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Nikon is the only organization I know doing this:

they estimate everything applying full force full price the highest level possible. Then they start adjusting...

Now who does THAT (in regular basis) nowadays ?
noone, only Nikon

LOL
 
The Arizona Republic uses a mix of 1D series bodies and 20D bodies (and before that 10D). The 20D bodies have held up very well. A couple of advantages the 30D would have over the 1D series: smaller body, smaller battery, smaller charger. All important if you travel. The East Valley Tribune, the other daily in the Phoenix area, also uses a mix of 1D series bodies and 20D/30D bodies.

Of course the 1D series are faster and more robust. Image Quality is tie. Both offer outstanding IQ. I have always used the less expensive bodies (D60, 10D and 20D bodies) and gotten excellent service from them.

One thing to consider is that the ergonomics from the 1D to the 30D are pretty different. Switching from body to body on the fly or during a breaking news event can be disconcerting. That is why, when I was offered a 1D series and a 20D, I opted for two 20D bodies. That way I had two identical cameras (with identical batteries and identical battery chargers), to me was preferable to having two different cameras and all that entails.

I have travel a fair amount, and lugging multiple batteries and chargers around can be a pain.

My advice - going with 30D bodies is no problem. (Although for your hardcore sports shooters they might want to stay with 1D series bodies.)

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The plan for now is to switch over to Canon glass, though I DID mention to them there are adapters that will let you use Nikon glass on Canon bodies in the interim.

It's all waiting to go through the budget process right now.

I'm just curious to see what happens if they have to do a partial switch, where some folks get Canon bodies now and then the rest switch later. I predict when they see the high ISO performance of Canon's sensors, the folks still using Nikon bodies are gonna be maaaaaaad.
 
Terry M said:
I would think they need the more durable 1-series bodies, but
obviously cost is a concern.

What advice can you guys give?
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The 30D is quite a durable camera. I've put thousands of images and thousands of miles on my 20D, and it's never had any problems. I've dropped it on a few occasions, too, and also with no problems. The 1-series is great if you plan on shooting in Iraq in the middle of a dust storm, but for most newspapers, something like a 30D is plenty durable. Plus, with the low cost of the 30D, they can afford to buy two of them for less than the price of a single 1-series body-- and two is almost always better than one because having two bodies gives you a back-up. Plus, with the low cost of 30D's, you can afford to replace them in shorter intervals (typically well before their "durability" ever becomes an issue).
 
GazzaJagman said:
Canon's best glass is their long stuff and Nikon's 17-35mm blows
away CAnon's offerings...so go figure
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For newsprint, I don't think any slight differences in optical quality are going to show up at all. We're not talking highly-detailed landscape photos destined for fine art printing here. Splitting hairs on optical quality is kind of a waste of time for most newspapers. Slap on a bunch of third-party lenses, and readers would never notice the difference.
 
Terry M said:
They say they may have to stick with Nikons for their long glass
and use Canon for their wide to short telephoto work. Sheeesh!
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Try selling the long Nikon glass. Canon long glass is so much less expensive than Nikon glass anyways that you actually might not even lose much money. And you get IS with the Canon supertelephotos.
 
Richie S said:
They also need to look at the server space used up by the various
file sizes. I guess they can always shoot lower quality jpegs. As
they're just upgrading now and given how most newspapers work,
they're not always at the cutting edge of technology.
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JPEGs are typically just fine for newspaper work. It just gives you less flexibility with exposure adjustments and WB corrections. But even a low-tech newspaper should know what an external hard drive is. Going down to your local Costco or electronics store to pick up a ready-to-use USB high capacity external hard drive isn't exactly "cutting edge technology". Those things will hold plenty of RAW files. And when they fill up, you swap in a new one, label the old one, and stick the old one on the archive shelf like you would with a book. Heck of a lot easier than archiving film negs.
 
Oh I still use my D30, and it's hanging in there like a champ.

I'd imagine the sports shooters would get more use out of the 1-series focusing, though.
 
i don't know how long they meant... 200 F2 VR or 200-400 F4 VR, then they have the reasons. But these are mid range, not long

There's no reasons to keep Nikon if they are shooting with 400,500 and 600. Cheaper and better with Canon at this range for superteles. The IS alone have shifted many to Canon since 1999. Canon users only wish the other camp came out with competative products so we get prices drop or new design.
Terry M said:
They say they may have to stick with Nikons for their long glass
and use Canon for their wide to short telephoto work. Sheeesh!
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Terry M said:
Oh I still use my D30, and it's hanging in there like a champ.
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I've dropped my D60 a few times. Once I tripped over a leg of my tripod ( set up for a night exposure later on ) and also knocked it over, falling into wet grass.

I've used it in rain and snow storms, at the beach with sand blowing around ... really under a great deal of unpleasant conditions.

A D30 was found in the wreckage of the WTC, and while the camera wasn't useable, it wasn't destroyed , either ... and the microdrive inside was readable. I think being inside a collapsing skyscraper is more punishment than any of us plan or hope to doll out!
Terry M said:
I'd imagine the sports shooters would get more use out of the
1-series focusing, though.
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Yeah, that's probably true. A lot of PJs could get by with the lesser camera, though.
 
I am sure those cameras could hold up to the job but there is no doubt a 1D mark 2 N is camera many journalists would rather use for sports especially of the competition is using that.

It would be smart to wait for the end of August announcements, who knows, there could be something in between a 30D and a 1D mark 2 N that has faster than 3fps.
Forrest said:
Forrest41926 said:
Oh I still use my D30, and it's hanging in there like a champ.
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I've dropped my D60 a few times. Once I tripped over a leg of my
tripod ( set up for a night exposure later on ) and also knocked it
over, falling into wet grass.

I've used it in rain and snow storms, at the beach with sand
blowing around ... really under a great deal of unpleasant
conditions.

A D30 was found in the wreckage of the WTC, and while the camera
wasn't useable, it wasn't destroyed , either ... and the
microdrive inside was readable. I think being inside a collapsing
skyscraper is more punishment than any of us plan or hope to doll
out!
Forrest41926 said:
I'd imagine the sports shooters would get more use out of the
1-series focusing, though.
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Yeah, that's probably true. A lot of PJs could get by with the
lesser camera, though.
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Please email me when they sell the long glass.
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Chris, Broussard, LA
 
Shared long lenses are probably not your most reliable and worthy bang for the buck. Think about all the photographers and times the gear has been used and or abused. When the glass isn't the photographers it tends to not get the best treatment.
bikinchris said:
Please email me when they sell the long glass.
--
Chris, Broussard, LA
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Other than that, I would agree with you. However, I wonder if a D200 or even a D80 wouldn't serve them just a well.
Chubly said:
It would be smart to wait for the end of August announcements, who
knows, there could be something in between a 30D and a 1D mark 2 N
that has faster than 3fps.
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--
Bob
 
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