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What do you think would be the likelyhood of Canon releasing a 12MP 1D series with 8.5fps for this year? Do you think that would be too early and more likely a 2007 release is more likely?
 
mholdef said:
We've heard Canon will combine the 1D Mk IIN and 1Ds Mk II into one
camera, with more pixels, buffer and frame rate, but one question
(among several) is whether the new camera will be all full frame or
full + crop mode.
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Sounds neat, - except that the !d Mk IIN is quite a lot cheaper than the 1Ds Mk II. So if you are suggesting 'combine' as in there will be just one 1D series camera I don't really see how. If you idea of 'combine' is that the 1Ds owner will get best of both world, - you might very well be right
mholdef said:
Will know in next month and possibly on August 24.

Mark

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For once, I'll try to predict future too :

A new FF sensor with 30D's pixel density
=> 13MP in 1.3 crop and 21MP (or 22MP) in FF.
8.5fps in 13MP and 5fps in FF.

(This is a 60% speed increase in transfer rate over 1D(s)II/D2x, which is not that bad !)
With a new Digic III => same (or better) noise level than 5D/1DII at high ISO.

If they can do that, and add a smaller / modular body, then it would be worth the wait !

Sooner or later, they'll do something like that, I guess.

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Raoul
 
But they have had 3+ years to improve the bandwidth. A 60% improvement in bandwidth in 3 years is NOT "not that bad", it would be embarrasing. There is no reason (unless Canon has been lazy) that we will not get 22MP @ 8.5 fps. No crop.

Steven
raoulJ said:
For once, I'll try to predict future too :

A new FF sensor with 30D's pixel density
=> 13MP in 1.3 crop and 21MP (or 22MP) in FF.
8.5fps in 13MP and 5fps in FF.
(This is a 60% speed increase in transfer rate over 1D(s)II/D2x,
which is not that bad !)
With a new Digic III => same (or better) noise level than 5D/1DII
at high ISO.

If they can do that, and add a smaller / modular body, then it
would be worth the wait !

Sooner or later, they'll do something like that, I guess.

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Raoul
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Remember the sports shooters and news PJs have two main issues: speed and file size. More speed is good, bigger file sizes are really bad. If you are sending shots back to the home office via a wireless Internet connection, a camera that is no faster than a 1DMk2 yet nearly doubles the file size is not a selling point. Some photographers working for glossy sports/news mags might be interested, but for newspaper and Web publication I doubt there would be much interest.

On the other hand, lower resolution compared to the current 1DsMkII (and 5D) would make this camera a non-starter for the pros doing advertising shots, model work, etc.

So it seems to me this camera would not find much appeal with the real pros using 1D series cameras. It might be an interesting option for wildlife shooters, but it would seem a very odd model to throw over the wall as the first of a new generation of 1D cameras.

Tom
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You are absolutely right

I for one would gladly upgrade from the 5D to such a camera if it were priced in between the 1D2N and the 1Ds2...

But clearly the question would be if the current 1D2N users would be pleased to spend more for more megapixels. Question might be how much more.

Perhaps that would explain the "3rd body" rumors. People say there will be an upgrade to the 350, a 3D with 5D sensor and higher frame rate and then the 1Ds3...

Will need to wait and see. Crazy how you get sucked into all this stuff!

:)

Mark
DaDane said:
mholdef said:
We've heard Canon will combine the 1D Mk IIN and 1Ds Mk II into one
camera, with more pixels, buffer and frame rate, but one question
(among several) is whether the new camera will be all full frame or
full + crop mode.
Click to expand...
Sounds neat, - except that the !d Mk IIN is quite a lot cheaper
than the 1Ds Mk II. So if you are suggesting 'combine' as in there
will be just one 1D series camera I don't really see how. If you
idea of 'combine' is that the 1Ds owner will get best of both
world, - you might very well be right
DaDane said:
Will know in next month and possibly on August 24.

Mark

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Bear in nmind that the 1Ds supports lower resolution jpegs. My Mark1 supports a Small Fine quality which is quarter number pixels of full res - a bit less than 3Mpixel. It does not gos down to the 1Mpixel of the original 1D but it is much smaller file than the full resolution and I would have thought it was small enough.

I don't know what size options the 1Ds mark 2 supports but there is no reason that any new hi-res camera cannot support multiple smaller file sizes even perhaps down to 1Mpixel with high compression for the jpeg. That would be plenty small enough.

A combined camera would really work for me. I travel to the USA and shoot stock for a library who wants 48Mb files. But main reason is to see my son and photograph some of his college basketball games where the extra speed is useful. Currently I take 2 cameras a 1Ds mk1 and a 1D Mk 2. With limits on baggage weight & size that has to be a help.
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...Sure others (like me) buy them, but the design focus has always been on meeting the needs of working professional photographers.

There might be some interesting workarounds to permit using one camera body instead of two (although most pros carry multiple bodies to have multiple lenses/camera settings available at any moment). I honestly don't believe a professional photographer heading off to cover a World Cup match or the Superbowl is going to have lightening his luggage as a top priority. Your point is valid, but I don't think it's a big issue for most working pros -- traveling with equipment is just part of the job.

I'm just saying the camera specs described in the original post would probably draw a cool reception from Canon's target audience for the 1D family. PJs (sports and news) will probably conclude their 1DMk2 is good enough -- not a strong incentive to upgrade for more MP (which most don't really need). And pros currently shooting a 1DsMk2 would probably view this as a step backward -- more FPS would be nice, but lower resolution would be a deal breaker.
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In 3+ years, the can provide about 4X the processing power/space used simply by re-hosting to current tech. This can be spent by:
1) providing similar performance in a smaller body.
2) providing same size but increased performance.
3) providing same size and performance but increase the bit depth.

I am for any 3 of these options (or various combinations).

Steven

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tominboston said:
...Sure others (like me) buy them, but the design focus has always
been on meeting the needs of working professional photographers.

There might be some interesting workarounds to permit using one
camera body instead of two (although most pros carry multiple
bodies to have multiple lenses/camera settings available at any
moment). I honestly don't believe a professional photographer
heading off to cover a World Cup match or the Superbowl is going to
have lightening his luggage as a top priority. Your point is
valid, but I don't think it's a big issue for most working pros --
traveling with equipment is just part of the job.

I'm just saying the camera specs described in the original post
would probably draw a cool reception from Canon's target audience
for the 1D family. PJs (sports and news) will probably conclude
their 1DMk2 is good enough -- not a strong incentive to upgrade for
more MP (which most don't really need). And pros currently
shooting a 1DsMk2 would probably view this as a step backward --
more FPS would be nice, but lower resolution would be a deal
breaker.
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I assume a pro wears out the camera and has to replace it periodically. Maybe Canon times its pro body releases to the average replacement period. Or even a multiple of that period. Say the average is 4 years, and they do a release every two years. Eventually the pros have to upgrade if the old version is no longer available.

If Canon wants to have just one merged body, they would need to meet the needs of all target users.

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Ben
 
tominboston said:
Remember the sports shooters and news PJs have two main issues:
speed and file size. More speed is good, bigger file sizes are
really bad. If you are sending shots back to the home office via a
wireless Internet connection, a camera that is no faster than a
1DMk2 yet nearly doubles the file size is not a selling point.
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You may well be right.
Then, another guess -maybe more realistic- could be
a 1DIII camera with same pixel size than 1DII and 5D,
which leads to
8.2MP APS-H at 8.5fps and 13MP FF at 5fps.
or, if a 20% increase in transfer speed sounds realistic,
8.2MP APS-H at 10fps and 13MP FF at 6fps.

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Raoul
 
raoulJ said:
Then, another guess -maybe more realistic- could be
a 1DIII camera with same pixel size than 1DII and 5D,
which leads to
8.2MP APS-H at 8.5fps and 13MP FF at 5fps.
or, if a 20% increase in transfer speed sounds realistic,
8.2MP APS-H at 10fps and 13MP FF at 6fps.
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and why not a second body 1Ds3, with 22MP FF at 4fps (same +20% transfer speed) ?
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Raoul
 
raoulJ said:
tominboston said:
Remember the sports shooters and news PJs have two main issues:
speed and file size. More speed is good, bigger file sizes are
really bad. If you are sending shots back to the home office via a
wireless Internet connection, a camera that is no faster than a
1DMk2 yet nearly doubles the file size is not a selling point.
Click to expand...
You may well be right.
Then, another guess -maybe more realistic- could be
a 1DIII camera with same pixel size than 1DII and 5D,
which leads to
8.2MP APS-H at 8.5fps and 13MP FF at 5fps.
or, if a 20% increase in transfer speed sounds realistic,
8.2MP APS-H at 10fps and 13MP FF at 6fps.
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If it would have all the same features or upgraded features from the current 1DMKII and better high iso for around the same price as the MKII, that would be a killer camera.
raoulJ said:
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Raoul
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Every PJ I know is shooting jpg, not RAW anyways,...unles they get in to a really wacky lighting situation....like very dark and they need to push to iso 6400..

You can already select smaller sized jpg compressions,...and that will be the case with every new camera coming out..

Heck,... sometimes, I am shooting just M1 on my MkII bodies.. I still have a decent sized file, and I get 455 pics on iso 100 with a single 2Gig card..

JP
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Being an amateur with just two main interest, birds and landscapes, I can only hope one of the new pro models will fit my needs. And I really hope it is Aug. 24th, getting tired of waiting, and probably can’t make it another year.

Anyway, I think a 12mp 1.3 crop upgrade to the 1DS-mk2n would be sufficient for my landscape work. Just barely, I like to print at 16x24, so slight uprez required. And of course it is an ideal bird set-up.

A 22MP 1Ds-mk3 would also fit the bill, especially if it is at least 5fps.

No matter, I still need some new glass for landscape work. A 24-70 that was sharp would fit the bill for a FF, for a 1.3 crop, I would still need to rely on my 17-40.

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