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My vote would be to eliminate the annonomous entries, it sucks the life out of discussions, and by the time you can talk about them it is old news as a new challenge has already started and people are thinking about new techniques.--ShayMy F707 Gallery: http://f707.shay.ws
 
I have to say I don't mind putting my name my work but let's look at it from another side shall we... Those that are new to STF or photography will , I think, more likely to feel more comfortable participating in a challenge if they did it anonymously. For me, this my 3rd challenge, and I know I was quite nervous entering a photo in my first challenge. No matter how objective we are, work done by artists who are familiar to you ( and who you know are good) tends to get more attention and more reviews. This is not to say that we at STF can't be objective about the art...exemplified by an unknown winning the 5th Challenge. The other thing I have noticed with Challenge 7 is that the comments seem more objective and critical than before. I don't know if that would change if the commentator knew who the artist was. I don't think that the commentators should be anonymous either.

I understand both sides...what if in the next challenge you had a choice...would that work to satify both sides?

debadguy
--debadguy
 
That sounds reasonable. Those that want to talk about a photo can and posting their own photos in their own galleries won't be held up also, those that want to remain anonomous could until after voting. Or at least the winner if anonomous would have to claim the photo, or the second runner up would then lead the next challenge. I don't see a problem at this point with people wanting to post anonomously, but I know for myself, I want to talk about some pictures, both mine and some of the photographers.
--ShayMy F707 Gallery: http://f707.shay.ws
 
Sigh ... It was bound to happen sooner or later.

Why can't people just enjoy themselves? Disagreement is essential -- otherwise there would be no debate and no dialogue, both of which are the essence of what a forum is all about.

To anyone who thinks posting here is a "waste of time" and then contradict themselves by "wasting their own time" to post insults and flames, all I can say is goodbye and good riddance.

Anyway, this incident notwithstanding, I wish STF and the challenge the best of luck.

bluedot.
ZipperZ said:
Hello Stf'ers. It brings me great sadness that the challenges will
require tighter security due to the fact Carpe Diem has voiced
"possible" malicious intent.

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1009&message=1975335
His comments about PBase has prompted me to change the password asap.

I have emailed the password to Yehuda and he may make decisions as
to keep it open or request all future entries be emailed to him or
the future hosts.

you only alternative is to view and make comments to the entries
http://www.pbase.com/stfchallenge

again, there was not alternative and i had to act quickly
sorry people
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Excellent points made by everyone...

How about the following:

If you don't desire anonymity - Post your entries in your own gallery. Then, email links to them to the moderator so they can copy it to the Challenge gallery (is this possible???). This would, theoretically, minimize the upload time for the moderator.

If you do desire anonymity - Email your entries directly to the moderator or in a "secret" gallery so the moderator may post for you.

Tom L.
Shay said:
That sounds reasonable. Those that want to talk about a photo can
and posting their own photos in their own galleries won't be held
up also, those that want to remain anonomous could until after
voting. Or at least the winner if anonomous would have to claim the
photo, or the second runner up would then lead the next challenge.
I don't see a problem at this point with people wanting to post
anonomously, but I know for myself, I want to talk about some
pictures, both mine and some of the photographers.

--

Shay

My F707 Gallery: http://f707.shay.ws
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--DSC-F707Sticker Orientation: OFF
 
Hmmm...

I obviously missed quite a bit of activity over the last day or so. Perhaps for the best.

I am not sure what to say about everything that has taken place. I will simply say this - I will be more circumspect in the future about how, when and where I "uncork my pie-chute" (not directed at you Zip :)) in the future. There is a lot of ignorance in this world and I am certainly a contributor to the sum. I will endeavor to take an extra moment from now on to consider the validity, soundness, and, ultimately, the value of my posts before submitting them.

Let's try to get back to the fun and discourse that makes this Forum a blast...

Tom L.--DSC-F707Sticker Orientation: OFF
 
Truly, the forum has become a microcosm of 'real-world' realities. This includes the risks of possible terrorism in the forum and upon its artists' properties. :(

We are definitely all affected by these awful attitudes, even while we try to lead normal lives with an effort to trust one another to do the right thing.
ZipperZ said:
Hello Stf'ers. It brings me great sadness that the challenges will
require tighter security due to the fact Carpe Diem has voiced
"possible" malicious intent.-- Ulysses
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... but I know for myself, I want to talk about some
Shay Stephens said:
pictures, both mine and some of the photographers.

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You are right, Shay...
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I am going crazy not able to freely exchange ideas and get some great tips during a challenge that allow for me to improve myself for the future challenges...I don't know whether a 1-2 day break between challeges would be good idea to be able to do the things you are talking about...

debadguy--debadguy
 
Photopoint (now gone, obviously) used to have a feature where you could set up a private album and give people a password that you create, in order to view any of the pics on that album. Pbase does not have this....at least I can't see where it does. Is there another photo sharing site that's still in business that has this feature, and wouldn't this help, at least in some way? K.
David Pichevin said:
debadguy said:
ZipperZ...

What about the next challenge...I assume the "risk" will remain in
the future. I don't know if the next host will be able to keep up
with all the upload requests he or she may get. What's to stop CD
or anyone from signing up with a new sign on, gain access to pbase
in the future and doing something. Would there be a way to keep a
duplicate/ backup of the challenge continuously so that if there
was a security breakdown and disruption in the challenge the backup
could get back on track?

Thanks for watching out for us...
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To do that, I think that it would have to be done somewhere else
than PBASE. The site is great, but to do things like the challenge
and keep a reasonable security, it's not well adapted.

It would require a system with user registration, a user/password
per person, and the ability, with that username, to post and modify
only their own posts.
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My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp
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ohhhh I have ideas, but take them with a grain of salt... they aren't at ALL meant to be an insult to anyone who has worked so hard at the challenges.

Here's my thoughts...

First, I'd like to see that we stick with the notion of "challenge". I don't think the exhibition category should be allowed. The idea of a challenge is to go out a shoot photos specifically for the topic, not dig through you old photos just to display them. We all have our own galleries for that :)

Because this is the Sony Challenge, run by Sony camera users for Sony camera users, it should be limited to people with Sony cameras.

I don't think winners should be selected. It's not a contest. During the voting stage we should select the ten photos we like, in order of how we like them. #1 (the least favorite) gets 1 point, number 10 (the most favorite) gets ten points. When voting is done, the person with the most points get to do the next challenge. They aren't a winner (or "the best"), they are the person who gets to pick the next challenge topic and run it if they want to... or they can default it down to the 2nd or 3rd person with the most points.

This point system helps illimate someone just sweeping the challenge. I could pick my best friends photo in the #10 spot (giving them 10 points) but someone else could get placed into the #5 spot 10 times (getting 50 points). It's not based on the number of times you get voted for, but the number of points your photos receive. This also gives each person an idea of how their photos ranked compared to others, even without comments.

When we vote, we should have to leave comments with at least five of our votes, saying what we liked about the photos we've voted for.

Submitting anonymously should be optional. If a photographer is comfortable leaving their screen name (which is already anonymous to most of us) they should. If they choose to leave their real name, that's there option too. If for no other reason than for copyright purposes, people should be ABLE to leave some identifying signature with their photo.

Can you tell I've thought a lot about this? LOL

Amy--beauty is really in the LCD/EVF of the beholder http://www.something-fishy.com/photography
 
Amy, I was thinking along the same lines. What you've described is called "nominal group technique" in consultant-speak. How about multivoting instead -- every participant gets around 20 votes to distribute any way they like, even putting all their votes on one picture if they care about it that much.... we'd get a real group consensus that way, too, with a bit more freedom. Either method would work.

I'd also favor voting by email, rather than in a thread, just to make the scoring and bookkepping easier..

Finally, it might be a good idea to put a "discussion period" in between the close of entries and the actual voting period. That way, everybody gets a chance to talk about things... though I'm not sure how to do that anonymously.
SFishy said:
ohhhh I have ideas, but take them with a grain of salt... they
aren't at ALL meant to be an insult to anyone who has worked so
hard at the challenges.

Here's my thoughts...

First, I'd like to see that we stick with the notion of
"challenge". I don't think the exhibition category should be
allowed. The idea of a challenge is to go out a shoot photos
specifically for the topic, not dig through you old photos just to
display them. We all have our own galleries for that :)

Because this is the Sony Challenge, run by Sony camera users for
Sony camera users, it should be limited to people with Sony cameras.

I don't think winners should be selected. It's not a contest.
During the voting stage we should select the ten photos we like, in
order of how we like them. #1 (the least favorite) gets 1 point,
number 10 (the most favorite) gets ten points. When voting is done,
the person with the most points get to do the next challenge. They
aren't a winner (or "the best"), they are the person who gets to
pick the next challenge topic and run it if they want to... or they
can default it down to the 2nd or 3rd person with the most points.

This point system helps illimate someone just sweeping the
challenge. I could pick my best friends photo in the #10 spot
(giving them 10 points) but someone else could get placed into the
  1. 5 spot 10 times (getting 50 points). It's not based on the number
of times you get voted for, but the number of points your photos
receive. This also gives each person an idea of how their photos
ranked compared to others, even without comments.

When we vote, we should have to leave comments with at least five
of our votes, saying what we liked about the photos we've voted for.

Submitting anonymously should be optional. If a photographer is
comfortable leaving their screen name (which is already anonymous
to most of us) they should. If they choose to leave their real
name, that's there option too. If for no other reason than for
copyright purposes, people should be ABLE to leave some identifying
signature with their photo.

Can you tell I've thought a lot about this? LOL

Amy
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beauty is really in the LCD/EVF of the beholder
http://www.something-fishy.com/photography
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--EricF707 http://www.pbase.com/erichocinc
 
Thanks for the comments Eric...

The reason I suggested it this way is because if anyone could put all 20 votes on one image it defeats the purpose of a "challenge" (as opposed to a contest). More people get feedback and comments if 10 images have to be selected.

I think we should continue to vote by thread... again, because this is a challenge, not a contest. The idea is to talk about the pictures, and the comments people leave with their votes.

I like your idea of a discussion period, but I'm not sure it's completely necessary. Discussion can happen simultaneously with voting, and even after the voting is done... and that should be encouraged! I also think that's part of the reason being anonymous should be optional. In past challenges people would start posts with their own challenge entrees asking for opinions, and it really kept the dialogue and excitement going.

Amy
erichocinc said:
Amy, I was thinking along the same lines. What you've described is
called "nominal group technique" in consultant-speak. How about
multivoting instead -- every participant gets around 20 votes to
distribute any way they like, even putting all their votes on one
picture if they care about it that much.... we'd get a real group
consensus that way, too, with a bit more freedom. Either method
would work.

I'd also favor voting by email, rather than in a thread, just to
make the scoring and bookkepping easier..

Finally, it might be a good idea to put a "discussion period" in
between the close of entries and the actual voting period. That
way, everybody gets a chance to talk about things... though I'm not
sure how to do that anonymously.
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--beauty is really in the LCD/EVF of the beholder http://www.something-fishy.com/photography
 
I agree, it's a challenge and not a contest. The fun of it is seeing the pictures and talking about them. As it is now, that freedom is squashed. The "winning" aspect just gives a goal to do as good as you can, and as you said is nothing more than a way to pick the next challenge topic. I also like the idea of eliminating the old photo submission, it just fills the gallery up with photos that don't contribute to improving your skills now . The other camera submissions should probably not be allowed either, as we all have Sony cameras and the discussion and tips would be better limited to those that can be easiest to implement.

Keeping the challenge simple and fast will be better for all to have fun and improve in their skills.--ShayMy F707 Gallery: http://f707.shay.ws
 
Amy...

As we progress with future challenges we are likely to get more and more participation...do you think limiting the number of entries to 3 per person woud not only improve the quality of the entries but also slightly decrease the volume of photos in each challenge...reviewing over a 107 entries is a daunting task. I fear that in the future we might get upto 150 or so. Just a thought...

debadguy--debadguy
 
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