For whose benefit are digital SLRs?

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With the improvement in film emulsions even an old SLR was capable of remaining competetive with the latest camera in terms of the quality of results.
Such a situation would not have suited the camera manufacturers.

Now the emphasis is on digital SLRs--just look at all the angst expressed on the various forums.

A 2 year old camera is out date;sensor size;noise in excess of 400 ASA;fringeing;5/6 megapixels is inadequate.

It would appear that the digital SLR revolution is far more advantageous to the manufacturers than the ordinary amateur.
 
I dont agree....

I had several film -slr´s ... but most of the time they were just taking up space on the shelves...

When I bought my DSLR ...a brand new world of creativity opened up before my very eyes...

Not only can i afford to be much more experimental daring in taking a lot of pictures that i would never have " waisted " film on... film was expensive !

In addition I now find myself spending a lot of time playing with my pictures in various software-programs...adding a new dimension to my photography.

No doubt... digital has made me a much better photographer than I would have ever been , had I stayed with film...
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I don't think bodies outdate all that quickly, they fall behind newer models sure, but at the end of the day, a camera body takes photos just like other camera bodies. For example, for majority of consumers out there that bought a 300D, how is it out dated? Provided it is still working, it's still very relevant and up to date. If you've moved to getting paid work and need a higher megapixel camera, then it's not that the 300D is out dated, it's that your needs have changed.

If you were able to take photos with the 300D three years ago then there's no pressure or reason to buy a 350D today. Unless your needs change.

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I think the manufacturers benifit, but if they were not benifitting we would still be shooting at 640x480 and digital SLRs would probably be unheard of. It also depends on the type of person you are... my DSLR is good enough for me, though not for most on this forum. Much of what you see is people just wanting more and more... its especially prevalent on these forums.
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A 2 year old camera is out date; sensor size;noise in excess of 400
ASA;fringeing;5/6 megapixels is inadequate.
I believe you will find this thinking more in the snapshooter group.
It would appear that the digital SLR revolution is far more
advantageous to the manufacturers than the ordinary amateur.
Certainly not for the film manufacturers. Back in the 80s I shot a lot of slides. I forget the price but it was at least $10.00 per roll, and I couldn't crop or print them. And that was a lot cheaper then color negative film which I also could not crop or print. I could work with B&W, and enjoyed doing it but maintaning a darkroom was just too difficult.

Now I have a color darkroom on my desk.

I have nothing against film, and agree that in certain areas it has advantages, but it's disadvantages outweigh everything. You may as well try to convince me to take up oil painting as to go back to film.

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A 2 year old camera is out date;sensor size;noise in excess of 400
ASA;fringeing;5/6 megapixels is inadequate.
A two year old camera is still as good as when it came out. Perhaps no longer state of the art, but they can still take great pics. You don't have to take every upgrade....

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there will be periods of advance until performance reach a certain threshold when diminishing return of value start to happen. Digital photography is not yet there for most part ( for hobbyist ) but porbaly is close to that for the common P&S consumers

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there will be periods of advance until performance reach a certain
threshold when diminishing return of value start to happen. Digital
photography is not yet there for most part ( for hobbyist ) but
porbaly is close to that for the common P&S consumers
I suspect that we are about 'there' with dSLRs.

If you owned a current mid-range Canon, Nikon, etc. what improvements would it take to get you to fork out another $1,000+?

How many more pixels, how much faster/longer a burst rate, how much faster auto-focus, how much more dynamic range, etc. would it take to get you to upgrade your 30D or D200?

What new feature would it take for you to leave your 30D/D200 in the closet?

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With the improvement in film emulsions even an old SLR was capable
of remaining competetive with the latest camera in terms of the
quality of results.
Such a situation would not have suited the camera manufacturers.
Now the emphasis is on digital SLRs--just look at all the angst
expressed on the various forums.
A 2 year old camera is out date;sensor size;noise in excess of 400
ASA;fringeing;5/6 megapixels is inadequate.
It would appear that the digital SLR revolution is far more
advantageous to the manufacturers than the ordinary amateur.
None of your film cameras are obsolete in the least, as long as there are high quality films available for them, you can continue to use them for quality work. At some point, as the availability of high quality film processing declines, you may have to learn to process your film yourself, which is not hard even for slides. You can still benefit on film from improvements in lens technology, as long as the new lenses are FF coverage. Eventually the desire for more resolution from digital will peak, due to the limitations of lens technology in resolving power. I embrace both technologies, as each has strong points.

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With the improvement in film emulsions even an old SLR was capable
of remaining competetive with the latest camera in terms of the
quality of results.
Such a situation would not have suited the camera manufacturers.
Now the emphasis is on digital SLRs--just look at all the angst
expressed on the various forums.
A 2 year old camera is out date;sensor size;noise in excess of 400
ASA;fringeing;5/6 megapixels is inadequate.
A two year old camera is not out of date. I've had my Pentax *istD for a bit over two years now, and the model was probably 18 months old before I bought. The pictures it takes today are as good as it took two years ago...actually, better, because I'm far mroe familiar with the camera. If six MP is inadequate, it's quite possible someone has inflated expectations...or is just plain stupid. I can routinely get 16x20 prints that are sharp from my D. That's for handheld shots.

I may buy a new camera next year, if the new Pentax does all I'd like it to do--and that includes noise levels at 1600 and 3200 ISO that are no worse than those on my D. What I would really like to see are ISO 50 and 100 ratings, instead of my current low of 200.

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Back in the 1960s and 1970s there were fairly rapid technological advancements in film SLRs, with instant return mirror, internal metering, lenses automatically stopping down to shooting aperture, autoexposure and autofocus being perhaps the biggest steps that come to mind. Recently film SLRs have been a mature product with few large changes, just tweaking of this or that.

Digital SLRs are at a much younger stage of development, perhaps comparable to the film cameras of 40 years ago. The changes and improvements are significant and benefit the user, IMO. And no one is forcing someone who's happy with a camera purchased sveral years ago to buy another one.
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With the improvement in film emulsions even an old SLR was capable
of remaining competetive with the latest camera in terms of the
quality of results.
Such a situation would not have suited the camera manufacturers.
I don't understand the 'would not' part. That was how things were. It is history. It suited Nikon, Canon, Leica, Pentax, Minolta, etc. just fine. They did try introducing new film formats but it didn't work. 35mm was the accepted standard and everyone was happy to build cameras and lenses which worked with that standard.
Now the emphasis is on digital SLRs--just look at all the angst
expressed on the various forums.
The angst on these forums is expressed by certain obsessive types who feel they always need to be on the leading edge. It does in no way reflect on the general public most of whom do not know that this site even exists.
A 2 year old camera is out date;sensor size;noise in excess of 400
ASA;fringeing;5/6 megapixels is inadequate.
My D100 is ancient history so, but I still love it and I am sure it will continue taking great photos for a few years yet. The people making the above comments are usually trying to justify spending more money on more toys and are the same ones who will be changing their plasma or LCD TVs and their cars every few years to keep up with whatever is on offer.
It would appear that the digital SLR revolution is far more
advantageous to the manufacturers than the ordinary amateur.
The new digital era has been hugely advantageous to the manufacturers as the majority of people have switched to digital. The boom in sales is only likely to last a few years however before the market stabilizes. SLRs are much more profitable to the manufacturer not only because the bodies sell at premium prices but also because they get to sell truckloads of accessories principally in the form of lenses and flash guns.

However it is completely wrong to discount the advantages of digital to the ordinary amateur. The 'cost' of digital photography is one of its huge attractions. Once you have discounted the initial investment, the cost per picture becomes negligible. This allows so much freedom that once you have tried digital it is hard to go back. This is especially true for the newcomers to the art. Aside from the cost, the instant feedback available on a DSLR is a priceless learning tool. Other freedoms include the possibility to vary the sensitivity and the frequency response of the 'film' from shot to shot. Traditionally that meant carrying a bag full of filters (and you could only adjust the sensitivty downwards by using ND filters).

Having your own darkroom no longer requires building a separate room on to the house and having lots of smelly chemicals. In the digital darkroom you can try out a myriad of techniques which would have been costly back in the old days of chemical developing, if not impossible.

The early adapter phase is over and it is all the major manufacturers (read Canon and Nikon) can do to keep up with demand for their products, with the other manufacturers clamouring to eat into their hold on a very lucrative market. The move to digital has transformed the camera industry to the benefit of some of the producers, but mostly for the benefit of the consumers.
 
Well said. I never got into the experimentation with film because of the expense and not knowing anything about darkroom. I Have graduated now from a 2.1mp P&S, which served me well for stuff like ebay, vacation pics and the like, now I have a DSLR and its opening up a whole new world and making it easier and cheaper to learn more artistic photography. Why can't it benefit both? And for my needs I dont see my camera being outdated anytime soon. 8mp Olympus E-500 serves me well.
 
I have seen a lot of changes.

There were significant changes in film cameras as well as in digitals. It is just that the digital cameras are evolving at a much faster rate than the evolution of the film camera.

When I started in photography, the average snap-shot shooter was using a box brownie type of camera. Some were able to use a flash attachment (bulbs - not electronic flash) and some did not have that capability.

I won't even mention using cut film cameras like the 4x5 Graphic series or 4x5 Graflex single lens reflexes which also used cut film.

Few amatuers could afford really good cameras such as the Leica, Contax, Rolleiflex (mostly all German because the Japanese had not quite made their mark in photo equipment). Most amatuers would use cameras like the Argus C-3 which did have a little bit of exposure control and some focusing ability.

There were no cameras with built-in exposure control. In fact, most amatuers did not even own an exposure meter. We used the rule of f/16 or some lucky ones had an exposure meter type of thing that you would look through to see a series of F/stops - each of which was printed with a different density. The last f/stop you could read in any given light would be your exposure.

Most of us did not have rangefinders connected to our focus. We guestimated the distance and then dialed in into our lens.

Single lens reflex cameras were few and far between and most of the lenses for these camera were pre-set rather than automatic in setting the f/stop. Than means that you had to focus wide open and then manually stop down to the required f/stop.

IF your camera could sync with flash, it either had no adjustments for exposure control or those adjustments were totally manual using guide numbers - dividing the distance from flash to subject into a set numeric value would provide the proper f/stop (you hoped!).

Auto-focus was a figment of a mad-scientist's dreams.

Things changed in film photography to as great an extent as they have in digital. It is just that digital is doing it quantum-times faster.

However - MY 10D IS GIVING ME JUST AS GOOD PICTURES NOW AS IT DID WHEN I BOUGHT IT. ITS CAPABILITY HAS NOT DECREASED JUST BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL GENERATIONS OF NEWER DSLR'S with more bells and whistles and more capabilities.

I never used an entire generation of film SLR cam,eras, the auto-focusing Canon EOS line. I was very happy and content to operate with the FD models and took great pictures using a Canon A-1 and a Canon AE-1P.

Your camera is only outdated if it cannot perform the functions you require of it. Don't buy a new model just because the manufacturer hs added a new series of bells and whistles.
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Digital SLRs are at a much younger stage of development, perhaps
comparable to the film cameras of 40 years ago.
Maybe. I bought a Canon F1 about 1970 or so, and as far as I was concerned, it was perfect for my needs--I used that camera for 14 years, until it was destroyed in a fire. Mechanical, of course, but supremely well thought out and made.

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