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things move A LOT quicker in the computer industry...
i would certainly consider a D70s. it all depends on price/value for money.
PrimeUser said:
It was bad enough around here with the D50 vs D70s debates, now we
can add the D80 to the "what should I buy" threads.!!!
D50, D80, D200 is enough.
You wouldn't buy a 2.5 yr old designed computer, so why buy a 2.5
year old D70s over a D80? This will divide the forum even more....

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Yellowstone-Teton Trip
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Pentax istD Site
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regards,
Long.
 
PrimeUser said:
You wouldn't buy a 2.5 yr old designed computer, so why buy a 2.5
year old D70s over a D80?
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Because newer is not allways better? From what I've seen the D80 is as small as the D50 (more or less) for example. That would mean that I had to choose from the D70 or D200, because neither the D50 or D80 would appeal to me.
 
$300 difference between the D70s and MSRP of D80 is not much in the long run when you're talking about building a system around a manufacturer. And just like the D50, the D80 will start coming down after a few months on the market.
Why start with something that is already 2 years old?
Long_h_Lam said:
PrimeUser said:
It was bad enough around here with the D50 vs D70s debates, now we
can add the D80 to the "what should I buy" threads.!!!
D50, D80, D200 is enough.
You wouldn't buy a 2.5 yr old designed computer, so why buy a 2.5
year old D70s over a D80? This will divide the forum even more....

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D50 site
http://home.comcast.net/~nikon-d50/
Yellowstone-Teton Trip
http://home.comcast.net/~recentphotos/
Pentax istD Site
http://home.comcast.net/~pentax-istd/
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regards,
Long.
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D50 site
http://home.comcast.net/~nikon-d50/
Yellowstone-Teton Trip
http://home.comcast.net/~recentphotos/
Pentax istD Site
http://home.comcast.net/~pentax-istd/
 
D50 = 133 x 102 x 76 mm (5.2 x 4 x 3 in)
D70 = 140 x 111 x 78 mm (5.5 x 4.4 x 3.1 in)
D80 = 132 x 103 x 77 mm (5.2 x 4.1 x 3 in)
D200 = 147 x 113 x 74 mm (5.8 x 4.5 x 2.9 in)
 
dumbo said:
Because newer is not allways better? From what I've seen the D80 is
as small as the D50 (more or less) for example. That would mean
that I had to choose from the D70 or D200, because neither the D50
or D80 would appeal to me.
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whats strange to me is that people can diss a camera for the size or the memory card format, what could be more important then the IQ, which we know very little about yet??

For heavens sake go get the vertical grip if your pinky cant support the camera and wait for the reviews.
 
I hate to be a naysayer but after considering the D80 specs I'm thinking seriously about buying a D70s while I can still get one and relegating my D70 to backup duty.

As for the D80, I don't like:
1. The 1/200 X flash sync
2. The SD memory instead of compact flash
3. The 10MP sensor that is prone to noise and banding.

I could live with any one or even two of those negatives but with all three I'll keep my D70.

What I'd really like is a D80 with a 6 or 8 megapixel sensor that has the color rendition and low noise characteristics of the 4MP sensor in the D2Hs. I'd buy a D2Hs but as a casual photographer I just can't justify a $3,000 camera.

I think Nikon is putting too much emphasis on megapixels. Sure some people out there think the megapixels make the camera but there are enough camera reviews out there stating that there are other more important factors.

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Bryan V.
P.S. I've had amnesia for as long as I can remember.
 
PrimeUser said:
$300 difference between the D70s and MSRP of D80 is not much in the
long run when you're talking about building a system around a
manufacturer. And just like the D50, the D80 will start coming down
after a few months on the market.
Why start with something that is already 2 years old?
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It's a proven piece of equipment, and many people prefer the larger body of the D70s. So unless they release a D90 (which I highly doubt they will any time soon) with a larger body, there's at least one good reason. Also, how about higher flash sync? Less storage space on both memory cards and your PC? No need to change memory formats? A more durable shutter (not positive about this, but the D70s is rumored to have a better built shutter)? For someone like myself, these are all very important. Not everyone has thousands of dollars to blow on photography, and a few hundred dollars DOES make a difference. I bought my D70 about 5-6 months ago, used from B&H. Why would I buy a 2 year old camera (by the way, the D70s is a year and a half old)? Because it still works just as well as it always has, it was more affordable, and it had everything I wanted, plus more. Sure the D80 has features my D70 doesn't, but I'd still much rather have my D70.
 
If 2 new boxed cameras were placed in front of you, a D70s and a D80 and you could choose either for free, which would you choose?

Of course I'm not saying it's worth it to upgrade for everyone, not even sure if it's worth upgrading my D50, but if someone is starting from scratch their would need to be a big price difference to choose other then the D80( if it pans out to as good as everyone expects).

Yes, I understand the body size choice, I actually chose a D50 over the D70s primarily based on the smaller size I liked. Hard to change that if you don't like it.
ZBaum said:
PrimeUser said:
$300 difference between the D70s and MSRP of D80 is not much in the
long run when you're talking about building a system around a
manufacturer. And just like the D50, the D80 will start coming down
after a few months on the market.
Why start with something that is already 2 years old?
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It's a proven piece of equipment, and many people prefer the larger
body of the D70s. So unless they release a D90 (which I highly
doubt they will any time soon) with a larger body, there's at least
one good reason. Also, how about higher flash sync? Less storage
space on both memory cards and your PC? No need to change memory
formats? A more durable shutter (not positive about this, but the
D70s is rumored to have a better built shutter)? For someone like
myself, these are all very important. Not everyone has thousands
of dollars to blow on photography, and a few hundred dollars DOES
make a difference. I bought my D70 about 5-6 months ago, used from
B&H. Why would I buy a 2 year old camera (by the way, the D70s is
a year and a half old)? Because it still works just as well as it
always has, it was more affordable, and it had everything I wanted,
plus more. Sure the D80 has features my D70 doesn't, but I'd still
much rather have my D70.
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D50 site
http://home.comcast.net/~nikon-d50/
Yellowstone-Teton Trip
http://home.comcast.net/~recentphotos/
Pentax istD Site
http://home.comcast.net/~pentax-istd/
 
PrimeUser said:
If 2 new boxed cameras were placed in front of you, a D70s and a
D80 and you could choose either for free, which would you choose?

Of course I'm not saying it's worth it to upgrade for everyone, not
even sure if it's worth upgrading my D50, but if someone is
starting from scratch their would need to be a big price difference
to choose other then the D80( if it pans out to as good as everyone
expects).

Yes, I understand the body size choice, I actually chose a D50 over
the D70s primarily based on the smaller size I liked. Hard to
change that if you don't like it.
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The D70s, for all reasons except a vertical grip..which isn't a big enough reason to make me choose the D80. I've held the D50, and it was too small. I have small/medium hands, and my pinky was too close to the edge of the grip. Yes, the vertical grip would help....but I wouldn't always want to use the vertical grip. After owning a Nikon N55 for 3 years, I came to absolutely HATE small bodies. Not only are they less comfortable to hold, but when you put a medium to large lens on it, it's like driving a Pinto with a V12 in it. What would be ideal to me is a D80's internal features in a D70s body, with a CF card slot.
 
retro123 said:
or the memory card format, what could be more important then the
IQ, which we know very little about yet??
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Holding the camera steady very much affects IQ.
retro123 said:
For heavens sake go get the vertical grip if your pinky cant
support the camera and wait for the reviews.
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I have no use for a VG, and it makes the camera unnecessarily bulky. The D70 and D200 are just about right in size w/o VGs. D80 will be larger and and probably not to far from the price of the D200 with the VG.

All I ask for is for the camera fo be a few mm higher, so that I can support it with my whole hand.

So, with the D80 I will HAVE to buy an accesory that is not needed with the cheaper D70, or the D200.
 
I'd much rather they discontinue the D50, so that some of you guys would stop the endless campaign against the D70.

It wouldn't make any difference getting rid of the D70 (or the D70s, which is NOT 2.5 years old), you'd just move further up the model range.

On another thread some D50 zealots are seriously trying to cross swords with not only the D80, but the D200 AND the D2x/s! It's seriously getting laughable.

What's needed is for some of you guys to relax, come to the conclusion that you've nothing to prove and just get out and shoot. (Now, where did I put that flame suit)

Alan.
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I won't be buying the D80 for the same reason, It is too small, It feels like a toy compaired to what I am use to...
jmo

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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - ' Wow! What a ride!'

 
One has to feel comfortable with the camera and the D50 and D80 just don't feel right, Why would I want a camera I don't like how it feels to me?
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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming - ' Wow! What a ride!'

 
6MP is extremely important.

Right now it delivers lower noise than the 10MP sensor.

It is more resolution than most people will ever need.

Travel photography really needs better battery life and smaller NEF files than the 10MP cameras can handle.

The D50 is a waste of time now with the D70s so cheap, but it would be sad for the market to be forced into the hungry 10MP cameras. The D70s should stay.

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Bob Walters said:
By the way, since this is the Internet, feel free to answer with
any wild A$$ guess that crosses your mind, but kindly distinguish
between information which is entirely fabricated from that which
you find published by a recognized authority.
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Sorry, D70(s) is to big of a camera, passed it by when it first came out too.
I'm hoping the D80 will have the best of both (D50 & D70).
2 dials
remote flash
low noise
modern image engine
good size
lighted display
MLU( kinda)
10 MP ( icing)
SD ( memory card does not matter since I upload to a PSD anyway)

And after all this I still believe the lens makes a bigger difference in picture quality then the camera anyway.
English said:
I'd much rather they discontinue the D50, so that some of you guys
would stop the endless campaign against the D70.

It wouldn't make any difference getting rid of the D70 (or the
D70s, which is NOT 2.5 years old), you'd just move further up the
model range.
On another thread some D50 zealots are seriously trying to cross
swords with not only the D80, but the D200 AND the D2x/s! It's
seriously getting laughable.

What's needed is for some of you guys to relax, come to the
conclusion that you've nothing to prove and just get out and shoot.
(Now, where did I put that flame suit)

Alan.
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Spam Filter Reviews at: http://www.whichspamfilter.com
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D50 site
http://home.comcast.net/~nikon-d50/
Yellowstone-Teton Trip
http://home.comcast.net/~recentphotos/
Pentax istD Site
http://home.comcast.net/~pentax-istd/
 
PrimeUser said:
It was bad enough around here with the D50 vs D70s debates, now we
can add the D80 to the "what should I buy" threads.!!!
D50, D80, D200 is enough.
You wouldn't buy a 2.5 yr old designed computer, so why buy a 2.5
year old D70s over a D80? This will divide the forum even more....
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Hey... We all know that the D80 is a direct replacement for the Canon 350XT...LOL .....;o))

So the Nikon line up of cameras is getting pretty good..... One to suit everyone’s needs.... How would you like it if Chevy, Ford etc only made 2 levels of cars, and that’s all you have to choose from...
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Wally..........
Adelaide,AUSTRALIA



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Is the D50 image quality as good better or worse then the D70 in your opinion?
 
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