 sensor isnt likely to match APS-C
Smallest viewfinders out there is hardly a plus
Dated 3 point AF..
E-400 priced over the Pentax K10-D...and not available in the U.S.

Canon 400XT...not bad..but small VF again..its got anti dust...
Build isnt going to challenge the Pentax.

D80...nicer build, good VF...no anti dust, no in body IS. Will
likely sell ok...but its looking overpriced again thanks to the new
Pentax

Sony A-100, not bad..a souped up 5D...but not great either, has in
body AS, ok VF...but not as good as Nikon and Pentax...

Pentax are the winners here, its going to sell hand over fist........
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The problem is that Sony and Canon marketing are a lot stronger than that of Pentax.
 
freddyNZ said:
A 10mp 4/3 sensor Olympus? Noisy and with significant diffraction
effects starting to kick in a f5.6 (where the sort of zoom lenses
mere mortals can afford usually start performing well)
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I'd like to see your calculations that suggest f/5.6. I figure f/9 - and that's assuming a perfect lens. As a practical matter, f/11 should be very usable and maybe even f/16.

Assuming a photosite array of 3650 x 2738 for the E-400, I determined that f/9 will yield a 50%MTF due to diffraction at 80% of the resolution implied by the sensor's pixel count (AA filters and CFA mean the sensor never delivers a line per pixel - the typical responsis about .8 lines per pixel). In other words, with an excellent lens, f/9 will probably be where you start to see some noticable softening. With a good lens, that will probably happen somewhat later.

http://www.jayandwanda.com/digiscope/digiscope_calc.html

The move from 8Mp to 10Mp isn't much reall. This is mostly marketing IMO - unless the sensor is exception in some way. Olympus made a good read and realized that they need to have a consumer DSLR with 10Mp.

An 8Mp E-300 has 10Mp as the "threshold". So, what is that - a 1/3 stop difference? Big whoop!

BTW, even the Olympus kit lenses tend to operate quite well wide open. And even though f/22 is well beyond the point where diffraction begins to have a noticable effect, f/22 is actually usable on a 4/3 camera. Take a look at the f/22 image taken at 300mm at the bottom of the page.

http://www.jayandwanda.com/photography/lenscompare/ManLensShootout.html
freddyNZ said:
Sadly for Olympus, they parked their shoes under the wrong bed.
Watch what Canon does next.
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My calculations and experience and tests show that you are simply wrong on the diffraction issue. What are the odds that you are right about Olympus here?

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Jay Turberville
http://www.jayandwanda.com
 
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