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I've pretty much decided on a D30 so I went to my prefered dealer (Jessops UK) and asked for a price match (D30+grip+battery+1gb microdrive = £1899, anyone know of a better deal?). During our discussion I asked about any new Canon cameras they knew about. Other than the 1D my friendly retailer said he only knew of the D20 (he said this as if it was old news) which will be launched February 2002. I asked for any specification details and he said he had been told of an approximate price (£1300) but would check their computer stock control for any other info - there was none as yet. So far as he was concerned the info he had provided me with was fact, he then went on to speculate that it would probably be the D30 sensor in a lower spec body/system, EOS 30 or 300. Whilst I'm not sure of the truth it kind of makes sense inasmuch as the D20 would then be at a price point to match the E20 (lower res but better flexibility/lense options). This in turn opens up the possibility of a "D40" later in the year with mayber a 4MP sensor in the current D30 body/system. I really do not know but will wait a little longer to see what happens.

PS. anyone bought a Canon digital in the USA/Canada and tried to get a warranty job done in the UK, Canon's seem to be a bit cheaper there and thats where I'm headed for my hols?--Good Luck and Happy New Year, Steve
 
Steve,

The warranty is global for all Canon serviced countries.
You'll have no issues getting a US camera/lens serviced in the UK.

Chris.
Steve Mills said:
I've pretty much decided on a D30 so I went to my prefered dealer
(Jessops UK) and asked for a price match (D30+grip+battery+1gb
microdrive = £1899, anyone know of a better deal?). During our
discussion I asked about any new Canon cameras they knew about.
Other than the 1D my friendly retailer said he only knew of the D20
(he said this as if it was old news) which will be launched
February 2002. I asked for any specification details and he said he
had been told of an approximate price (£1300) but would check their
computer stock control for any other info - there was none as yet.
So far as he was concerned the info he had provided me with was
fact, he then went on to speculate that it would probably be the
D30 sensor in a lower spec body/system, EOS 30 or 300. Whilst I'm
not sure of the truth it kind of makes sense inasmuch as the D20
would then be at a price point to match the E20 (lower res but
better flexibility/lense options). This in turn opens up the
possibility of a "D40" later in the year with mayber a 4MP sensor
in the current D30 body/system. I really do not know but will wait
a little longer to see what happens.
PS. anyone bought a Canon digital in the USA/Canada and tried to
get a warranty job done in the UK, Canon's seem to be a bit cheaper
there and thats where I'm headed for my hols?
--
Good Luck and Happy New Year, Steve
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I agree there product gaps in Canon's DSLR line, given this is a new market segment for everyone except Kodak. Considering that Canon has 8 film SLR's in their product line, they believe that the SLR market can be that finely subsegmented. If one believes the trend in the future will be towards more digital and less film, Canon is probably taking a strategy of migrating the film SLR market to digital SLR's over the next several years.

I don't believe there will be 8 DSLR's, but maybe they will settle out at 4. This means there is a model below the D30, one between it and the 1D, and the 1D. Over time, there will be upgrades in firmware as well as sensor resolution and size, but not at the cost of higher noise. The lower model will likely use the technology from the D30, but be differentiated the same way film SLR's are differentiated - in the body and the features of the body. A model between the D30 and 1D will probably need a body that is better than the D30 but not as good as the 1D (with AF and exposure features that are also in between). It will likely utilize CMOS sensors because fps isn't a high priority.

One thing is for certain, if Canon does announce a DSLR around $1k-$1200 in February, it will alter the competitive landscape for DSLR's and highend consumer cameras forever.
 
The local Canon subsidiary told me that all of Canon's digital cameras = PowerShots, D30 and the 1D come only with domestic warranties of the countries they are being sold. The same applies to all of Canon's videocams. Only the analogue models come with international warranty. Still, can anyone else confirm this?
Chris Dodkin said:
The warranty is global for all Canon serviced countries.
You'll have no issues getting a US camera/lens serviced in the UK.

Chris.
Steve Mills said:
PS. anyone bought a Canon digital in the USA/Canada and tried to
get a warranty job done in the UK, Canon's seem to be a bit cheaper
there and thats where I'm headed for my hols?
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Click to expand...
--Kai Pin
 
I bought my D30 duty free at Dixons in the airport on the way out to Canada. You can ring them up, ask for a quotation and order in advance. They are also seem willing to bargain.....
Steve Mills said:
I've pretty much decided on a D30 so I went to my prefered dealer
(Jessops UK) and asked for a price match (D30+grip+battery+1gb
microdrive = £1899, anyone know of a better deal?). During our
discussion I asked about any new Canon cameras they knew about.
Other than the 1D my friendly retailer said he only knew of the D20
(he said this as if it was old news) which will be launched
February 2002. I asked for any specification details and he said he
had been told of an approximate price (£1300) but would check their
computer stock control for any other info - there was none as yet.
So far as he was concerned the info he had provided me with was
fact, he then went on to speculate that it would probably be the
D30 sensor in a lower spec body/system, EOS 30 or 300. Whilst I'm
not sure of the truth it kind of makes sense inasmuch as the D20
would then be at a price point to match the E20 (lower res but
better flexibility/lense options). This in turn opens up the
possibility of a "D40" later in the year with mayber a 4MP sensor
in the current D30 body/system. I really do not know but will wait
a little longer to see what happens.
PS. anyone bought a Canon digital in the USA/Canada and tried to
get a warranty job done in the UK, Canon's seem to be a bit cheaper
there and thats where I'm headed for my hols?
--
Good Luck and Happy New Year, Steve
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--Tedward
 
going_digital said:
I agree there product gaps in Canon's DSLR line, given this is a
new market segment for everyone except Kodak. Considering that
Canon has 8 film SLR's in their product line, they believe that the
SLR market can be that finely subsegmented. If one believes the
trend in the future will be towards more digital and less film,
Canon is probably taking a strategy of migrating the film SLR
market to digital SLR's over the next several years.

I don't believe there will be 8 DSLR's, but maybe they will settle
out at 4. This means there is a model below the D30, one between it
and the 1D, and the 1D. Over time, there will be upgrades in
firmware as well as sensor resolution and size, but not at the cost
of higher noise. The lower model will likely use the technology
from the D30, but be differentiated the same way film SLR's are
differentiated - in the body and the features of the body. A model
between the D30 and 1D will probably need a body that is better
than the D30 but not as good as the 1D (with AF and exposure
features that are also in between). It will likely utilize CMOS
sensors because fps isn't a high priority.

One thing is for certain, if Canon does announce a DSLR around
$1k-$1200 in February, it will alter the competitive landscape for
DSLR's and highend consumer cameras forever.
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I don't think he meant U.S. dollars - so don't get excited that it will be that cheap. I bet the next canon digital will be a D40 between the d30 and the 1d probably based on the eos-3 body and hopefully with a full size cmos sensor but we will know in february.
 
The problem with a D20 is if it is priced only a couple hundred dollars less than a D30 ($1600), it isn't compelling enough for someone to not go for the D30 in which case a D20 product makes no sense. However, if it was $1300 or $1400, then a D20 would offer a product within the reach of many who want a DSLR but can't go the distance to get a D30. Unfortunately, even a low price like $1400 makes it a stretch for Rebel buyers and might not get very many takers. Pricing I think is what makes a D20 problematic.

A D40 would fill a gaping hole in the product line between the D30 and 1D ($2500 gap). Even if they didn't reach full frame, but got CMOS sensor and it's benefits that the D30 enjoys but addresses the things people aren't thrilled about with the D30, that would make a great D40 product at around $3K-$3500 on the street. I see D1H's going for that much and a D40 would hit the spot if it has a body like the D1H.
 
This doesn't align with Canon marketing nomenclature. Did your retailer actually know it was going to be call a D20? Or was that just a guess.

The lower the number, the better the camera. (i.e. EOS 1, 3, 5, 10s 30, 50, 300, 500, et al.)

Any model improved from the D30 could possibly be named a D3 or a D20.
Any model below the D30 could possibly be named a D40 or D300. (Not a D4)
Steve Mills said:
I've pretty much decided on a D30 so I went to my prefered dealer
(Jessops UK) and asked for a price match (D30+grip+battery+1gb
microdrive = £1899, anyone know of a better deal?). During our
discussion I asked about any new Canon cameras they knew about.
Other than the 1D my friendly retailer said he only knew of the D20
(he said this as if it was old news) which will be launched
February 2002. I asked for any specification details and he said he
had been told of an approximate price (£1300) but would check their
computer stock control for any other info - there was none as yet.
So far as he was concerned the info he had provided me with was
fact, he then went on to speculate that it would probably be the
D30 sensor in a lower spec body/system, EOS 30 or 300. Whilst I'm
not sure of the truth it kind of makes sense inasmuch as the D20
would then be at a price point to match the E20 (lower res but
better flexibility/lense options). This in turn opens up the
possibility of a "D40" later in the year with mayber a 4MP sensor
in the current D30 body/system. I really do not know but will wait
a little longer to see what happens.
PS. anyone bought a Canon digital in the USA/Canada and tried to
get a warranty job done in the UK, Canon's seem to be a bit cheaper
there and thats where I'm headed for my hols?
--
Good Luck and Happy New Year, Steve
Click to expand...
 
going_digital said:
The problem with a D20 is if it is priced only a couple hundred
dollars less than a D30 ($1600), it isn't compelling enough for
someone to not go for the D30 in which case a D20 product makes no
sense. However, if it was $1300 or $1400, then a D20 would offer a
product within the reach of many who want a DSLR but can't go the
distance to get a D30. Unfortunately, even a low price like $1400
makes it a stretch for Rebel buyers and might not get very many
takers. Pricing I think is what makes a D20 problematic.

A D40 would fill a gaping hole in the product line between the D30
and 1D ($2500 gap). Even if they didn't reach full frame, but got
CMOS sensor and it's benefits that the D30 enjoys but addresses the
things people aren't thrilled about with the D30, that would make a
great D40 product at around $3K-$3500 on the street. I see D1H's
going for that much and a D40 would hit the spot if it has a body
like the D1H.
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Another option would be to discontinue the D30 in favor of an improved D30n model (same body, Elan 7-class AF with eye control, maybe a swivel LCD or higher res CMOS sensor), with a street price target of $1800-2000 (which is about what the D30 is going for, taking into account the value of the MD/battery rebate). This could compete with the Oly E-20 and the like. Then they could introduce an EOS-3 based model (D3?) in the $3-4K range.
 
What you may be thinking of as the upscale D30 replacement later this year is more likely to be announced late (as in October-November) of next year and will have a 10mp CMOS....NOT a 4mp. It will likely also incorporate the same autofocus chip and autoexposure configuration of the 1D. Price (according to the dealer leak I heard) will run between $6000-$6500USD, so save your sheckles. I am......P.S. There is also a VERY high likelyhood it will be a FULL FRAME as well. Boy my juices are flowing....
 
The MAIN thing for me is the AF system. It is a real burden and it has just got to be fixed. Higher pixels and all that are great but it's the AF that bites.

Lee, you keep saying a 10mp sensor, the file size would be HUGE. My hard drive has already filled up twice. I would think that wish over twice. But I can think with glee the darn pictures it would print out - wow, MF will have met it's match!

Pete
 
Peter Gregg said:
wow, MF will have met it's match!
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Don't quite see this happening unless the resolving power of 35mm lenses takes a giant leap. MF requires only a fraction of the magnification of 35mm for the same size print and so the limitations of the optics are rarely reached.

David
 
I'm considering buying a D30, and therefore I asked Canon Norway if the warranty on a camera bought in the US is valid in Norway. Their answere was that all Canon equipment sold in Europe has a valid warranty in Norway, but for the US model it had to mention Norway on the warranty card.
Some time ago I asked if anyone could check if that was so, but no answere.
That doesn't matter anymore, I will wait until February, and see what comes up.
I have 3 chioses:
1: Wait and buy the D30 replacement (I will come this year)
2: Buy Nikons D30 competitor (this will also come this year)
3: If these wount happen, I buy a D1x

Yea, I know I will get flamed mentioned Nikon on this forum, but I don't care. In my eyes the D1x is the best camera for my need, only a bit to expensive.
Kai Pin said:
Chris Dodkin said:
The warranty is global for all Canon serviced countries.
You'll have no issues getting a US camera/lens serviced in the UK.

Chris.
Steve Mills said:
PS. anyone bought a Canon digital in the USA/Canada and tried to
get a warranty job done in the UK, Canon's seem to be a bit cheaper
there and thats where I'm headed for my hols?
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
Kai Pin
Click to expand...
 
He used the term D20 without prompting and by his tone I got the impression he felt it was common knowledge.
Trenton said:
The lower the number, the better the camera. (i.e. EOS 1, 3, 5, 10s
30, 50, 300, 500, et al.)

Any model improved from the D30 could possibly be named a D3 or a D20.
Any model below the D30 could possibly be named a D40 or D300. (Not
a D4)
Steve Mills said:
I've pretty much decided on a D30 so I went to my prefered dealer
(Jessops UK) and asked for a price match (D30+grip+battery+1gb
microdrive = £1899, anyone know of a better deal?). During our
discussion I asked about any new Canon cameras they knew about.
Other than the 1D my friendly retailer said he only knew of the D20
(he said this as if it was old news) which will be launched
February 2002. I asked for any specification details and he said he
had been told of an approximate price (£1300) but would check their
computer stock control for any other info - there was none as yet.
So far as he was concerned the info he had provided me with was
fact, he then went on to speculate that it would probably be the
D30 sensor in a lower spec body/system, EOS 30 or 300. Whilst I'm
not sure of the truth it kind of makes sense inasmuch as the D20
would then be at a price point to match the E20 (lower res but
better flexibility/lense options). This in turn opens up the
possibility of a "D40" later in the year with mayber a 4MP sensor
in the current D30 body/system. I really do not know but will wait
a little longer to see what happens.
PS. anyone bought a Canon digital in the USA/Canada and tried to
get a warranty job done in the UK, Canon's seem to be a bit cheaper
there and thats where I'm headed for my hols?
--
Good Luck and Happy New Year, Steve
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--Thanks, Steve
 
Peter Gregg said:
The MAIN thing for me is the AF system. It is a real burden and it
has just got to be fixed. Higher pixels and all that are great but
it's the AF that bites.
Click to expand...
There is always the 1D :). My next SLR will have to have the 1v/3's AF system but will also need to be full frame or close to full frame and have at least 8MP, preferably 10. I am not going to replace my camera evrytime Canon produces a new digital body. That is a very fast way to waste a large sum of money. When I have the itch to spend, I would rather build my lens collection and wait for the dust to settle.

Current plans call for a 300/F4L IS (or perhaps a 100-400), a 16-35/2.8L and possibly a 100/2.8 macro (will probably try a 14x converter and a 500D on the long lens first though). I will eventually supplement my 70-200/F4L with either the 2.8 IS version or a 135/2.

I expect the above to take a couple of years at least. I will start thinking about a new body then.
 
Peter,

Start with the 16-35mm lens. It is amongst the most capable lenses I have in my kit. Love it!

Peter
Andrew Grant said:
Peter Gregg said:
The MAIN thing for me is the AF system. It is a real burden and it
has just got to be fixed. Higher pixels and all that are great but
it's the AF that bites.
Click to expand...
There is always the 1D :). My next SLR will have to have the 1v/3's
AF system but will also need to be full frame or close to full
frame and have at least 8MP, preferably 10. I am not going to
replace my camera evrytime Canon produces a new digital body. That
is a very fast way to waste a large sum of money. When I have the
itch to spend, I would rather build my lens collection and wait for
the dust to settle.

Current plans call for a 300/F4L IS (or perhaps a 100-400), a
16-35/2.8L and possibly a 100/2.8 macro (will probably try a 14x
converter and a 500D on the long lens first though). I will
eventually supplement my 70-200/F4L with either the 2.8 IS version
or a 135/2.

I expect the above to take a couple of years at least. I will start
thinking about a new body then.
Click to expand...
 
Well Andrew, if what I've been told by what has been a rather reliable source, we will both be proud new camera owners next year at this time. What you are describing is supposed to be in R&D as we speak for announcement late next year. Hang on!(to your wallet)
 
Hi Steve

Long time no speak - how did you get on with the scanwit?

More importantly, do you mind me asking? - where did you find the price to match against with Jessops?

Tony.
Steve Mills said:
I've pretty much decided on a D30 so I went to my prefered dealer
(Jessops UK) and asked for a price match (D30+grip+battery+1gb
microdrive = £1899, anyone know of a better deal?). During our
discussion I asked about any new Canon cameras they knew about.
Other than the 1D my friendly retailer said he only knew of the D20
(he said this as if it was old news) which will be launched
February 2002. I asked for any specification details and he said he
had been told of an approximate price (£1300) but would check their
computer stock control for any other info - there was none as yet.
So far as he was concerned the info he had provided me with was
fact, he then went on to speculate that it would probably be the
D30 sensor in a lower spec body/system, EOS 30 or 300. Whilst I'm
not sure of the truth it kind of makes sense inasmuch as the D20
would then be at a price point to match the E20 (lower res but
better flexibility/lense options). This in turn opens up the
possibility of a "D40" later in the year with mayber a 4MP sensor
in the current D30 body/system. I really do not know but will wait
a little longer to see what happens.
PS. anyone bought a Canon digital in the USA/Canada and tried to
get a warranty job done in the UK, Canon's seem to be a bit cheaper
there and thats where I'm headed for my hols?
--
Good Luck and Happy New Year, Steve
Click to expand...
--Tony [email protected] Photo website : http://www.digifotoinfo.co.uk
 
It looks a great lens but I don't beleive the price will hold at $1,500. My guess is that the 17-35 will be phased out like the 20-35 was (and the non IS 300 and the non USM 100 macro). I want a longer lens anyway and the 300 and 100-400 have both been out a while so the price is stable. I also have a 28/2.8 and a 24mm TS/E to tide me over. The TS/E is a more challenging lens to use and demands a tripod of course, but that is not such a bad thing.
Peter Sills said:
Start with the 16-35mm lens. It is amongst the most capable lenses
I have in my kit. Love it!

Peter
Andrew Grant said:
Peter Gregg said:
The MAIN thing for me is the AF system. It is a real burden and it
has just got to be fixed. Higher pixels and all that are great but
it's the AF that bites.
Click to expand...
There is always the 1D :). My next SLR will have to have the 1v/3's
AF system but will also need to be full frame or close to full
frame and have at least 8MP, preferably 10. I am not going to
replace my camera evrytime Canon produces a new digital body. That
is a very fast way to waste a large sum of money. When I have the
itch to spend, I would rather build my lens collection and wait for
the dust to settle.

Current plans call for a 300/F4L IS (or perhaps a 100-400), a
16-35/2.8L and possibly a 100/2.8 macro (will probably try a 14x
converter and a 500D on the long lens first though). I will
eventually supplement my 70-200/F4L with either the 2.8 IS version
or a 135/2.

I expect the above to take a couple of years at least. I will start
thinking about a new body then.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Hi Tony, I'm getting on fine with the Scanwit but I am considering the Vuescan software, any experience? The price I challenged Jessops with was from A J Purdy, slight mistake as Purdy's price was £1830 but with a 256mb CF card. Jessops still intimated that they would offer me the £1899 deal, you never know unless you ask! Are you considering a change, any comments on the D30 or news on its potential successor? I have downloaded images from the E20 and the Sony 707, the 707 images are the best I've ever seen.
Nice to hear from you, happy new year to you and your family.
Tony Collins said:
Long time no speak - how did you get on with the scanwit?

More importantly, do you mind me asking? - where did you find the
price to match against with Jessops?

Tony.
Steve Mills said:
I've pretty much decided on a D30 so I went to my prefered dealer
(Jessops UK) and asked for a price match (D30+grip+battery+1gb
microdrive = £1899, anyone know of a better deal?). During our
discussion I asked about any new Canon cameras they knew about.
Other than the 1D my friendly retailer said he only knew of the D20
(he said this as if it was old news) which will be launched
February 2002. I asked for any specification details and he said he
had been told of an approximate price (£1300) but would check their
computer stock control for any other info - there was none as yet.
So far as he was concerned the info he had provided me with was
fact, he then went on to speculate that it would probably be the
D30 sensor in a lower spec body/system, EOS 30 or 300. Whilst I'm
not sure of the truth it kind of makes sense inasmuch as the D20
would then be at a price point to match the E20 (lower res but
better flexibility/lense options). This in turn opens up the
possibility of a "D40" later in the year with mayber a 4MP sensor
in the current D30 body/system. I really do not know but will wait
a little longer to see what happens.
PS. anyone bought a Canon digital in the USA/Canada and tried to
get a warranty job done in the UK, Canon's seem to be a bit cheaper
there and thats where I'm headed for my hols?
--
Good Luck and Happy New Year, Steve
Click to expand...
--
Tony Collins
[email protected]

Digital Photo website :
http://www.digifotoinfo.co.uk
Click to expand...
--Thanks, Steve
 
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