Collapsible umbrellas in UK?

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I am trying to pull together a lightweight and compact lighting kit that uses camera top flashes .... something like the one here on the Strobist site......

http://strobist.blogspot.com/2006/03/lighting-101-start-here.html

I have my stands, also suitable flashes, but I'm having trouble sourcing the kind of double folding umbrellas that Strobist recommends. They are the key to keeping it small..........

http://www.fjwestcott.com/products/umbrellas/collapsible.htm

Westcott have no representation in UK, and have not responded to emails either...

Any UK alternatives?.. any ideas?..

Thanks. :-)

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Regards,
Baz
 
Baz, do you know those small foldable umbrellas, in Germany known
by the name of the inventer: Knirps ?
http://www.knirps.de/1c74e5eddf5442f40ab3f9fce8160ac7.html
I can imagine to silver spray the inner side of a light coloured
'Knirps' and saw off the handle knob....
And there I was...expecting YOU to come up with a sensible suggestion.....

.... and being disappointed for the first time!! :-)

[There once was a popular add campaign in UK for the umbrellas you mention....

It showed a guy wrestling with one in a wind tunnel, and the brolly came out unscathed..

"You can't k-nacker a K-nirps!" :-)
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Regards,
Baz
 
I didn't know that they're advertising internationally ;-) but seem to remember the spot you outline.

But seriously, don't you think it's feasible? For a very flexible paint the 'pure aluminium' spray comes to my mind, often used for car repair and rims.
For something completely different:

Umbrella makers should be still alive in Britain (here no more..) - they shouldn't ask that much to recover the struts with a thin silver or white lining. Hey, if it works out you could offer them and make a fortune..;-)

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cheers, Peter

Germany
 
Have you tried the MikeM foam reflection-diffuser idea yet? It's far more portable than umbrellas. There's really no limit to how big you can make them and they lay flat for storage. In addition to using them as diffusers they can be rolled around the flash head to create a snoot, or placed to the side as a flag. A very handy device

Another great discovery was the use of an IV stand as a portable light stand. Compact but heavy cast steel base and 5 wheels for stability. I'd used one years ago with Monte never realizing what it was. Over the years I searched in vain for something similar in lightng catalogs, then I found one like this one linked here http://www.med-worldwide.com/product2509.html for a year or so at a thift store for $5. But it still didn't dawn on me that it was an IV stand because it was called "Pitch-It Sr." I though it was from some sort of baseball practice device. Turns out the name denotes the fact that hospitals can just pitch it in the dustbin rather than bother sterilizing it for reuse. Dirt cheap $30 each. It's great for rolling the off camera light around on location or for positioning a reflector in the studio.

Are you going to stick with your Vivitars or upgrade?

CG
 
In the UK, I'd try Speedgraphic.co.uk, they seem to have a fairly large selection of umbrellas, though not the exact ones mentioned on Strobist, but it might be worth giving them a ring.

Cheers
 
I have some Lastolite brollies that came with a kit, 36" diameter I
believe, and fold down to only 15" long...small enough?
I have been in contact with Lastolite just today. They don't do them anymore .. so look after yours, eh?

I want some that are a bit bigger, actually, 43-45" say.

Thanks anyway. :-)
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Regards,
Baz
 
I didn't know that they're advertising internationally ;-) but seem
to remember the spot you outline.
But seriously, don't you think it's feasible? For a very flexible
paint the 'pure aluminium' spray comes to my mind, often used for
car repair and rims.
I once saw what happened when somebody actually tried painting an umbrella! He was one of my students at adult evening classes....

.... (I used to teach the amateurs how to box their Brownies)

The results were horrid, very uneven, very grey, and no good at all -- AND the poor chap had spoilt a perfectly good rain umbrella. I think the silicone water repellent didn't help the paint stick! When he opened it there were showers of little bits fluttering down from the inside the canopy!
For something completely different:
Umbrella makers should be still alive in Britain (here no more..) -
they shouldn't ask that much to recover the struts with a thin
silver or white lining.
I anticipate problems sourcing an umbrella maker/repairer these days, and even more problems supplying him with the right kind of cover to put on it.

Mind you, I have had some favourite lighting umbrellas repaired here in UK, instead of just getting new ones -- simple things like replacing a strut/rib. But that was many years ago, many miles away, and the umbrellas were many weeks away from the studio.
Hey, if it works out you could offer them and make a fortune..;-)
Now Peter, what would I do with ANOTHER fortune? Give it to you? ;-)
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Regards,
Baz
 
In the UK, I'd try Speedgraphic.co.uk, they seem to have a fairly
large selection of umbrellas, though not the exact ones mentioned
on Strobist, but it might be worth giving them a ring.
I took a look at the site, and there is a good selection of standard types -- also a brolly box that looks OK....

... but no double folders that I could see.

Nonetheless, I will give them a call to see if they have any suggestions.

Thanks. :-)
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Regards,
Baz
 
Hiya Chuck,
Have you tried the MikeM foam reflection-diffuser idea yet? It's
far more portable than umbrellas. There's really no limit to how
big you can make them and they lay flat for storage. In addition
to using them as diffusers they can be rolled around the flash head
to create a snoot, or placed to the side as a flag. A very handy
device
Nope! That's all news to me. Please fill me in.
Another great discovery was the use of an IV stand as a portable
light stand. Compact but heavy cast steel base and 5 wheels for
stability.
Heavy? HOW heavy? I'm trying to make something I can throw over the 'other' shoulder and carry on the tube (read subway).

Mind you, I'm not averse to pressing equipment into service that was designed for use in applications different to photography. My background support system is a block and tackle arrangement made with parts sourced in a yacht chandlers -- low cost, and works a whole lot better than any of the purpose made stuff.

big snip
Dirt cheap $30 each.
[Hmm.. that is seriously cheap for something with a cast base and wheels. How about the pole? Does it break down at all?]

As it happens I have got my stands, and they were reasonably priced.

They're Manfrotto Nano stands, the successors to the Bogen model that Strobist suggest, and I have to say that they are good. Very light, but with a sizable footprint, and the folded size is really mini. Also, I do not need wheels at all in this application, especially not out of doors.
Are you going to stick with your Vivitars or upgrade?
Well, I know that you went for a Canon system that pleased you greatly, but the 285s have been very good to me, so I have no plans to pass them on just yet. I find their power more than adequate, and I prefer old fashioned switches and controls I can set by 'feel'.

(see note re. 285s at the bottom of this post)

The SB26 (that is also going to be part of this lightweight kit) is a real hassle by comparison. It is more adjustable all round, and does some clever tricks like strobing, but I hate the way I have to look at its LCD just to select/page through the menu system to the function I want. If I come back one minute later, to tweek it, I have to page all the way through to that function again....I always overshoot and have to come round again.

.....AND I have to put on my old man's reading glasses just to do it. Grrrrrr....... !!

I also have an old but well preserved Metz CT-1 hammerhead, which is a flash with serious grunt -- so much so it's a very satisfactory substitute for a proper studio head. Unfortunately its manual control is limited to full smack and nothing else, although I have found the auto apertures, choice of 5, very consistent in that model.
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Did you know that the 285 has the potential for MORE auto apertures than you think? Oh yes indeedy!.

Because of the simple way the auto apertures are implemented, it is perfectly possible to set half way "between colours" [red/blue, or yellow/red, say] and get those extra settings. The accuracy is perfectly fine; certainly no worse than the legitimate settings. It is even quite easy to open the sensor housing and cut additional click-stop notches in the little cam thing that revolves, if you are minded to do so. I did it with a craft knife.

Thank you for your interest, Chuck.
Be careful out there. :-)
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Regards,
Baz
 
Have you tried the MikeM foam reflection-diffuser idea yet? It's
far more portable than umbrellas. There's really no limit to how
big you can make them and they lay flat for storage. In addition
to using them as diffusers they can be rolled around the flash head
to create a snoot, or placed to the side as a flag. A very handy
device
Nope! That's all news to me. Please fill me in.
See: http://super.nova.org/DPR/DIY01/ MikeM, who'd seen me flog the idea of making mat board diffusers found some 3mm thick 9x12 white and black foam sheets. A few snips with sissors, a bit of velcro and you've got a very effective diffuser which folds flat and costs about $2 to make. I modifed his design a bit to make it a bit stiffer and more direct. Note that after taking the photos I found it necessary to stitch the two layers together on the edges. I could have just stapled them, but wanted a more finished look. The outer black layer is more for looks than function as the white layer is opaque.
Another great discovery was the use of an IV stand as a portable
light stand. Compact but heavy cast steel base and 5 wheels for
stability.
Heavy? HOW heavy? I'm trying to make something I can throw over the
'other' shoulder and carry on the tube (read subway).
The stand in the link is all aluminum and quite light, about 3kg. Probably not something you'd want to hall on the subway or as small as the 7' Bogen-Manfrotto stands I have. But I'm sure you'd find them handy in the studio.
Dirt cheap $30 each.
[Hmm.. that is seriously cheap for something with a cast base and
wheels. How about the pole? Does it break down at all?]
Actually $30 variety is for the fold-up base (5 legs). The pole has 4 section with twist/friction locks. Max extension is 74 inches, collapses to 30.

If you Google IV stands you'll see the ones with the cast bases. They run about $90 new.
Did you know that the 285 has the potential for MORE auto
apertures than you think? Oh yes indeedy!.
I recall you mentioned that in the past. Apart from playing around freezing water drops I always used mine in manual power; more predictable that way.

CG
 

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