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But I am afraid that this camera would cost $$$$! Based on 1DsII price and we know there is no competition for the new camnera, I predict its cost would be $8000.00 and up!
raoulJ said:
For once, I'll try to predict future too :

A new FF sensor with 30D's pixel density
=> 13MP in 1.3 crop and 21MP (or 22MP) in FF.
8.5fps in 13MP and 5fps in FF.
(This is a 60% speed increase in transfer rate over 1D(s)II/D2x,
which is not that bad !)
With a new Digic III => same (or better) noise level than 5D/1DII
at high ISO.

If they can do that, and add a smaller / modular body, then it
would be worth the wait !

Sooner or later, they'll do something like that, I guess.

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Like anything else, a NEW 12MP 1d would not be priced anymore then the 4500 the 1d II originally sold for..

MAYBE even LESS..

Look how much the 1d 4mp was.. Then when the Mark II came out it was cheaper.. The real question is, the crop factor.. If its FF the 12mp camera will be 4500, if its 1.3, which I hope, it will be 4000... I will guess that camera will be anounced real soon, but will not hit stores until March-April..

They CANT combine the 1d and 1ds into one, unless they want to lose sport shooter OR have a medium camera..

For the high end portrait/fasion photographers, they need HIGH MP, more then HIGH FPS.. I dont think canon can make a 22MP camera with 8.5 FPS without problems at this time..

And since a lot of sports shooter use 8.5 and want even more FPS, canon would have to a 1d body with 8.5FPS and 12MP to convince people to but a new camera, it would HAVE to either be cheaper then 4500 OR would have to have new feature..

I dont think Canon can get away with the currect AF system on the 1d anymore..

A NEW 1d for sports etc. would need a new AF system, to one up nikons.

Now, they MAY combine the 1d II and 1ds II, but you would still have to have another camera in the middle
 
Its not impossiable, but its an added costs for a camera that most people dont need 8.5FPS on..

I think its a trade, more FPS and 16MP, 22MP with maybe 5FPS or 22MP, 8.5FPS, but a few hundred dollars more in development costs..

Some companies allready make camera with bandwiths MUCH higher then 22MP at 8.5FPS, but these specialty camera costs more then a house...
Steven Noyes said:
Steven
raoulJ said:
For once, I'll try to predict future too :

A new FF sensor with 30D's pixel density
=> 13MP in 1.3 crop and 21MP (or 22MP) in FF.
8.5fps in 13MP and 5fps in FF.
(This is a 60% speed increase in transfer rate over 1D(s)II/D2x,
which is not that bad !)
With a new Digic III => same (or better) noise level than 5D/1DII
at high ISO.

If they can do that, and add a smaller / modular body, then it
would be worth the wait !

Sooner or later, they'll do something like that, I guess.

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I agree also, I need more DR, more then I need more FPS.. true sports shooters would disagree though....

Some extra bit would limit your maximum FPS bandwith, but I think you could easily do 8.5 FPS with 12mp and alot more bits
problem_child said:
I fight with it every day
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I don't know why everyone is so fixated on some minor upgrades. So what if it's a bit faster or there's a few more MP? The overall image is about the same and canon is slowly stringing along people who feel that have to have the lastest minor upgrade. I'll just wait 5 years and see what comes along. By then hopefully there will be some meaningful improvements.
 
Well, I need more then 8mp and even a minor AF improvment will save me on some shots.. I need lower light AF.. More like Nikon..

12MP would help.. Since it perfect for the little cropping a do..
Flower said:
I don't know why everyone is so fixated on some minor upgrades. So
what if it's a bit faster or there's a few more MP? The overall
image is about the same and canon is slowly stringing along people
who feel that have to have the lastest minor upgrade. I'll just
wait 5 years and see what comes along. By then hopefully there will
be some meaningful improvements.
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I buy that !

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mholdef said:
We've heard Canon will combine the 1D Mk IIN and 1Ds Mk II into one
camera, with more pixels, buffer and frame rate, but one question
(among several) is whether the new camera will be all full frame or
full + crop mode.
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I too think that Canon will make support for either 'binning' or a crop mode in its FF studio/landscape 1D camera, 1DsmkII at the moment.

But I definitely think that they need a lower priced 'action only' 1D camera also, crop sensor of course. Unless the new FF 1D is very cheap.
mholdef said:
Will know in next month and possibly on August 24.
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Unfortunate I start to belive that 24 august is 'only' the 350D upgrade.

Rebel XTi ?, what's an legend about that ? Same dissapointment as the Nikon marketing joke of the D80 ?, a fine camera but far from the arguments in the marketing campain.

An Rebel XTi with HDTV mode ?, the first DSLR with EVF ? nah.

Or is it the new sensor with changeble color filters per pixel, in an XTi or 1D ?

I guess that we have to sum up after Photokina ...
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Ben_Egbert said:
I assume a pro wears out the camera and has to replace it
periodically. Maybe Canon times its pro body releases to the
average replacement period. Or even a multiple of that period. Say
the average is 4 years, and they do a release every two years.
Eventually the pros have to upgrade if the old version is no longer
available.

If Canon wants to have just one merged body, they would need to
meet the needs of all target users.
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Without question. The PJs beat the cr@p out of their cameras. Even the guys doing a lot of weddings, remote product shoots, fashion, etc. put a lot of wear on their equipment. But I would guess this type of announcement would drive up demand for the 1DMk2/N -- it gets the job done most likely for less money than the new model.

I think the more "pro" you get, the more the equipment becomes a business decision. I'm not saying the pros don't suffer from gear lust, I'm sure they do. But I suspect you'll be less likely finding real pros buying new gear just because it's the latest model. There has to be a solid reason to upgrade.

Also consider many of the cameras used by news organizations are fleet cameras -- the individual photographers don't "own" the equipment, the company buys the equipment and the photographer signs it out on an assignment basis. I'm sure some photographers have company-owned camera bodies that are basically "theirs," but the decision to upgrade isn't soley the choice of the photographer. Corporate mangers and purchasing people are in the decision loop. That tends to force a higher level of business case justification. If you can't make a case for how a new camera will make the company's product better, it's going to be tough to get the funding. And a lot of newspapers are hurting right now, so big capital expenditures on new cameras probably will get very close scrutiny.

I'm not suggesting that Canon won't sell ANY of these cameras to pros. I'm just saying the business case (at least based on the specs offered) seems thin.
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The rumors is that Canon will announce a new sensor that better competes with mid range srl's. The rumor state sensor that:
1. Has more dr
2. 20+ meg

3. Larger sensor size that will need new lens. Current lens will work but they will only use a smaller part of the sensor and less meg.

This rumor has been posted on several web sites. In each case the owner of the site has deleted the rumor messages. Further, Michael R. has stated on his site that something very significant indeed will be announced by Canon shortly. He has been into mid range cameras as of late.

Draw your own conclusions or hopes. If this message gets deleted, will that will just add to the rumor. I have NO facts to support the rumor. Absolutely no facts. So please don't ask for them. Please don't start a contest to see who can come up with the best reasons to show why this rumor is totally false. Its a rumor only, nothing more.

bp
 
James A. said:
What do you think would be the likelyhood of Canon releasing a 12MP
1D series with 8.5fps for this year? Do you think that would be too
early and more likely a 2007 release is more likely?
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What about this:

Introducing the revolutionary EOS 3D.

Built from the ground up to represent the new face of digital imaging the EOS 3D will represent a breakthrough in high performance yet affordable photography. Featuring an elegant yet supremely functional design it takes the best of Canon's previous designs and enhances the experience even further. A high performance AF system featuring 27pt of which 11 are x-type down to f/4 while and the centre point is cross-type to f/5.6 and allows AF down to f/11. The AI servo performance has been significantly improved too, exceeding that of the 1D Mk II.

Also Canon proudly brings ECF to the digital era and is greatly enhanced in performance over that found in the Elan 7NE.

However, the true revolution lies in the heart of the camera. Packing an amazing 13.3MP into an APS-H sized sensor the images are processed by a new DIGIC III engine. The next generation DIGIC III Image Processor builds on the legendary abilities of the digic II with double the processing power necessary to deliver unprecedented levels of resolution, speed and dynamic range. Despite the EOS 3D having smaller pixels than the EOS 5D, the DIGIC III provides even greater DR, more accurate colour rendition improved WB and lower noise. ISO 50 and 3200 are now part of the standard ISO settings and ISO 25 and 6400 are now included as an expanded option. Also it further reduces power consumption allowing class leading battery performance.

Thanks to DIGIC III the EOS 3D also boasts an impressive burst rate of 6fps for 18 shots in RAW and 40 in jpg.

In addition the body adds several sealing gaskets to the all magnesium shell allowing for operation in more extreme environments. A new evaluative algorithm allows more accurate metering in extreme lighting and can even correctly expose subjects like snow. Also a 2.4% spot meter allows for precise metering of any part of the scene. The viewfinder shows an impressive 98% of the scene both horizontally and vertically. Also for the first time Canon will be employing 2.75" OLED display screen, offering superior resolution, brightness and power consumption to LCD screens and having markedly better performance in bright daylight.
 
thx1138 said:
James A. said:
What do you think would be the likelyhood of Canon releasing a 12MP
1D series with 8.5fps for this year? Do you think that would be too
early and more likely a 2007 release is more likely?
Click to expand...
What about this:

Introducing the revolutionary EOS 3D.

Built from the ground up to represent the new face of digital
imaging the EOS 3D will represent a breakthrough in high
performance yet affordable photography. Featuring an elegant yet
supremely functional design it takes the best of Canon's previous
designs and enhances the experience even further. A high
performance AF system featuring 27pt of which 11 are x-type down to
f/4 while and the centre point is cross-type to f/5.6 and allows AF
down to f/11. The AI servo performance has been significantly
improved too, exceeding that of the 1D Mk II.

Also Canon proudly brings ECF to the digital era and is greatly
enhanced in performance over that found in the Elan 7NE.

However, the true revolution lies in the heart of the camera.
Packing an amazing 13.3MP into an APS-H sized sensor the images are
processed by a new DIGIC III engine. The next generation DIGIC III
Image Processor builds on the legendary abilities of the digic II
with double the processing power necessary to deliver unprecedented
levels of resolution, speed and dynamic range. Despite the EOS 3D
having smaller pixels than the EOS 5D, the DIGIC III provides even
greater DR, more accurate colour rendition improved WB and lower
noise. ISO 50 and 3200 are now part of the standard ISO settings
and ISO 25 and 6400 are now included as an expanded option. Also it
further reduces power consumption allowing class leading battery
performance.

Thanks to DIGIC III the EOS 3D also boasts an impressive burst rate
of 6fps for 18 shots in RAW and 40 in jpg.

In addition the body adds several sealing gaskets to the all
magnesium shell allowing for operation in more extreme
environments. A new evaluative algorithm allows more accurate
metering in extreme lighting and can even correctly expose subjects
like snow. Also a 2.4% spot meter allows for precise metering of
any part of the scene. The viewfinder shows an impressive 98% of
the scene both horizontally and vertically. Also for the first time
Canon will be employing 2.75" OLED display screen, offering
superior resolution, brightness and power consumption to LCD
screens and having markedly better performance in bright daylight.
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This camera could make me forget all about FF. The focus improvements alone would be worth it.

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Two years ago, Canon execs confirmed plans for a single 1D body with a 16-17mp 24x36mm sensor shooting 8fps...one exec said $5000.

I believe they will deliver that, because executives don't make off-the-cuff remarks. If they said it, then Canon was confident of it even two years ago...they'll do at least as much as they've predicted.

However, I have a suspicion that Canon's sensor tech has surpassed their own expectations of two years ago (which is a long, long time in computer years). It's possible that they will release another body with a 20-22mp 24x36mm sensor shooting at 4-5fps at $8-10,000.

Another Canon exec said at the announcement of the 5D that Canon's future plans were to have "all but the least expensive" bodies sporting 24x36mm sensors, so I don't expect a NEW 1.3 sensor camera (although they may continue selling the current 1D Mk IIn for a while longer).

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That would be a great deal to have two bodies. I would be very interested in the 22MP body but $8000 is HUGE pricetag.

I could justify $5000 but $8000 is getting up there.

One thing you do see here discussed very little is image quality. I wonder how a 22MP sensor would perform on Canon's best lenses, if we'd seen an increased in the lens defects we see today but at the same time a different "fingerprint", kind of like you see with medium format.

Mark

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Not smaller and lighter. The 1DMkII weight is a non the issue when lugging the 300/2.8 or 400/2.8. And a lighter, smaller camera may not balance as well when using the two oft used sports lens.....
 
As a working journalist I find that 8mp is great for cropping and if need be I can set it to the 6 or 4 mp settings. It's not that hard. Canon is not going to stop development and add pixels just because some newspapers don;t need the added resolution.
tominboston said:
Remember the sports shooters and news PJs have two main issues:
speed and file size. More speed is good, bigger file sizes are
really bad. If you are sending shots back to the home office via a
wireless Internet connection, a camera that is no faster than a
1DMk2 yet nearly doubles the file size is not a selling point.
Some photographers working for glossy sports/news mags might be
interested, but for newspaper and Web publication I doubt there
would be much interest.

On the other hand, lower resolution compared to the current 1DsMkII
(and 5D) would make this camera a non-starter for the pros doing
advertising shots, model work, etc.

So it seems to me this camera would not find much appeal with the
real pros using 1D series cameras. It might be an interesting
option for wildlife shooters, but it would seem a very odd model to
throw over the wall as the first of a new generation of 1D cameras.

Tom
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mholdef said:
That would be a great deal to have two bodies. I would be very
interested in the 22MP body but $8000 is HUGE pricetag.

I could justify $5000 but $8000 is getting up there.
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Canon has been selling two bodies at the $4-5000 and $8000 price points for the last two years. I'm proposing that they may continue--but with significantly increased capabilities at each price point.
mholdef said:
One thing you do see here discussed very little is image quality.
I wonder how a 22MP sensor would perform on Canon's best lenses, if
we'd seen an increased in the lens defects we see today but at the
same time a different "fingerprint", kind of like you see with
medium format.
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Too many people pixel peeping at extreme corners at 100 percent. Digital sensors haven't yet surpassed thin-emulsion black and white films for resolution capability, and those films manage to pull still more resolution out of the current lenses.

There is still 4x5 used with lenses that have 8x10 coverage for people who want immaculately sharp , and if Canon DSLRs haven't surpassed that combination, that's not really a "defect" in Canon DSLRs.

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