Any E-10 expatriates?

I am considering selling my E-10 and buying a D30.

Why? The silliest reason is I want a camera with 2:3 aspect ratio. But also I'd like to start building a collection of L-series lenses that I can keep from one camera to another.

Any advice? And anyone done this exact exchange and now have regrets?

Thanks

Tom

Tom,

I have the E10, E20 and now the D30.

The E10 I had given to my parents but they just gave it back to me as my father thoiught it was too heavy for him to lug around, he decided he wants a point & shoot camera. Now I have three cameras which are too many!

They are all great cameras but I'm really enjoying the D30, but be careful I swore to myself that I was only going to get one lens at the moment (28-70L) but now I find myself salivating over the 16-135 and the 50 1.4.

Am I getting lens fever? I hope not!

Oh and to answer your question, I only have the D30 for a few days but I love it!

regards,
blang

Yes! Moved from E-10 to D30 about 6 weeks ago. I was finding the E-10's various limitations, well, limiting. The D30 has been a revalation. The only things I miss are the live preview and fast focusing of the E-10.

I've absolutely no regrets, but I've spent a lot of money....

Tom Conte said:

I am considering selling my E-10 and buying a D30.

Why? The silliest reason is I want a camera with 2:3 aspect ratio.
But also I'd like to start building a collection of L-series lenses
that I can keep from one camera to another.

Any advice? And anyone done this exact exchange and now have regrets?

Thanks

Tom

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--Cheers,Stuart Rider.

Stuart,

Thanks, I appreciate the reply. Did you sell your old E-10? If so, what did you get for it?

I've seen D30's dropping to around $2300 (from reputable dealers). That's tempting as well. (Too bad I missed the 1GB MD promotion offer, though.)

Thanks again,

Tom

I use to have E10, until I sold it to my friend who is starting out as serious digitography. I liked E10 very much for the purpose it served me and my friend loves E10 for the purpose it serves him. We all come out a winner.

I am not saying one camera is better than the other...no flame war here. Franckly, I fell in love the "L" lenses for taking natural light photography. I am not talented as Jaja...so I need more "L" equipment

With the money I got for E10 and all the E10 accessories, I got a second D30 and Sigma 20mm1.8. I got my first D30 about 6 months ago. I have absolutely no regret. For what I do, I have all the lenses I need (knock on wood); 20mm1.8, 50mm1.4, 20mm-70mm2.8L, and 70mm-200mm4L.

I have also "perfected my digital darkroom" workflow for D30. I will stick with D30 for "long" time.

Enjoy...
SE

Tom Conte said:

I am considering selling my E-10 and buying a D30.

Why? The silliest reason is I want a camera with 2:3 aspect ratio.
But also I'd like to start building a collection of L-series lenses
that I can keep from one camera to another.

Any advice? And anyone done this exact exchange and now have regrets?

Thanks

Tom

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You didn't miss the promotion, it's been extended to 1/31/02.

I sold my E-10 four months ago and no regret so far. D-30 is handling more like regular SLR also reviewing and processing pics is faster. Don't try to save money on lenses just get L lenses. My first L lens was 28-70, shhhaaarpp and excellent color.
Darius.

SeKang said:

I am not saying one camera is better than the other...no flame war
here. Franckly, I fell in love the "L" lenses for taking natural
light photography. I am not talented as Jaja...so I need more "L"
equipment

With the money I got for E10 and all the E10 accessories, I got a
second D30 and Sigma 20mm1.8. I got my first D30 about 6 months
ago. I have absolutely no regret. For what I do, I have all the
lenses I need (knock on wood); 20mm1.8, 50mm1.4, 20mm-70mm2.8L, and
70mm-200mm4L.

I have also "perfected my digital darkroom" workflow for D30. I
will stick with D30 for "long" time.

Enjoy...
SE

Tom Conte said:

I am considering selling my E-10 and buying a D30.

Why? The silliest reason is I want a camera with 2:3 aspect ratio.
But also I'd like to start building a collection of L-series lenses
that I can keep from one camera to another.

Any advice? And anyone done this exact exchange and now have regrets?

Thanks

Tom

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Hi Tom,

I sold my E-10 in late November and bought the D30. While I, too, like the 3:2 aspect ratio, the main reason is wanting more lens flexibility. The E-10 is a great camera. It focuses better than the D30, which is a hilarious thought after having listened to a year's worth of moaning about E-10 focus problems on the Oly SLR forum. But in strong light the D30 autofocus is just fine and you'll find yourself using manual focus a lot anyway. (What did people ever do before autofocus?) I love(d) the E10, but have no regrets, absolutely none. But you'll quickly get sucked into the innumberable lens debates in this forum and find yourself pouring over lens charts and price lists. Save your money. When you own a D30 it just flies out of your wallet!

Tom Conte said:

I am considering selling my E-10 and buying a D30.

Why? The silliest reason is I want a camera with 2:3 aspect ratio.
But also I'd like to start building a collection of L-series lenses
that I can keep from one camera to another.

Any advice? And anyone done this exact exchange and now have regrets?

Thanks

Tom

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--Joe Hawblitzel

No regrets at all. I bought my D30 about 3 months ago and then after a couple weeks sold the E-10 by just placing a post in the Oly forum stating that I might sell it. I got $1100 for it but that was then.

The D30 focuses much better than the E-10 even with the 28-135mm lens I use most often. I hardly ever get an OOF shot because of the camera. The only thing I miss is with the E-10 photos, I was able to print 5X7, 8X10, etc. With the D30 I'm still racking my brain trying to print photos at standard sizes. For example an 8X10 comes out at approx. 8X9. Really screws up trying to put the photos in standard frames. It doesn't make sense that I have to go through this. I use Photoshop, Qimiage Pro and the Breeze software but can't resize to the size I want for printing. If anyone can direct me to a web site that would explain this to me I would appreciate it. The E-10 printed the size I picked perfectly. I know it's me and not the camera or software. Sorry to get off topic. Get the D30. You'll never look back.

Walt

Tom Conte said:

I am considering selling my E-10 and buying a D30.

Why? The silliest reason is I want a camera with 2:3 aspect ratio.
But also I'd like to start building a collection of L-series lenses
that I can keep from one camera to another.

Any advice? And anyone done this exact exchange and now have regrets?

Thanks

Tom

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Yes one regret now. I manged to dirty the D-30's CMOS.
I do not like my solutions.

I have two L lens, 28-70 and new 16-35. Expense yes, but like
you the are to be kept for a very long time.

I will keep my E-10 for a while.

Bill

Tom Conte said:

I am considering selling my E-10 and buying a D30.

Why? The silliest reason is I want a camera with 2:3 aspect ratio.
But also I'd like to start building a collection of L-series lenses
that I can keep from one camera to another.

Any advice? And anyone done this exact exchange and now have regrets?

Thanks

Tom

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Tom

had the E-10 for a year and have a D30 now since 1.5 months.

In general the D30 will solve some of the limits of the E but also comes with its own limits.

Focussing is about the same in good light but in low light and on surfaces without contrast the E focusses much better.

Dont cheap out on the lenses. I have the 28-70 L, 100-400 L, 50 1.4 and the 70-200 L IS is on order. Still debating about the wide angle whether to go for the 16-35 or use a prime instead.

Sometimes i miss the life preview (shooting fireworks for example) and the ability to take pictures without people knowing.

Still have the E as a backup.

--Michael SalzlechnerStarZen Digital Imaging http://www.starzen.com/imagingE-10 / D30 Photo Albums http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1605723

Walt you need to crop the D30 images. Photoshop lets you crop by aspect ratio, number of pixels or image dimensions (in inches/cm etc). If you crop to the exact image size (e.g. 8"x10"), make sure you have converted your imaghe to the correct DPI for your printer (240 dpi works well for the Epsons).

Walt said:

Walt

Tom Conte said:

I am considering selling my E-10 and buying a D30.

Why? The silliest reason is I want a camera with 2:3 aspect ratio.
But also I'd like to start building a collection of L-series lenses
that I can keep from one camera to another.

Any advice? And anyone done this exact exchange and now have regrets?

Thanks

Tom

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Thanks Andrew. I'll give that a try. I think I tried it once and it still didn't work right. I don't think I converted the image to the correct DPI though.

Walt

Andrew Grant said:

Walt you need to crop the D30 images. Photoshop lets you crop by
aspect ratio, number of pixels or image dimensions (in inches/cm
etc). If you crop to the exact image size (e.g. 8"x10"), make sure
you have converted your imaghe to the correct DPI for your printer
(240 dpi works well for the Epsons).

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Walt60320 said:

Thanks Andrew. I'll give that a try. I think I tried it once and it
still didn't work right. I don't think I converted the image to the
correct DPI though.

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In Photoshop, use the rectangular marquee ( select ) tool, and go to the options tab, or that toolbar-ish area at the top of the screen, if you have PS 6. Look for something along the lines of 'mode' and choose 'Constrained Aspect Ratio.' For width enter 10, and for height, enter 8. Or vice versa. Then select the area you want. Go to the Image menu, and select Crop.

I never bother setting the PPI in Photoshop ... I just save down a jpeg file that's 3000x2400 pixels, and send it to the lab to have printed at 8x10 ... they're smart enough to do the math for me.

I got my E10 November 2000 and used it till May 2001 when I got my D30. The speed of handling, clarity of the picture (yes, those noiseless pixels are worth more), and interchangeble lenses make it really no comparison. With the E10 I had the Fl40 flash and the LiPo grip that allowed coaxing my E10 to work with the Microdrive. Even with that combo the batteries on the D30 just go on and on by comparison.

I use yarc batch processing so shoot raws on the D30 100% of the time. This is much easier than processing of raws on the E10 (or correct me if I'm wrong but last year there was still no good batch raw processor)

I've purchased the following lenses for my D30:

1. 24mm 1.4 L - I use this for panoramics with the lens alligned vertically and for general high quality shots
2. 50mm 2.51 Macro

3. 28-135 IS (great travel lens. - oh did I mention - the IS feature is for real. This makes the low light capablity (hand held) much better than the E10)

4. 100-400 L IS - great for candid relative shots and wildlife (same thing sometimes)

I use 2 different microdrives and have the 550ex flash and plan to get another one for more flexible use.

My D30 had to be sent back to Canon and the factory adjustments on the camera regarding flash work was way way way way off. (about 2 stops - basically broken) It came back in 10 days perfect however and I've had no other problems.

Dust - the big E10 plus you always hear about. I got a gigantic sqeeze bulb for blowing dust and have only needed to use it once. After that first use I have gone to freezer bags to hold the lenses and am careful when changing them. I have never had another dust incident and the first one wasn't that bad. This is with about 15,000 pictures so far.

I still have my E10. My son uses it and we keep it as a spare. Once the newer D30 - D60 or whatever comes out in the evolutionary line of the D30 - I'll be getting that and the D30 will be my spare and my son can keep on a permanent basis the E10.

Wait till you see a print on your Epson 2000p printer of sky on the D30. Or the smoothness of the backgrounds on portraits. Better than film and much better than the E10.

Enjoy

John Mason - Lafayette IN

P.S. One thing that always seems to come up on the Olympus forum about these comparisons is that why are people comparing them. They are for different market segments and the cost is, once lenses are purchased, is much more expensive. But, as opposed to the E10, as you build your lens collection you have an asset you can use for years - especially those very very nice but expensive L lenses. I will just keep upgrading the body when the technology tempts me enough. The 1d is a photo-journalists camera and I think the next D30+ offering will be better for my landscape panoramic photography at least or until the banding issues are addressed.

All done for real now--John Mason - Lafayette, IN

Tom Conte said:

I am considering selling my E-10 and buying a D30.

Why? The silliest reason is I want a camera with 2:3 aspect ratio.
But also I'd like to start building a collection of L-series lenses
that I can keep from one camera to another.

Any advice? And anyone done this exact exchange and now have regrets?

Thanks

Tom

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I too, like most expatriates changed my E-10 into a 70-200 2.8L for all the same reasons why most others did. I found myself limited with the E-10 (although I loved it) and wanted to expand to the different lenses (L). No regrets on this end. The D30 does a great job.

Enjoy
Tom

Hi Tom,

I got the E-10 12 months ago and the D30 6 months ago. The E-10 got my photographic juices flowing again but I soon found that I wanted more, especially interchangeable lenses. Unfortunately, I caught "lens fever". I originally got the D30 with the Canon 24-85. Now the collection reads:
Canon 20 f2.8
Canon 28-70 f2.8L
Canon 85 f1.8
Canon 70-200 f4L
Canon 300 f4L

The E-10 was kept as a backup but I find I am using it less and less. It will have to go to help finance my next lens purchase (Canon 16-35L).

All in all there is nothing I miss about the E-10. I sure you will feel the same.
Enjoy.
--John W

When I looked at the prices of lenses equivalent to what's on my E-10, well, it gave me pause. (Actually there is no equivalent to a 35mm equiv 28-135mm f2-2.8 lens out there for the D30.)

Are there any good sources of used lenses? Maybe that would balance things a little.

Thanks for all your comments.

Tom

Tom Conte said:

When I looked at the prices of lenses equivalent to what's on my
E-10, well, it gave me pause. (Actually there is no equivalent to
a 35mm equiv 28-135mm f2-2.8 lens out there for the D30.)

Are there any good sources of used lenses? Maybe that would
balance things a little.

Thanks for all your comments.

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A couple of points Tom,

1) Getting to a 28mm effective focal length is expensive on the D30. I think you still need an add on lens even with the E-10 though?

2) Because the D30's sensor is less noisy at 400 ISO tthan the E-10's at 80 ISO, you do not need an F2 or F2.8 lens on the D30 to achieve the same results. One option would be the 28-135 IS lens which is slower than the Oly lens, but has image stabilization in addition to the better D30 sensor behind it. When you need a really fast lens, the 50/1.8 costs less than $90.

Andrew Grant said:

A couple of points Tom,

1) Getting to a 28mm effective focal length is expensive on the
D30. I think you still need an add on lens even with the E-10
though?

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Actually it is 35mm, 28 requres a wide angle addition. Good point!

Andrew Grant27981 said:

2) Because the D30's sensor is less noisy at 400 ISO tthan the
E-10's at 80 ISO, you do not need an F2 or F2.8 lens on the D30 to
achieve the same results. One option would be the 28-135 IS lens
which is slower than the Oly lens, but has image stabilization in
addition to the better D30 sensor behind it. When you need a really
fast lens, the 50/1.8 costs less than $90.

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That 28-135 3.5 IS USM does look attractive. I read the specs and it looks like it's a relatively compact lens too. The tele range would be nice. It's probably what I'd get. I'm still on the fence, however.

Thanks again

Tom