EOS 400D has anti-dust and Sony style info

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Canon users now have a vibrating AA filter assembly which shakes off dust, a 10.1 megapixel CMOS sensor, and a dial on the top of the camera instead of an LCD screen above the display or on the camera top; and a large 2.5 inch rear screen displaying shooting info in Sony/Minolta fashion.

The camera also offers 27 shots continuous in Large/Fine JPEG mode at 3 fps. This is only 73 shots less than the Nikon D80, and circa 200-500 shots less than the Alpha 100 :-)

See:

http://web.canon.jp/Imaging/eosdigital3/index.html
 
The camera also offers 27 shots continuous in Large/Fine JPEG mode
at 3 fps. This is only 73 shots less than the Nikon D80, and circa
200-500 shots less than the Alpha 100 :-)
From:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond80/

Nikon D80 offers 23 JPEG or 6 RAW frames at 3 fps. Canon 400D offers 27 JPEG or 10 RAW frames at 10 fps. Sony's continuous shooting speed is all a lie, with speeds ranging from 1 to 2.8 fps.

Another thing, both Nikon D80 and Canon 400D will have usable ISO 800 and 1600 images, unlike the Sony.

Anything else you want to compare?

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Nikon D80 offers 23 JPEG or 6 RAW frames at 3 fps. Canon 400D
offers 27 JPEG or 10 RAW frames at 10 fps. Sony's continuous
shooting speed is all a lie, with speeds ranging from 1 to 2.8 fps.
10 fps! Are you sure? The anouncements I have seen (on DCR) say 3...

The 400D sounds like a nice camera: 10MP and an eye-sensitive big LCD for info rather than the little mono screen (and little preview screen) of the 350D. They do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery...

Hope they have changed the grip though, as the 350D I was using at the weekend didn't handle anything like as well as the KM 5D.

Bob
 
Did you see the Nikon D80 samples from dcresource.com

http://www.dcresource.com/reviews/nikon/d80-review/gallery.shtml

If this is what you can expect of the D80 the Sony A100 is clearly
a far more better choice.

Ok the high iso on the D80 is better but the other photos are very
disappointing.
They look at tad soft ish..maybe they need some USM. At higher ISO the D80 looks a bit better...(nr processing improved maybe) Hard to say at this stage.

Canon...right well I dont like em, but..they have the edge sensor wise..though maybe they too will suffer at higher ISO levels..we shall see. I expect the same uncomfortable handling...(nasty handgrip)...the 350 VF was weedy to say the least...so that would need upgrading.

But Canon's sell! They just do! Why? Safety?

Anti dust on the Canon looks more effective than the not working that well Sony...

Very hard to say at this stage what the story will be...guess Phil is gonna be a busy guy over the next few months!

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The camera also offers 27 shots continuous in Large/Fine JPEG mode
at 3 fps. This is only 73 shots less than the Nikon D80, and circa
200-500 shots less than the Alpha 100 :-)
From:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond80/

Nikon D80 offers 23 JPEG or 6 RAW frames at 3 fps. Canon 400D
offers 27 JPEG or 10 RAW frames at 10 fps. Sony's continuous
shooting speed is all a lie, with speeds ranging from 1 to 2.8 fps.

Another thing, both Nikon D80 and Canon 400D will have usable ISO
800 and 1600 images, unlike the Sony.

Anything else you want to compare?

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here we go again

D80 has the same sensor as A100, noise will therefor be on the same level ...

Canon has increased the sensor res to 10Mp also, hence also increasing the noise level, but how much is to be seen. I take for granted that the canon will still be better noisewise, but not by much ... one of their big advantage over A100 and D80 have now decreased.

canon has 3 fps same as A100, but A100n was more like 2-3fps in reality .. we will see how fast 400D is when the reviews arrives
 
I dont think Canon changed the grip. Very stupid.

Look at Pentax small dslr can have comfortable handgrips.
 
The camera also offers 27 shots continuous in Large/Fine JPEG mode
at 3 fps. This is only 73 shots less than the Nikon D80, and circa
200-500 shots less than the Alpha 100 :-)
From:

http://www.dpreview.com/articles/nikond80/

Nikon D80 offers 23 JPEG or 6 RAW frames at 3 fps. Canon 400D
offers 27 JPEG or 10 RAW frames at 10 fps. Sony's continuous
shooting speed is all a lie, with speeds ranging from 1 to 2.8 fps.
Yes, the Nikon does 23 shots, that's why Phil's sound test shows 90 frames continuous at 3 fps, and that's why Nikon themselves state 100 frames. The 100 frames is a cut-off point they impose themselves. Sony's continuous shooting speed is just as much a lie as anyone else's - it is quoted, like Canon's, on the basis of a a shutter speed over 1/250th using manual exposure and focus.

I guess you read my own tests on the Alpha 100 posted here in other threads, but specifications need to be taken with a pinch of salt. It works both ways. Sony do not claim much by way of RAW sequence shooting, but in practice the situation is much better than the on-paper specs. Here's an extract from f2 Aug/Sept:

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RAW yielded a continuous burst of 92 shots in 40 seconds, before the first signs of slowing down. Again, this is not 3fps – it’s 2.3fps – but AF was enabled, and watching the attached lens, was operating between frames. SSS anti-shake was turned off. The buffer was cleared in under 2 seconds from taking my finger off the shutter, wondering just how fast the camera would continue. A second test with a more detailed view yielded 33 frames before slowing down, and a third test with AF turned off ran close to 3fps for a similar yield.

In JPEG Large Fine mode, the A100 said the 1Gb card would shoot around 240 images. In fact the JPEGs compressed down to 1.9Mb and the card filled up 515 shots – three frames short of totally full, with 6.4Mb to spare, but the A100 stopped and brought up a message on the menu screen saying ‘The camera is overheating, allow to cool down before continuing’…

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(that's why Nikon force the D80 to cut out at 100 frames, I suspect)
Another thing, both Nikon D80 and Canon 400D will have usable ISO
800 and 1600 images, unlike the Sony.

Anything else you want to compare?
I'll have plenty of opportunity as I'm down on Canon's list as of half an hour ago, already on Nikon's and just hope they have review samples available in 2 weeks as expected. Sony has not released all its review samples in the UK. Having bought a 'first delivery' A100, I'm keen to see whether the 'press kit' body has improved high ISO noise.

ISO 800 is fully usable, it's only 1600 which is an issue. I've been using 800 a bit more, and find that ACR 3.4 with max colour noise reduction and some luminance noise reduction works well. It's certainly no worse than, for example, a Canon 300D file at 800.

Full size: http://www.pbase.com/davidkilpatrick/image/65679469



Fuji today announced higher sharpness in the their 9600 replacement for the 9500, together with Hyperutility bundled, to enable users to shoot raw and extract more info from the 1600 speed files (which are excellent, but heavily mushed in JPEG form). Olympus announced a 10 megapixel mju yesterday. This story of high megapixel count and high ISOs is going to run and run.

David
 
I sense a Canon troll is amongst us!

The Sony has better data write speeds than the Canon or Nikon cameras, at least doubling their memory recording speeds. The Sony is reivewed as 2.85fps NOT 1fps.

The improved data speed gives you greater flexibility; you can shoot a burst and then return to normal shooting with less delay.

It's ISO 800 and 1600 are useable, they're just not as clean as the Canon ISO 800 or 1600. The gap isn't massive, and the Alpha ISO noise is pretty comparable to Nikon or Pentax.

In addition to the Sony's improved data speeds, it also has a few advanced features, and the anti-shake system. It is also better built and more ergonomic than the Canon 350D, so I presume this will be true for the 400D too.

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Canon has increased the sensor res to 10Mp also, hence also
increasing the noise level, but how much is to be seen. I take for
granted that the canon will still be better noisewise, but not by
much ... one of their big advantage over A100 and D80 have now
decreased.
The 10.1 megapixels equals, more or less, a prediction of 22 megapixels for full frame CMOS from Canon in a 1Ds MkIII shortly to be announced (or not, depending on the value of myths). Just as the 8 megapixels more or less matched the 16 full frame of the 1DS MkII.

The sensor in the new 400D is 22.2 x 14.8mm, normal Canon 1.6X. The viewfinder is only 0.8X with a 50mm lens (and 95% view) compared to the A100's 0.85X, but you also have to allow for the smaller actual field of the sensor, which makes it 0.76X the apparent window size. The visual impression will be of a considerably smaller viewfinder. This will make the Canon 30D look exceptionally good beside the 400D and the EOS 5D just amazing. Any potential Canon buyer trying all three cameras will have a 'stepped' viewfinder experience sufficient to push them towards the higher price models. This is good planning as far as Canon's marketing goes, but puts the 400D at a slight disadvantage to Sony, Pentax and Nikon models all of which will appear to have larger viewfinder images.

David
 
Oh dear about the heat problem!

I wonder if we'll start seeing dSLRs with more substantial cooling
systems built in...

Might go the way that PCs went... fans, heatsinks, etc etc.
I was quite surprised to have the camera shut down on me, but it was usable almost immediately afterwards, and there was no sign at all of extra noise on the final frames of the 500+ shot marathon continuous sequence. At least it brought up a friendly message, and didn't just 'break' and show ERR999 or something like that.

Is there any normal situation where anyone would want to shoot 500 shots in one unbroken sequence?

This is the first DSLR ever to be able to do it. I think it's probably the first and only DSLR which can shoot continuous sequences of raw with only minimal fps variations. I was amazed to get 90 raw shots at a speed slightly better than 2 fps.

Sony is very legally-minded. They won't officially support my user magazine (which Min/KM did for 25 years) mainly because I can publish a test which says 'this camera shot 33 raw frames at 2.5 fps on a SanDisk Extreme III'. They would not put a finding like this in any 'official' literature, because their legal dept won't allow it. If there was any risk of a buyer obtaining a camera, and a card, and finding they didn't get the same result, they would just never publicise such possibilities.

Doesn't explain why they advertiser 'low noise' as a special feature of the cam though! :-)

David
 
faux KM 5D, that is.
 
the higher-margin units. Same with the spot metering. At least they offered the grip, something I wish I had for my 5D.

I often read of such criticisms of Canon, but I am enough of a geezer to remember when Canon was in second or third place, not taken seriously, and Nikon ruled the serious photography world.

I doubt if their stockholders are too unhappy with that grip...on a camera that will probably well sell out all others this Christmas...
 
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I was refering to the mean little finget grip on the camera body, not to a vertical grip, which is a good selling point for Canon. I notice they are pushing the fact that this one has DoF preview - I hadn't realised that the previous models hadn't got this...

Bob
 

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