K10D to use proprietary lithium battery pack?

While it was said that you can get AA size 1.5V batteries almost anywhere on earth but most remote area you can only get standard or standard alkaline type. A lot of good this will do for more than a few shots.

Most photo trips I just bring extra AA Li-on and start with fresh sets in the D and the grip.

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Hi Pete,

Pete Fang said:

According to this PDML post, the K10D could use a lithium battery
pack called the D-LI50. The same post also states that the K10D's
battery grip will be called the D-BG2.

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As a low volume, manual focus shooter that never strays far away from a place with electricity, I could do without the lithium batteries and would prefer the AA NiMHs. The lithiums are probably proprietary, and to my knowledge, they are often around $80+ Cdn. for dSLRs.

Lithiums are a good source, otherwise, and their benefits often outweigh NiMHs, but AAs just works better for me ;-).

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Cheers,
Jien

I'm seriously considernig upgrading to K10D but not if they bail 4AA in body support. I use 4 AAs in flashes, headlamp and other devices as do my fellow cavers who can lend me a set of those. If I went for a week or more on remote mountains or in a cave I'd have to bring baterries specially for camera and not usable in anithyng else.

Using six AAs in baterry grip is inconvinient size wise (very important on expeditions) and most of the chargers charge in packs of four.
A proprietary battery is a deal breaker for me.



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Hi all!

I really hope this is just a hoax, buit somehow I fear it is not.

If the reason for this downgrade is to be able to handle the AF motor in-lens, I'd rather stay with in-body AF motors, thank you.

There are two features the K10D should have for me: TTL and in-body AA batteries. If it does offer neither, I'll think about switching. With the current prices for Pentax glass, that shouldn't be too hard.

Cheers
Jens

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JensR said:

Hi all!

I really hope this is just a hoax, buit somehow I fear it is not.
If the reason for this downgrade is to be able to handle the AF
motor in-lens, I'd rather stay with in-body AF motors, thank you.

There are two features the K10D should have for me: TTL and in-body
AA batteries. If it does offer neither, I'll think about switching.
With the current prices for Pentax glass, that shouldn't be too
hard.

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I know the feeling -- and this is one of the main reasons I've put all planned lens purchases on hold. Just too risky until we see what the K10D has to offer.

JensR said:

Cheers
Jens

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rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
http://www.jensroesner.de/

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AndrewF said:

Foxbat121 said:

Those are non-rechargable Lithium batteries, not rechargeable
Lithium-ion.

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Wrong....well at least with the rechargable CRV3's. The ones I use
are rechargable lithium-ion batteries.
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What kind of logic is that? You originally posted about Lithium AA and CRV3. Now you say I'm wrong because your RCRV3 is rechargeable. We all know RCRV3 is rechargeable and also not officially sanctioned by Pentax. But RCRV3 is not the same as CRV3.

Matja said:

A proprietary battery is a deal breaker for me.

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Well, in fact Pentax can potentially satisfy both worlds, if they ship K10 with an external AA battery adaptor. For cold wheather it is even better to have batteries on body than in camera.

Much as all are in love with the "find your batteries anywhere, anytime" convenience of AA rechargeables, for me NiMH batteries inevitably mean that I'll be shooting a concert somewhere and I'll go click-click-click and the batteries will just stop working.

The thought of having a battery that holds a charge for more than a week without being used, and that can then deliver 400-500 shots in a row without worrying about it just dying is something that I look forward to.

For me, always using rechargables that I've already purchased, the "inconvenience" of not being able to replace the batteries "in the field" with AAs from some store is a non-issue. When I travel, it's always with two sets of 4 AAs, and a big nasty charger. If I were to have the proprietary pack it would be one extra battery and a (hopefully) not-as-large charger. Smaller load to take with, and a longer, more-predictable battery life are GOOD things in my eyes.

As for the "but I've invested so much in the batteries I have now" argument, I hope nobody is saying that! If you're contemplating spending almost $1,000 on a camera, the $20-100 worth of battery and charger you've already spent the money on are just a small percentage of that - an you can sell 'em with your old camera.

The only real bummer would be for those who plan on still using their D or Ds (or DL) along with the new K10D. Then it gets inconvenient. But heck, for me I'm planning on either getting the K10D (or the K100D if the K10D doesn't light my fire) and then selling the DS.

-Charles

cr0100 said:

Much as all are in love with the "find your batteries anywhere,
anytime" convenience of AA rechargeables,

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To me, this is not the major benefit of AAs.

It is being able to share batteries between my cameras from different manufacturers and my flashes.

cr0100 said:

for me NiMH batteries
inevitably mean that I'll be shooting a concert somewhere and I'll
go click-click-click and the batteries will just stop working.

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Please don't think that LiIon will miraculously only get empty when it is pleasing to you.

cr0100 said:

The thought of having a battery that holds a charge for more than a
week without being used, and that can then deliver 400-500 shots in
a row without worrying about it just dying is something that I look
forward to.

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Any good NiMH cell with a good charger can do that right now. If you don't recharge your battery (any technology) before an important event, you'll always run the risk of being surprised. Who can remember how many shots you've done on a set? Certainly not me.

cr0100 said:

field" with AAs from some store is a non-issue. When I travel,
it's always with two sets of 4 AAs, and a big nasty charger.

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Oh my, get a good&small AA charger, they don't cost much.

cr0100 said:

If I were to have the proprietary pack it would be
one extra battery and a (hopefully) not-as-large charger.

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So you don't carry batteries for your flash, or the DS/D/K100D/digicam you have as a backup?

cr0100 said:

As for the "but I've invested so much in the batteries I have now"
argument, I hope nobody is saying that!

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Not me. I'd pay Pentax major bucks to stay with the AA technology.

cr0100 said:

The only real bummer would be for those who plan on still using
their D or Ds (or DL) along with the new K10D.

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Or a flash. Or a compact camera that runs AA batteries.

Cheers
Jens

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'Well, 'Zooming with your feet' is usually a stupid thing as zoom rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
http://www.jensroesner.de/

JensR said:

Hi all!

I really hope this is just a hoax, buit somehow I fear it is not.
If the reason for this downgrade is to be able to handle the AF
motor in-lens, I'd rather stay with in-body AF motors, thank you.

There are two features the K10D should have for me: TTL and in-body
AA batteries. If it does offer neither, I'll think about switching.
With the current prices for Pentax glass, that shouldn't be too
hard.

Cheers
Jens

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Switch to a brand using AA batteries? Hmm... I understand the TTL flash thing. I don't worry much about the batteries but that may be because I don't use any flash that share the batteries with the camera.
Is it rude to ask in what direction your mind goes (thinking of jumping ship)?

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I think Pentax will do what it needs to get a big jump in performance. They need horspower for AS and the like. If they have a add on battery pack, that may be AA compatable.

Just MHO

wll

Hi Jonas!

Jonas B said:

Switch to a brand using AA batteries?

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Not many around. The reason is that AA and TTL and size are/were the main reasons for me to decide upon Pentax. Sizewise, other manufacturers have caught up, and if Pentax drops TTL and AA, I might as well switch to a brand that delivers in other regards.

Jonas B said:

Is it rude to ask in what direction your mind goes (thinking of
jumping ship)?

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I'm secretly hoping for Fuji showing a small S4semipro and Sigma showing an SD11. But I don't have any preference because basically every camera has or is likely to have flaws I don't like. Maybe in the end, Pentax still comes out on top, when balancing + and -, but I am very open regarding brand choice.

Cheers
Jens

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'Well, 'Zooming with your feet' is usually a stupid thing as zoom rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
http://www.jensroesner.de/

Ahoy Jens,
thanks for elaborating!

JensR said:

JensR said:

Switch to a brand using AA batteries?

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Not many around. The reason is that AA and TTL and size are/were
the main reasons for me to decide upon Pentax. Sizewise, other
manufacturers have caught up, and if Pentax drops TTL and AA, I
might as well switch to a brand that delivers in other regards.

JensR said:

Is it rude to ask in what direction your mind goes (thinking of
jumping ship)?

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I'm secretly hoping for Fuji showing a small S4semipro

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Yes, that would be interesting, way to go! But secretly it is no more. I won't go to their forum telling them though. They are starving for Fuji news since a long time by now...

JensR said:

and Sigma showing an SD11.

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With Sigma propriate lens mount? Oh oh.

JensR said:

But I don't have any preference because basically
every camera has or is likely to have flaws I don't like.

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True.

JensR said:

Maybe in the end,
Pentax still comes out on top, when balancing + and -, but
I am very open regarding brand choice.

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Maybe. 2 weeks to go now until first next step is revealed. I'm looking forward to get out of speculation mode, or rather out of the situation where I have too many unknown factors around.

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regards!

Jonas

Foxbat121 said:

What kind of logic is that? You originally posted about Lithium AA
and CRV3. Now you say I'm wrong because your RCRV3 is rechargeable.
We all know RCRV3 is rechargeable and also not officially
sanctioned by Pentax. But RCRV3 is not the same as CRV3.

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Wasn't me who brought up the AA's. However, I do owe you an apology because I should have read the post you were quoting more thoroughly. I didn't realize you were referring to a specfic battery - I just read your reply.

These are the batteries which I use - hence my referal to CRV3 rechargable lithium-ion batteries - and why your reply caught my eye:

http://www.thesourcecc.com/estore/Product.aspx?language=en-CA&catalog=Online&category=Lithium-lon+Rechargeable&product=2319299

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50 dollars for a battery? That's pretty hefty.
I have these:
http://www.digital-camera-battery.net/kodak-camera-batteries/cr-v3.htm
500-1000 raw pictures per charge.

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Jonas

I get about 800-1000 on mine as well - but I'm liking the price of yours a lot!!!
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Hi Jonas!

Jonas B said:

thanks for elaborating!

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"Babbling" you mean

Jonas B said:

Jonas B said:

and Sigma showing an SD11.

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With Sigma propriate lens mount? Oh oh.

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Well, Sigma Germany is just around the corner (ok 30min drive) where I work and lots of the issues with Sigma lenses are due to reverse engineering other manufacturers' lens mounts. It's a trade-off I could imagine to accept, if the camera delivers elsewhere.

Jonas B said:

Maybe. 2 weeks to go now until first next step is revealed. I'm
looking forward to get out of speculation mode, or rather out of
the situation where I have too many unknown factors around.

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Absolutely!

Cheers
Jens

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'Well, 'Zooming with your feet' is usually a stupid thing as zoom rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
http://www.jensroesner.de/

I know a problem with rechargeable AA's is that they auto-discharge pretty quickly. Which is I why I only use Lithiums. How about these Litium Ion ones, do they keep their charge (provided they don't explode, of course)?

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Gerard Stafleu

Yes, they keep charge as long as non-rechargeable Lithium batteries. That's why I'm happy with this change. One more minor advantage of Li-Ion accus is that they are far easier to exchange quickly - important thing if you do for instance wedding photos...

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Best regards
Sylwek