here is news on E-1 successor

..even I can see that the 4/3 system will die. The 4/3 standard..
which I, as a prosumer, assumed to mean that any 4/3 camera body
and any 4/3 lens would have total compatibility, irrespective of
the manufacturer, with any other 4/3 body/lens ,... has turned out
to be a dream... aka the Panasonic and its "kit" Leica lens.(you do
not get full functionality of the (expensive) latter with any
E-system camera body). And now we have the superbly-cheap (10+
megapixel) Nikon D80. How can Olympus compete with this product ...
The Nikon D80 is not even fully compatible to many older Nikon lenses, so what does that mean to you ?
and (if my suspicions are correct) will bother? My prediction is
that the E-1 replacement will never be marketed.
Ah, another doomsayer ;-)
I feel sorry for
anyone who has purchased those truely-superb 150mm f2 and 50-200
f2.8 lenses. They will never be able to project their fantastic
images onto an equally fantastic camera sensor.....
huh.
unless
someone...somewhere.. produces an adapter that allows these dream
lenses to be used on Canon/Nikon dslrs.
and now it gets completly obscure, because this is not possible because of the image circle, flange back distance and a few other "minor" problems.

Btw, I have read today (from Canon CPS Hamburg, don't shot the messanger!) that Canon will not introduce any professional camera in 2006, whatever that means.

So maybe Canon is also doomed? ;-)

Btw, Canon EF-S lenses do not fit their 1D series, 5D, D30, D60 and 10D.

Many older Sigma lenses do not fit new Canon DSLRs (Err 99)

The grass is not so green on the other side as it seems to be for many...

Just try it.
 
I feel sorry for
anyone who has purchased those truely-superb 150mm f2 and 50-200
f2.8 lenses.
Why? I've been making and selling great images from my 50-200 on my
e1 already..

Is it going to stop working soon?
Thats not what he said. He said those lens will not be able to live up to their ture potential. Has nothing to do with what you are creating with them now.
 
If it's going to commence with the German kernel, you know it'll be great!

:-)

Oly
 
shrugs

I'm not one to need a new camera every three years. I'm fine to wait. You, obviously not, and thats your problem.

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This falls into one of those "ridiculous" posts given the recent announcement of 4/3rds lenses. Why don't you wait for Photokina to comeby before saying so much BS.. really.

As for living to its true potential I am having no problems making the most out of my 50-200 with my e-330. If all you care by that statement is "maximum lens resolution" a lot of lenses out there don't live to their true potential either, it doesn't mean they are not useful with what they bring in the other characteristics. Moreover, this points to someone who needs to take more pictures and concentrate less on equipment.
  • Raist
..even I can see that the 4/3 system will die. The 4/3 standard..
which I, as a prosumer, assumed to mean that any 4/3 camera body
and any 4/3 lens would have total compatibility, irrespective of
the manufacturer, with any other 4/3 body/lens ,... has turned out
to be a dream... aka the Panasonic and its "kit" Leica lens.(you do
not get full functionality of the (expensive) latter with any
E-system camera body). And now we have the superbly-cheap (10+
megapixel) Nikon D80. How can Olympus compete with this product ...
and (if my suspicions are correct) will bother? My prediction is
that the E-1 replacement will never be marketed. I feel sorry for
anyone who has purchased those truely-superb 150mm f2 and 50-200
f2.8 lenses. They will never be able to project their fantastic
images onto an equally fantastic camera sensor.....unless
someone...somewhere.. produces an adapter that allows these dream
lenses to be used on Canon/Nikon dslrs.
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Raist3d
Tools/Gui Programmer - vid games industry, photography student
 
..even I can see that the 4/3 system will die. The 4/3 standard..
which I, as a prosumer, assumed to mean that any 4/3 camera body
and any 4/3 lens would have total compatibility, irrespective of
the manufacturer, with any other 4/3 body/lens
I believe the key phrase above is "...I...assumed...". 4/3 was never about IS. IS isn't part of the standard. The glass is fully compatible as far as the 4/3 standard is concerned. Oly and 4/3 can't be responsible for your assumptions.
aka the Panasonic and its "kit" Leica lens.(you do
not get full functionality of the (expensive) latter with any
E-system camera body).
Your post is further assuming that no bodies issued "post Panny/Leica IS" will fully support all of its modes. All current E-system bodies were on the street before the Leica lens with AF. This is a new feature. It remains to be seen if support for all IS modes will be in future bodies from Oly.

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E-Three-Hundred/DZ Fourteen-Fifty-Four/Sigma Fifty-Five-Two-Hundred
E-Ten/C-Twenty-One-Hundred-UZ/E-One-Hundred-RS/D-Four-Hundred-Z
Oldma-cdon-aldh-adaf-arm-EI-EI-O
 
All this griping about no new Pro camera is balony. Nikon and Canon did not change their film Pro cameras very often either. Almost ten years for Nikon.

The e-1 is a great camera for photographers not pixel peepers. It does every thing I want it to do and more.

E-1 5 mega pixel files looks a good as some 8 mega pixel cameras with smaller file sizes. It is compact and agile too. One of the best cropped camera viewfinders.

The 4/3rd's mount allows new digital smaller for their viewing angle lenses. My om 135 f2.8 has almost the same view as my old 300 f2.8. It weights oz's instead of pounds and $70 intsead of $1200. Also any lens for slr's can be mounted with the proper adapter.

4/3rd's also prints better for 5x7, 8x10 and 8.5x11. Less cropping.

I have Used both Nikon and Canon!. Nikon for 30years & Canon for a year and a half. I coverted to Olympus from Canon because I could not afford their lenses and the Oly color.

Canon

1. You HAVE to have their L-Glass to get a good lens. All very expensive. Got some great shots, but had to do alot of post processing.

2. DUST! Was forever cleaning the thing. The person who baught it on eBay complained of dust.

Nikon

1. No manual metering on non-cpu lenses. Nikon claimed jhow they have not changed their F-Mount but they did by removing the ability to meter on all the thousands of great manual lenses. They fix that with the D200 but it is too expensive. You still can't meter with mirror lenses of which I have two.

2. Only Nikon F-Mount lenses can be used.

3. Dust.

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Alan
http://homepage.mac.com/halfmac/
Oly E-1, E-300

 
If this is true, the present Olympus corporate management is made
of the most inept people out there: E-330 is NOT selling at all.
Luckily I'm not a shareholder!
Yup agreed. The e-330 has been pretty much a bomb. Don't know how a camera that can't be found in the stores can be considered a success. I'm not talking about being sold out. The retailers are simply not carrying it. The e-500 has been a success. Unfortunately, from the sounds of it, Oly is betting the house on LiveView, a technology that nobody except digicam newbies have asked for.

Maybe Oly held back the E-3 to add a movie mode, LOL.
 
If this is true, the present Olympus corporate management is made
of the most inept people out there: E-330 is NOT selling at all.
Luckily I'm not a shareholder!
Yup agreed. The e-330 has been pretty much a bomb. Don't know how
a camera that can't be found in the stores can be considered a
success. I'm not talking about being sold out. The retailers are
simply not carrying it.
And your evidence of this is where?
The e-500 has been a success.
Unfortunately, from the sounds of it, Oly is betting the house on
LiveView, a technology that nobody except digicam newbies have
asked for.
Which is why it's so funny that in my thread "Nothing wrong with live view on the E-3" the peopel that defended live view the most are the ones out there trying to take real photographs.
Maybe Oly held back the E-3 to add a movie mode, LOL.
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Raist3d
Tools/Gui Programmer - vid games industry, photography student
 
And your evidence of this is where?
No, you give me the evidence. I just gave it to you. Walk into Circuit City, BestBuy, CompUSA, any national box store and try to buy one. If it's such a huge hit, why is it nearly impossible to buy it?

If it's such a success, where is the e-330 on this list?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/stats.asp

Sorry, it fell off the list within days and haven't been seen since.

So where is your evidence?
 
I wonder why anyone would do a mock – certainly not to bring the new “admirers” in. That sounds more like a joke. Is it a joke? I better wait and see what comes out in September before even discussing the subject. Some comments are quite funny though.
  • Sergey
 
Canon
1. You HAVE to have their L-Glass to get a good lens.
If this is so, how come my 1ds m1 with 28-135 gives at working apertures results every bit as good as my 3 L lenses??
And my 50mm 1.8 and my 28mm 2.8 are just as good??
 
First, let me say I have no idea if the E-330 has been a success or not.
No, you give me the evidence. I just gave it to you. Walk into
Circuit City, BestBuy, CompUSA, any national box store and try to
buy one. If it's such a huge hit, why is it nearly impossible to
buy it?

If it's such a success, where is the e-330 on this list?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/stats.asp
You just recently said the E-500 is a success and it also is not on the list.
Sorry, it fell off the list within days and haven't been seen since.

So where is your evidence?
The D2X is on this above list, but I have never seen it in any big box store.

Clearly the list you refer to and the presence or absence of a camera in the major electronics retail outlets do not combine to give us a good metric of success.

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Jay Turberville
http://www.jayandwanda.com
 
Thanks for the link!

This adds more excitement to the pre-Photokina speculation :)

An easy flagship could be an E1 body with the current 8mp Panasonic sensor without any major changes (read: no additional costs)

Or perhaps it is using a new high-end Panasonic sensor or perhaps a new high-end Kodak sensor. Kodak after all has experience making big sensors for digital backs and MF and older DSLRs.
Sorry if this has already been posted, but Olympus announces that
they will have a mock up at Photokina:
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/dslr/2006/08/10/4396.html

-gt
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My boring photography blog: http://photographyetc.livejournal.com
 
Yup agreed. The e-330 has been pretty much a bomb. Don't know how
a camera that can't be found in the stores can be considered a
success.
What is the ratio of local sales to online sales for digital cameras?
Unfortunately, from the sounds of it, Oly is betting the house on
LiveView, a technology that nobody except digicam newbies have
asked for.
Olympus has released on camera with LiveView. I don't see that as betting the house.

I've read a number of posts from folks who are not digicam newbies that find the potential of a LiveView system to be very interesting. I want it. I just don't want it with a reflex mirror and I especially don't want it in a camera that must move the mirror twice to take a picture.

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Jay Turberville
http://www.jayandwanda.com
 
At least here in Japan, most discount stores sell the D200 for less than $1500, which Is why I used that figure. The D200 is the most expensive, relatively large volume DSLR.

Unfortunately some consumers in NA and Europe seem content on buying the D200 at full MSRP, but at least here in the East supplies of D200 and plentiful and dealers readily do significant discounts.

-gt
 
I don't have sales numbers or graphs for the entire world, but at least here in Japan there is quite a bit of attention paid to the "ranking" of products (heck, everything gets ranked here...)

From BCN a little over a month ago:
http://bcnranking.jp/market/03-00008690.html

Note the graph in the middle of the article, on market share (for Japan, caveat) for the major players. Major spikes on the graphs indicate product introductions (with one understandable exception) - an important reminder on why new product introductions are always important. I imagine that if that graph is updated this fall the 2006 - 7,8,9 months will show some wild fluctuations due to the A100, K100D, and D80, and the rest of the year will have the K10D and a new Canon camera thrown in the mix.

Anyway, look at the graph for Olympus - the fall 2005 spike corresponds to the E-500 introduction. Now, the E-330 came on the market around PMA 2006, but notice that Olympus got no spike, rather at best a level month.

When individual models do show up on ranking lists (not often published beyond top 5), on occasion I've seen the E-500 on the top 10, but I've not seen the E-330.

This is not to bash the E-330 .... it is novel in what it does, and what it does appeals to some... if you are one of those then more power to you.

But, as a "sustainable base" I'd agree that it falls short. Now, if it were priced 1/3 less perhaps it would have a much higher volume - price is #1 consideration among these type of camera. However, perhaps Olympus is not able to produce it for that much less, I do not know.

Nevertheless, the Olympus has made a commitment to create said sustainable base in the Imaging Segment with DSLRs as the cornerstone. Thus, regardless of the E-330 success or failure, I expect Olympus to come out with an updated budget camera and a new flagship camera.

-gt
 
No, you give me the evidence. I just gave it to you. Walk into
Circuit City, BestBuy, CompUSA, any national box store and try to
buy one. If it's such a huge hit, why is it nearly impossible to
buy it?

If it's such a success, where is the e-330 on this list?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/stats.asp
You just recently said the E-500 is a success and it also is not on
the list.
Er...

"This simply represent a "level of interest" in a particular camera at any point in time."

Absolutely no concrete indication of selling or of use.
 
And your evidence of this is where?
No, you give me the evidence.
The burden of the proof is on you, not on me. You made the claim.
I just gave it to you. Walk into
Circuit City, BestBuy, CompUSA, any national box store and try to
buy one. If it's such a huge hit, why is it nearly impossible to
buy it?
I couldn't find an e-500 last week at two Best Buys I go to- does this mean it bombed? I could one e-1 at Frys... does it mean it's selling?

I have gone to my local camera dealer- Sammys - and they have them, and they have been selling them.
If it's such a success, where is the e-330 on this list?

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/stats.asp
How on Earth having clicks makes any camera sell more?
Sorry, it fell off the list within days and haven't been seen since.

So where is your evidence?
Well I go by the camera dealers I have seen. The ones that have them are selling them. I don't know if it's a huge success or not, but I don' tthink the claim of a bomb can be made either.

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Raist3d
Tools/Gui Programmer - vid games industry, photography student
 

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