TZ1 users want seperate sharpness, contrast and saturation control?

I was wondering if fellow Tizzers would also want seperate sharpness, contrast and saturation control in stead of the natural, normal, vivid settings? I for instance wouldn't mind pictures like in natural mode, but just a bit sharper.

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Current cam: TZ1, Wish cams: (TZ6): TZ1 sized body, 37-222mm (6x),

(TZ10): FZ50 sized body, 30-450mm (15x), For both cams: Fuji 1/1.7', 6.3mp, IS, folded optics, F2.8-3.3, Shutter: 1/4000-60s, ISO: 80-3200, Manual control: AP, SP, manual, manual focus
NR control: off, low, standard, custom (seperate luminance, chrominance)
Formats: JPEG, RAW, MPEG-4: 848x480/30FPS, zooming and IS available.
Decent resolution LCD and viewfinder, SDHC and USB 2.0 High-speed

without all the setings is why it's an economical "travel cam" for the casual user that wants a true point and shoot.

that's what Tizzy is supposed to be
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Dave In LA said:

without all the setings is why it's an economical "travel cam" for
the casual user that wants a true point and shoot.

that's what Tizzy is supposed to be

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Yeah, I agree that's what it is designed to be, but it could be so much more. I would gladly pay a few extra bucks to have the TZ1's (lens) technology in a package giving a bit more control to the slightly less casual user.

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http://cspronken.zoto.com/
Current cam: TZ1, Wish cams: (TZ6): TZ1 sized body, 37-222mm (6x),

(TZ10): FZ50 sized body, 30-450mm (15x), For both cams: Fuji 1/1.7', 6.3mp, IS, folded optics, F2.8-3.3, Shutter: 1/4000-60s, ISO: 80-3200, Manual control: AP, SP, manual, manual focus
NR control: off, low, standard, custom (seperate luminance, chrominance)
Formats: JPEG, RAW, MPEG-4: 848x480/30FPS, zooming and IS available.
Decent resolution LCD and viewfinder, SDHC and USB 2.0 High-speed

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go
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CSPronken said:

Dave In LA said:

without all the setings is why it's an economical "travel cam" for
the casual user that wants a true point and shoot.

that's what Tizzy is supposed to be

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Yeah, I agree that's what it is designed to be, but it could be so
much more. I would gladly pay a few extra bucks to have the TZ1's
(lens) technology in a package giving a bit more control to the
slightly less casual user.

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Hi,

I agree with you. The folded optics design is just too good to have been applied only on a Point and Shoot.

I feel that a camera with more advanced controls should have been created using the same lens-sensor arrangement of the TZ1.

JJDiniz, from Brazil

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korsair said:

To dream the impossible dream
To fight the unbeatable foe
To bear with unbearable sorrow
To run where the brave dare not go

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To right the unrightable wrong
To love pure and chaste from afar
To try when your arms are too weary
To reach the unreachable star

Like it, quite appropriate in this case as well.

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http://cspronken.zoto.com/
Current cam: TZ1, Wish cams: (TZ6): TZ1 sized body, 37-222mm (6x),

(TZ10): FZ50 sized body, 30-450mm (15x), For both cams: Fuji 1/1.7', 6.3mp, IS, folded optics, F2.8-3.3, Shutter: 1/4000-60s, ISO: 80-3200, Manual control: AP, SP, manual, manual focus
NR control: off, low, standard, custom (seperate luminance, chrominance)
Formats: JPEG, RAW, MPEG-4: 848x480/30FPS, zooming and IS available.
Decent resolution LCD and viewfinder, SDHC and USB 2.0 High-speed

I would prefer noise reduction to be separate.

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Best Wishes,
Phantasmal

http://phantasmal.zoto.com

Phantasmal said:

I would prefer noise reduction to be separate.

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Guess most of us would want that.

CSPronken said:

I was wondering if fellow Tizzers would also want seperate
sharpness, contrast and saturation control in stead of the natural,
normal, vivid settings? I for instance wouldn't mind pictures like
in natural mode, but just a bit sharper.

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The TZ1 will never change. If you are not pleased with it, there are many others from which to choose.

wonderwhy said:

The TZ1 will never change. If you are not pleased with it, there are many others from which to choose.

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Of course it won't change and I never said I'm not pleased with it, on the contrary. I just consider it a missed opportunity that their ain't a model with TZ1's lens concept but with more direct control over, shutterspeed, aperature, NR, sharpness, saturation, contrast and possibly manual focus. So I asked in light of a possible successor if other TZ1 users would like that as well (if that is allowed?).

I just am a bit frustrated, it seems everything always has to be "dumbed down for the masses" (not only with cameras). To me that would be a good thing if there were also models/menus for more advanced users, but mostly that's not the case.

Might be nice to have the choice to either use the standard settings, natural, vivid, etc. but add a "manual" setting where you could set each one the way you want. Maybe in the TZ2?

I think that is what you want.

-- Kate

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KateRK said:

Might be nice to have the choice to either use the standard
settings, natural, vivid, etc. but add a "manual" setting where you
could set each one the way you want. Maybe in the TZ2?

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Yeah they could make it so that you'll have the natural, standard, vivid choices in simple mode and more advances settings in normal mode. Or make an "advanced settings" menu, which gives the user more control.

wonderwhy said:

The TZ1 will never change. If you are not pleased with it, there
are many others from which to choose.

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I am very pleased with the folded optics design, but there are no others like that to choose from.

JJDiniz, from Brazil

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JJDiniz said:

wonderwhy said:

The TZ1 will never change. If you are not pleased with it, there
are many others from which to choose.

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I am very pleased with the folded optics design, but there are no
others like that to choose from.

JJDiniz, from Brazil

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You're right, it is unique. I was thinking of manual control in cameras available today. For example, someone may prefer the FZ7, Powershot, H5, etc. Of course it has no folded optics.

I like the TZ1 for what it can do. It needs to be small to carry, have a good lens, have OIS, easy to use by someone who knows nothing about the science of photography, and be relatively inexpensive. I must be in the target market for this camera.

wonderwhy said:

JJDiniz said:

wonderwhy said:

The TZ1 will never change. If you are not pleased with it, there
are many others from which to choose.

Click to expand...

I am very pleased with the folded optics design, but there are no
others like that to choose from.

JJDiniz, from Brazil

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You're right, it is unique. I was thinking of manual control in
cameras available today. For example, someone may prefer the FZ7,
Powershot, H5, etc. Of course it has no folded optics.

I like the TZ1 for what it can do. It needs to be small to carry,
have a good lens, have OIS, easy to use by someone who knows
nothing about the science of photography, and be relatively
inexpensive. I must be in the target market for this camera.

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A possible TZ2 could have the same hardware as the TZ1, with just a front thread added, and a more advanced set of controls, done exclusivelly by improving the firmware.

JJDiniz, from Brazil

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KateRK said:

Might be nice to have the choice to either use the standard
settings, natural, vivid, etc. but add a "manual" setting where you
could set each one the way you want. Maybe in the TZ2?

I think that is what you want.

-- Kate

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Yes Kate, but much more...

I have a Casio P600 6MP camera.

If you put it next to the TZ1, you will see that the only hardware item missing on the TZ1 is a front thread to allow attaching accessories. In every other aspect, TZ1 hardware is better: Macro, Zoom, ISO, Image Stabilization, LCD resolution, AF assist lamp, even style.

When you compare the firmware however, you see that they are a world apart.

This is a little sad because firmware adds little cost to a camera.

The list of good ideas built into Casio firmware is too long to repeat here, but I will describe one item just to give you an idea.

All Casio models come with some 20 or 30 "scene modes" just as TZ1 does, but with important differences:

1- Each mode is identified by a real photo, making them easier to find .

2- You can apply a mode and then change some of its settings. For instance, you can set "Party mode" and change its white balance to Fluorescent.

3- You can take a picture with the modified settings and save it as a new "scene mode" that will be listed in the same menu that shows the built in modes.

4- The new "My Party mode" will be identified by a thuimbnail of your photo, which is very convenient.
5- You can save 999 ( ! ! ! ) "user modes" that way.

6- you can reload old photos back into the camera to use as new scene modes. Everything will be copied, such as red eye flash, EV compensation, ISO, and so on...

With this feature, you don't have to navigate through menus anymore. You only navigate tjhrough the pictures that you took yourself, which is much much better.

The proof that I love my TZ1 camera is the fact that I have been using it much more than my Casio, but I would really appreciate if it had some of those clever ideas.

JJDiniz, from Brazil

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