Nikon, please discontinue the D70s

Fortunatly, that it's not the case with D80. Noise is much lower than D70 nonetheless the mp difference. I had a chance to spend a couple days with D80 making some 300 photos and compairing them with what I get from D70 I currently own. D70 sucks in comparison, especially at high ISOs. Sorry, I can't post any pictures to prove my point, because I had a pre-production sample and Nikon did not let me publish any photos from it.

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Alexander '2poisonS' Sidorovsky
 
Because it can still get the job done.

People ask me why do you want to get a Nikon D1h??? it's over 7 years old!!!

If anything I hope Nikon dumps a &%&* Load of DSLRS to the market to drop the D2x in the used market.
It was bad enough around here with the D50 vs D70s debates, now we
can add the D80 to the "what should I buy" threads.!!!
D50, D80, D200 is enough.
You wouldn't buy a 2.5 yr old designed computer, so why buy a 2.5
year old D70s over a D80? This will divide the forum even more....

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D50 site
http://home.comcast.net/~nikon-d50/
Yellowstone-Teton Trip
http://home.comcast.net/~recentphotos/
Pentax istD Site
http://home.comcast.net/~pentax-istd/
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regards,
Long.
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D50 site
http://home.comcast.net/~nikon-d50/
Yellowstone-Teton Trip
http://home.comcast.net/~recentphotos/
Pentax istD Site
http://home.comcast.net/~pentax-istd/
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Mike L.

 
Oh really? Whats your opinion of it? Feel, autofocus, etc..
Fortunatly, that it's not the case with D80. Noise is much lower
than D70 nonetheless the mp difference. I had a chance to spend a
couple days with D80 making some 300 photos and compairing them
with what I get from D70 I currently own. D70 sucks in comparison,
especially at high ISOs. Sorry, I can't post any pictures to prove
my point, because I had a pre-production sample and Nikon did not
let me publish any photos from it.

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Alexander '2poisonS' Sidorovsky
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'Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away.' - A friend
 
You must have both to be divided, more then one camera in the same forum and people who prefer each of those. Having 3 will complicate the debates, as it has already done and the D80 is not even out.

I have no problem with the D70(s) except the size of the D50 felt better to me and is more efficient for the hiking I do. If they made a camera with all the D70 features and price in the D50 size I would buy it..........ah, maybe they have in the D80..........
Cheers
It was bad enough around here with the D50 vs D70s debates, now we
can add the D80 to the "what should I buy" threads.!!!
D50, D80, D200 is enough.
You wouldn't buy a 2.5 yr old designed computer, so why buy a 2.5
year old D70s over a D80? This will divide the forum even more....
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D50 site
http://home.comcast.net/~nikon-d50/
Yellowstone-Teton Trip
http://home.comcast.net/~recentphotos/
Pentax istD Site
http://home.comcast.net/~pentax-istd/
 
OK, here you go. It feels much like D50 (size) and at the same time as a baby D200. Build quality is great. I found it comfortable to hold, well may be a bit short, or should I say - asking for a vertical grip? LCD is the same as D200, large and bright. Controls are well put except maybe the delete button, but again, after 2 days with D80 I had to get re-accustomed with my D70 control layout, so probably its a matter of geting used to. AF is fast, my Sigma 150 mm macro, that hunted on D70, focused much more accuratly. All the other lenses (several Nikkors) focused with no problems, quickly and firmly.

What struck me is the image quaity. It's as close to D200 as it gets. Metering and AWB is 100% spot on (it was especially noticable in comparison to D70 shots). On my D70 I usually shoot with +3 or +7 exposure correction and almost never use AWB. D80 lets you leave those control alone. Noise is low. And I mean, REALY low. It's actually better then D50. I liked the function that allowed to limit the highest ISO in Auto ISO. It would be very useful on D70, but on D80 you're pretty fine with ISO 1600, so this limiter makes sense only if you want your images absolutely silky-smooth. OK what else. AF-S/AF-C switch button is something I was dreaming about. Closest subject AF works fine, handy for action shots. Oh and one more thing - D-lightning really works! That was a pleasant surprise for me.

Downsides? Hmmm... Really can't think of any. 5 mins after I picked this baby up, I knew I'd get it as soon as it hits stores. Mind you, I'm in no way afflicted with Nikon :) as it may seem from this over-positive review. Btw, there's another new digital SLR right now on my hand. Another brand, let's say THE closest D80 competitor. And Nikon feels head and shoulders above in terms of image quality and build quality.
Hope it helps!

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Alexander '2poisonS' Sidorovsky
 
Oh man sounds like a gem! Thank you so much for that! I am definitely getting it when it comes out too :)

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'Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away.' - A friend
 
Hi,

Because it does exactly what it says on the box if you do exactly as it says in the intructions! It is a great camera that still performs well and it remains up there with the best of them - why - because it can produce quality images that still count. Photographer aside, I have found that it is the quality glass that remains a determining factor as much as the latest version of a body.
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Jon

http://jules7.smugmug.com/
 
This is the official press release from the Nikon USA site:

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/micro_stories.pl?ACCT=141412&TICK=NIKON3&STORY=/www/story/08-09-2006/0004412792&EDATE=Aug+9,+2006

Nowhere does it mention that the D70s will be discontinued.

This is the press release from the Nikon Imaging (Global) site:

http://nikonimaging.com/global/news/2006/0809_01.htm

Nowhere does it even mention the name "D70s".

I'm not trying to be hostile, but could you provide a link from
Nikon that shows they are discontinuing it (and that they say it
will be later this year?). Thanks.
No I can't. I just pass on what the Nikon representatives said (when spcifically asked) during the press event here in Sweden when they presented the D80 last week. You can belive it or opt otherwise, it's a free world :-)
 
Would you say the same thing about the D1 and the D100?
Hi,

Because it does exactly what it says on the box if you do exactly
as it says in the intructions! It is a great camera that still
performs well and it remains up there with the best of them - why -
because it can produce quality images that still count.
Photographer aside, I have found that it is the quality glass that
remains a determining factor as much as the latest version of a
body.
--
Jon

http://jules7.smugmug.com/
--

'Life is not measured by how many breaths you take, but by how many moments that take your breath away.' - A friend
 
The D80 does NOT invalid the quality of the D70. When you makes prints, people aren't going to know you used the D70 instead of some other higher MP camera. Why would you NOT buy a 2.5 year old camera? The age doesn't matter. Only the specs. And the D70 with it's 6mp sensor is a GREAT CAMERA. It'll be a GREAT camera in 100 years.

I can't image in a 100 years anyone looking at my prints from my D70 saying, Wow, these pictures look they were taken with a really old camera.

Newer dSLRs I believe are not going to be making your photos look better. They will, however, make your work EASIER depending on what you do. More MP equals larger prints and easier (or rather, accurate) editing of fine details.
It was bad enough around here with the D50 vs D70s debates, now we
can add the D80 to the "what should I buy" threads.!!!
D50, D80, D200 is enough.
You wouldn't buy a 2.5 yr old designed computer, so why buy a 2.5
year old D70s over a D80? This will divide the forum even more....

--



D50 site
http://home.comcast.net/~nikon-d50/
Yellowstone-Teton Trip
http://home.comcast.net/~recentphotos/
Pentax istD Site
http://home.comcast.net/~pentax-istd/
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http://www.pbase.com/DigitalCMH

 
You wouldn't buy a 2.5 yr old designed computer,...

What does that prove? Would you not buy a 2.5 year old Ferari using the same arguement if you could afford it?

You should look at things for what they stand for on their own. If you always compare and only accept the best then you either have to be very rich, very spoiled or very stupid.

Today's attitude is that only the best and latest will do. it's not an attitude that brings real happiness.
Jules

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Black holes do not destroy information.
 
for those that say discontinue the D70 or make serperate forum I ask 'why".. The D70, D50, D80 are entry level and mostly fall in the same catergory. You can get great results, but for the most part the user's are the grandkid/ vacation and I only want a 18-200VR to be happy group and where do you send your picts to be process, etc..

Ok, before the howls of devision fill the skies of "not me"--my self included, it is the truth for the most part and just a natural part of it. Style and reasons of use should be a good criteria, not just model #.

Of course, many D200 owners, in my observation, basically bought the camera because it's the latest and greatest, not really wanting to use it for it capacity, but thinking it would help them make better photos right out of the can.

Here's the main crutch---as much as I also like tech stuff-------- it really seems most on these forums live to argue and compare model numbers instead of actually pursueing fine art, documentation, nouveau, themes, portraiture, or news photography.

It seems the model number outweighs the capture and image, then it's always my nikon dog is bigger than you earlier nikon dog, you Canon lovin swine. ;-) ------my 2.978 cents worth-----ron s.
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seeing and being aware are not the same thing....
http://www.pbase.com/ron9ron
 
If your D70(s) takes great picture today, it will be do the same
thing tomorrow!
Of course it will, but that's not the point. You could make that argument with any industry. Why then buy the latest and greatest of anything? According to Jules, if you choose the newer, then you are stupid and rich? Nonsense.

If you are initially investing dollars into something as expensive as a DSLR, your invested money needs to carry you as far as it can so that you don't have to upgrade in a short period of time. Sure there are some who enjoy the best of everything when it hits the store shelves, but most of us can't. This doesn't mean that I'm going to discourage someone from buying it and label them stupid.

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http://cmvsm.zoto.com/galleries/favorites6227
 
From my experience it would look like blooming to me, but yes,
whatever it is I could simply ignore it.
When I first saw the so-called banding on the D80 images, I was quite surprised because many had anticipated that it simply shouldn't have existed with a 2-channer readout chip.. I was quite interested, of course, being an engineer-head. But as a photographer I was quite happy, because I could easily forget the whole banding issue :)
Ah yes finer grain! 10 megapixels already looks like it tops 35mm
film resolution to me, but I may be wrong. How many mp's has 35mm
film been approximated at again?
Some say that even a good 6mp sensor (D70, for example) beats every negative film, but as for slide film I cannot say... There are numerous comparisons, but they are made by film-addicts and thus they compare 1.5x crop DSLR's with medium format film cameras :) It's like comparing strawberries to a strawberry-pineapple flavoured bubblegum!!

Janne Mankila
 
Maybe I thought they were pointless and the differences between the two were clear cut.

That's like arguing D80 vs. D200....something we will see a lot of I'm sure - but, again the differences on paper are pretty clear cut.

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6MP is extremely important.
Important for what or why? New is usually better than old one, let's wait real samples.
Right now it delivers lower noise than the 10MP sensor.

It is more resolution than most people will ever need.
Wrong! You can often find picture inside the picture. Even if there is something very simplistic when zooming inside it those extra megapixels give you flexibility I (would) like. The tricky thing is that those people do not actually use/benefit these megapics need high Mp for purchase decision, and those people who need high Mp can really benefit from them.
Travel photography really needs better battery life and smaller NEF
files than the 10MP cameras can handle.
Why one battery, when travelling use more than one.

I suppose cameras handle those extra megapicels rather well and you don't feel any difference. Things get faster and better.
The D50 is a waste of time now with the D70s so cheap, but it would
be sad for the market to be forced into the hungry 10MP cameras.
The D70s should stay.

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any wild A$$ guess that crosses your mind, but kindly distinguish
between information which is entirely fabricated from that which
you find published by a recognized authority.
 
i hope when DPReview get round to reviewing the D80, they make comparisons with the D70s as well as the D50. that would answer a lot of the questions/answers ppl have posted recently.

Long.
OK, here you go. It feels much like D50 (size) and at the same time
as a baby D200. Build quality is great. I found it comfortable to
hold, well may be a bit short, or should I say - asking for a
vertical grip? LCD is the same as D200, large and bright. Controls
are well put except maybe the delete button, but again, after 2
days with D80 I had to get re-accustomed with my D70 control
layout, so probably its a matter of geting used to. AF is fast, my
Sigma 150 mm macro, that hunted on D70, focused much more
accuratly. All the other lenses (several Nikkors) focused with no
problems, quickly and firmly.
What struck me is the image quaity. It's as close to D200 as it
gets. Metering and AWB is 100% spot on (it was especially noticable
in comparison to D70 shots). On my D70 I usually shoot with +3 or
+7 exposure correction and almost never use AWB. D80 lets you leave
those control alone. Noise is low. And I mean, REALY low. It's
actually better then D50. I liked the function that allowed to
limit the highest ISO in Auto ISO. It would be very useful on D70,
but on D80 you're pretty fine with ISO 1600, so this limiter makes
sense only if you want your images absolutely silky-smooth. OK what
else. AF-S/AF-C switch button is something I was dreaming about.
Closest subject AF works fine, handy for action shots. Oh and one
more thing - D-lightning really works! That was a pleasant surprise
for me.
Downsides? Hmmm... Really can't think of any. 5 mins after I picked
this baby up, I knew I'd get it as soon as it hits stores. Mind
you, I'm in no way afflicted with Nikon :) as it may seem from this
over-positive review. Btw, there's another new digital SLR right
now on my hand. Another brand, let's say THE closest D80
competitor. And Nikon feels head and shoulders above in terms of
image quality and build quality.
Hope it helps!

--
Alexander '2poisonS' Sidorovsky
--
regards,
Long.
 
I hate to be a naysayer but after considering the D80 specs I'm
thinking seriously about buying a D70s while I can still get one
and relegating my D70 to backup duty.
You can wait a bit.
As for the D80, I don't like:
1. The 1/200 X flash sync
2. The SD memory instead of compact flash
Perhaps new pro's will have the same SD.
3. The 10MP sensor that is prone to noise and banding.
You are pessimistic or well informed?
I could live with any one or even two of those negatives but with
all three I'll keep my D70.

What I'd really like is a D80 with a 6 or 8 megapixel sensor that
has the color rendition and low noise characteristics of the 4MP
sensor in the D2Hs. I'd buy a D2Hs but as a casual photographer I
just can't justify a $3,000 camera.
There exists such a camera. You need Canon 30D!
I think Nikon is putting too much emphasis on megapixels. Sure
some people out there think the megapixels make the camera but
there are enough camera reviews out there stating that there are
other more important factors.
No, Nicon is in right track (and Canon is wrong). Those who buy this price range camera are not mostly 'pro' amateurs but very often those who have already 7-10 Mp P&S and who want something bigger/better/impressive, it is weird to buy a dSLR which has LESS Mpixels. And selling well in that segment allows develop things further.
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Bryan V.
P.S. I've had amnesia for as long as I can remember.
 

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