dpth_of_field
Member
Some small amount of research will reveal that there are Nikon users who use Linux and UFRAW/DCRAW - myself included. It's a real issue - not marketing silliness. Silly.
-
Welcome to the new forums! Please read this first. For known issues we are working to resolve, click here.
Why is Canon more popular than Nikon?
- Thread starter Nick Scribner
- Start date
Julia Borg
Veteran Member
Read again what you wrote - "amateurs and pros around the world"
Is it akin to "there are Nikon users"?
Windows issue is orders of magnitude larger, and user base is uncomparable to Nikon's.
Let me ask you again. what is the percent of Windows users around the world that switched to NIX because of Windows issues?
Let me add another question: how many Windows users are even aware of Windows issues?
another: what is the percent of Nikon users that shoot NEFs?
and the last one: what are real implications of so-called encryption when Nikon developed miniSDK to "decrypt" it?
LOL. get real. marketing....
--
Julia
First off NOT trying to start a flame war here. I don't dislike microsoft nor apple, nor nikon. But I would guess YOU like nikon or you wouldn't be possing such a query in the Nikon forum.
People say Microsoft has a monopoly, that may have (or still be) true, while I don't think Canon does. But an important point to see is the power of legacy. Microsoft has all this software built up, to switch to another OS completely you pretty much would have to give it up, and buy it again.
If you have lots of Canon lens same deal. That is the market positions aren't totally flexable. I think the comsumer market has lots more play in it, because there isn't this entrenchment. I for one am caught, this D80 sounds very good (rarely use high iso) and yet here I am thinking well Canon will respond, and I might save the hastle and loss of selling my lens. I'm not so stuck as most people as its really only 2 lens but still.
Canon got me by being first to market with the 300D. I think Nikon bodies have probably been superior in this segment since the D50/D70, in terms of usablity.
So I have started to ramble but I think that's a bit of why Canon is more popular its a snowball effect.
--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbryce/
People say Microsoft has a monopoly, that may have (or still be) true, while I don't think Canon does. But an important point to see is the power of legacy. Microsoft has all this software built up, to switch to another OS completely you pretty much would have to give it up, and buy it again.
If you have lots of Canon lens same deal. That is the market positions aren't totally flexable. I think the comsumer market has lots more play in it, because there isn't this entrenchment. I for one am caught, this D80 sounds very good (rarely use high iso) and yet here I am thinking well Canon will respond, and I might save the hastle and loss of selling my lens. I'm not so stuck as most people as its really only 2 lens but still.
Canon got me by being first to market with the 300D. I think Nikon bodies have probably been superior in this segment since the D50/D70, in terms of usablity.
So I have started to ramble but I think that's a bit of why Canon is more popular its a snowball effect.
--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbryce/
I think issue 3 use to exsist but how does it any more when 16 mm eff zooms exsist for crop cameras? Unless you want some very special lens or demand primes for everything I think the lens issue is dead.
--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbryce/
--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bbryce/
Scott Goosman
Leading Member
Not my car. But actually with the proper technician I'm sure canon could albeit there would be lots and lots of problems. Then again quite a few cameras are making or trying to make interchangable sensor systems want examples look at MF and Leica.constructive? you mean you want to know the construction of camera?
can you change the engine in the car for a better one?
yes.
Yes the processors are part of the equation but never heard anyone hear say god I cannot wait to upgrade to that new processor unit made by samsung, that thing is just great really makes my jpegs great!
I use Bowens don't think they give a damn what camera I use! Do profoto only work with Canon or Nikon? Course this had nothing to do with the terrible first analogy! Nice try to move the subject!
Sorry great photgraphers are great photographers! They can use either system. Maybe they will be more frustrated with one system or the other but ya you can normalize them across the brand or format. So yes they can be removed from the equation.you can't even take photographer out of equation
KK been fun!
Cheers,
Scott
--
http://www.pbase.com/sjhugoose
Julia Borg
Veteran Member
too bad. is it P&S car? Or is it that good that there will be nothing better tomorrow?
No. Even to fit a 30D-type sensor into 20D. You will need to change processing circuitry.
Oh come on. Digic iV is much better then Digic IIa
that's funny. it is not a camera flash system, why you brought it here?
why sorry?
--
Julia
Dirty Old Man
Leading Member
??
--
--
Hauer
Senior Member
Uh, now let me think..... according to my limited knowledge of the alphabet C comes before N so my guess is folks see (C)anon prior to (N)ikon!
Uh, dunno if I got that right, Fred!
Fred, Fred..... where are you?
Cheers - Herman
PS. When it comes to Nikon quality, it doesen't matter in which order the alphabet is!
------------
My motto: To learn more today, than I did yesterday!
Nikon D50 ~ Nikkor AF 50mm f/1.8D ~ Sigma 50-500mm f/4-6.3 EX APO DG HSM ~ Nikkor 18-200VR (on order) ~ Mercury D50 Battery Grip ~ Jobo GigaOne 40gb ~ Lowepro Mini Trekker AW
Sony DSC-S85 ~ VCL-ES06 ~ HVL-F1000 ~ EagleEye OpticZoom ~ Pentax 50mm SMC f/1.4 (RL)
Uh, dunno if I got that right, Fred!
Fred, Fred..... where are you?
Cheers - Herman
PS. When it comes to Nikon quality, it doesen't matter in which order the alphabet is!
------------
My motto: To learn more today, than I did yesterday!
Nikon D50 ~ Nikkor AF 50mm f/1.8D ~ Sigma 50-500mm f/4-6.3 EX APO DG HSM ~ Nikkor 18-200VR (on order) ~ Mercury D50 Battery Grip ~ Jobo GigaOne 40gb ~ Lowepro Mini Trekker AW
Sony DSC-S85 ~ VCL-ES06 ~ HVL-F1000 ~ EagleEye OpticZoom ~ Pentax 50mm SMC f/1.4 (RL)
arenaman
Forum Enthusiast
That's simply burying your head in the sand.
Canon is wiping the floor with Nikon/Sony in the area of sensors. Sony is now a digital SLR manufacturer and has stated it wants to crush Nikon, basically.
In these circumstances, to NOT develop it's own sensors would be suicidal, unless of course they partner up with Kodak or Fuji, both of whom are not exactly huge players in the DSLR market.
--
Michael Stubbs, Middlesbrough, England
Canon is wiping the floor with Nikon/Sony in the area of sensors. Sony is now a digital SLR manufacturer and has stated it wants to crush Nikon, basically.
In these circumstances, to NOT develop it's own sensors would be suicidal, unless of course they partner up with Kodak or Fuji, both of whom are not exactly huge players in the DSLR market.
--
Michael Stubbs, Middlesbrough, England
English
Well-known member
Yep, it's a real enough issue to me. What gets me is Nikon saying in that advisory that it's for the sake of the photographers. Right.
I see no need for encryption, or adding the extra layer of complexity of judiciously granting access to the SDK. It shouldn't be needed and can only be a means to keep control of our images.
Alan.
--
Spam Filter Reviews at: http://www.whichspamfilter.com
Julia Borg
Veteran Member
floor in the area of sensors? how eloquent... how sensible... how English...
but I wonder where this idea comes from, Canon marketing division?
have you ever seen any other sensor parameters but noise?
for you to know Nikon has its own sensor (actually, 3 of them now), and who manufactures those for them does not matter much.
--
Julia
John Cerra2
Forum Enthusiast
Back in the 60's and 70's, Nikon USA was a company called EPOI (I think that is right.) The guy who ran the company was a marketing genius, and he got the Nikon F in the hands of every pro photographer he could. Press conferences were nothiing but Nikon F's...As much as advertising can get your attention, you notice what sneakers Michael Jordan wears, what clubs Tiger Woods hits, what bat Derek Jeter hits with.
Today, I think all the marketing genius is in the Canon offices. At any sporting event, we see photographers shooting white lens, and we know they are Canon lenses. It doesn't matter that Canon is onsite and lending accredited pro's these lenses, the image resonates with us. Pro's shoot Canons, why shouldn't I?
This might be a bit of a simplificaton, but Canon clearly knows how to market much better than Nikon. The Nikon F wasn't really noticeably better than the Canon F-1, and the 30D isn't really any better than the D200.
You might prefer one makers lenses for certain applications, but you can't go wrong shooting either make. Far more important is your technique...worry about that
Today, I think all the marketing genius is in the Canon offices. At any sporting event, we see photographers shooting white lens, and we know they are Canon lenses. It doesn't matter that Canon is onsite and lending accredited pro's these lenses, the image resonates with us. Pro's shoot Canons, why shouldn't I?
This might be a bit of a simplificaton, but Canon clearly knows how to market much better than Nikon. The Nikon F wasn't really noticeably better than the Canon F-1, and the 30D isn't really any better than the D200.
You might prefer one makers lenses for certain applications, but you can't go wrong shooting either make. Far more important is your technique...worry about that
John Cerra2
Forum Enthusiast
... Nikon is owned by Mitsubishi company.
Not true. Niikon is an independant, publicly traded company.
Not true. Niikon is an independant, publicly traded company.
IeraseU
Senior Member
Canon I see as more popular for the following reasons:
-Better (in general) P&S camera's, more variety and more of them. When P&S owners who get 'hooked' on photography want to upgrade, they look at the company who made thier 'great' P&S first.
-Cleaner high ISO performance.....anytime anyone compares Nikon and Canon this point is brought up. It's very useful for sports photographers and for everyone else (pixel peepers) it's a good talking point.
-More IS/USM lenses. Nikon still has not updated such lenses as the 50 f/1.4 or 85 f/1.4 with AF-S....meanwhile Canon has put USM in nearly every 'L' or quality lens. Canon also has more lenses with IS. Finally Canon lenses in general tend to be more reasonably priced.
-Full frame sensor.....not many people, percentage wise, can afford a full frame digital SLR (prices start at just under 3k)......however with Canon they know that the option is 'always there', giving a bit of an upgrade path......I agree for many it's emotional/romantic upgrade path and they will never make that leap until those camera's drop to around the 1k mark or lower....well emotional or rational, Canon gives thier owners something to shoot for (not many people buy Vipers either, but that car gives Dodge a lot of publicity). For pros full frame also gives the option of a relatively clean ISO 3200 and cameras better adapted to the studio through the use of standard 35mm lenses which have the capability of shallower DoF and wider focal lenghts with less distortion (usually).
Well those are the reasons I see for Canon being number 1 at this point, and in my opinion it's not all marketing and 'hype'....they do deserve that distinction although I'll always maintain Nikon makes the better camera bodies.
For this year I see the most revolutionary camera as the Sony A100. I see it as revolutionary a product to the DSLR market as was the orignal Canon Digital Rebel (first sub 1k dslr) and the Nikon D70 (was better then the 10D, and D100 for less) were for thier respective times.
-Better (in general) P&S camera's, more variety and more of them. When P&S owners who get 'hooked' on photography want to upgrade, they look at the company who made thier 'great' P&S first.
-Cleaner high ISO performance.....anytime anyone compares Nikon and Canon this point is brought up. It's very useful for sports photographers and for everyone else (pixel peepers) it's a good talking point.
-More IS/USM lenses. Nikon still has not updated such lenses as the 50 f/1.4 or 85 f/1.4 with AF-S....meanwhile Canon has put USM in nearly every 'L' or quality lens. Canon also has more lenses with IS. Finally Canon lenses in general tend to be more reasonably priced.
-Full frame sensor.....not many people, percentage wise, can afford a full frame digital SLR (prices start at just under 3k)......however with Canon they know that the option is 'always there', giving a bit of an upgrade path......I agree for many it's emotional/romantic upgrade path and they will never make that leap until those camera's drop to around the 1k mark or lower....well emotional or rational, Canon gives thier owners something to shoot for (not many people buy Vipers either, but that car gives Dodge a lot of publicity). For pros full frame also gives the option of a relatively clean ISO 3200 and cameras better adapted to the studio through the use of standard 35mm lenses which have the capability of shallower DoF and wider focal lenghts with less distortion (usually).
Well those are the reasons I see for Canon being number 1 at this point, and in my opinion it's not all marketing and 'hype'....they do deserve that distinction although I'll always maintain Nikon makes the better camera bodies.
For this year I see the most revolutionary camera as the Sony A100. I see it as revolutionary a product to the DSLR market as was the orignal Canon Digital Rebel (first sub 1k dslr) and the Nikon D70 (was better then the 10D, and D100 for less) were for thier respective times.
cancurry
Member
I work in the TV news industry in Canberra (Australia). In the late eighties, all the newspaper photographers were using Nikon F3's and FM2's. I remember when the F4 came out a lot of people switched to Canon EOS because at that time they thought it had a better autofocus system. In the last couple of years it appears some are using Nikon again. Swings and roundabouts.
John Cerra2
Forum Enthusiast
If Nikon doesn't want to live as an old and lazy king, it should develop better sensors and processors and catch Canon.
While I didn't agree with much of your statement, I wouldn't have argued with it. Canon does seem to beat Nikon to market, but first isn't necessarily best.
However, the processor question is interesting. Canon makes the processors in their cameras. Nikon has been buying them from Sony. Now, given that Sony has devoured my beloved Konica, which had already acquired Minolta, and is ruinning with the Minolta technology...Nikon has an interesting problem to deal with.
While I didn't agree with much of your statement, I wouldn't have argued with it. Canon does seem to beat Nikon to market, but first isn't necessarily best.
However, the processor question is interesting. Canon makes the processors in their cameras. Nikon has been buying them from Sony. Now, given that Sony has devoured my beloved Konica, which had already acquired Minolta, and is ruinning with the Minolta technology...Nikon has an interesting problem to deal with.
MazG
Forum Enthusiast
One thing I've noticed is that consumer electronics/appliances stores usually sell Canon but to buy Nikon you need to go to a more specialized photography dealer, or at least a store with a larger photography department.
My example is that you can't buy a Nikon DSLR from Future Shop (a large consumer electronics store in Canada) but have to go to a photography store or a store with a larger selection of DSLR. However, you Future Shop do have the Digital Rebel XT in stock.
Seems to me that if it's not easily available you're less likely to buy it, especially on impulse.
--
MazG
My example is that you can't buy a Nikon DSLR from Future Shop (a large consumer electronics store in Canada) but have to go to a photography store or a store with a larger selection of DSLR. However, you Future Shop do have the Digital Rebel XT in stock.
Seems to me that if it's not easily available you're less likely to buy it, especially on impulse.
--
MazG
I have both 30D and D70, just my own opinion, images from D70+NC combo image is better than 30D. I use L lens. Canon body and lens was sent back to calibrate. Disappointing after received back.
The biggest advantag of Canon is speed and speed and speed = high ISO. How much you photography will spend on F2.8 lens and why? Because of speed. Why is speed importance? Because it is one main key of sharpness. Together with IS, canon is speed++.
I hope one day, Nikon can catch up with the high ISO cause I like my D70 image better and Nikon can have ultimate Sharpness++
The biggest advantag of Canon is speed and speed and speed = high ISO. How much you photography will spend on F2.8 lens and why? Because of speed. Why is speed importance? Because it is one main key of sharpness. Together with IS, canon is speed++.
I hope one day, Nikon can catch up with the high ISO cause I like my D70 image better and Nikon can have ultimate Sharpness++
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikon
At the end of the first paragraph;
' Nikon is one of the Mitsubishi companies.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi
Bottom of the history part;
'Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, which includes these industrial companies.
Mitsubishi Motors, the 4th largest Japanese auto manufacturer.
Mitsubishi Atomic Industry, a nuclear power company.
Mitsubishi Chemical, the largest Japanese chemicals company
Nikon Corporation, a well-known brand of photographic equipment.'
At the end of the first paragraph;
' Nikon is one of the Mitsubishi companies.'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi
Bottom of the history part;
'Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, which includes these industrial companies.
Mitsubishi Motors, the 4th largest Japanese auto manufacturer.
Mitsubishi Atomic Industry, a nuclear power company.
Mitsubishi Chemical, the largest Japanese chemicals company
Nikon Corporation, a well-known brand of photographic equipment.'
RudivanS
Senior Member
“No one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American/general public.”
--
Rudi
It's about time we started to take photography seriously and treat it as a hobby. - Elliott Erwitt
Similar threads
Keyboard shortcuts
- f
- Forum