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Lillrobert said:
Pavel Sokolov said:
Time to sell sd10?
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Maybe, IF it really appears a new SD#, there will proberbly be many
used SD9/10 cameras on the market wich results in lower prices. If
it not comes, well there is a lot of other cameras to chosse from.
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Hmmm... I think its just the opposite...

If there is no new Sigma... there will soon be a lot of Sd´s for sale...as users will go to Nikon, Sony et.c.

If there is a new Sigma .. I guess most users will keep their SD as a back-up....
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Thought about selling it before Photokina...but I usually do not bet...who knows what they might have for us...

It also depends on the next one's price tag wether used SD10s will really drop in prices. I assume the next SD will initially cost around 1500 again, and a decent marketing/advertising campaign might raise interest in used Sds and -at least partially- compensate for a bigger supply volume -also, many SD users will keep the old body as a backup.

Bottom line is the cost of keeping the old SD until the new one is released will probably not be too high.
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And there is larger force at work also. News of Fuji's success in multi layer sensor ( based on the concept of theit Film ) is not new, so do similar development by other sensor maker. And despite what all Sigma & Foveon can do. The SD-9 / SD-10 can claim to be an innovation but hardly a finished product. That coupled with the fact that by default the Sigma mount will have limited support made the camera a niche setup. And speaking of quality image. While we can say at time of launch, the SD-9/SD-10 do have a bit of an advantage, but time moves on and todays DSLR from major mfr are just as capable and more in producing quality images

A nikon or Canon EF mount SD might help, but does that really make sense with Sigma's push for their brand & marque. I suppose the Foven/Sigma SD can claim to be the Audi Quattro or the Lotus sportcar of the DSLR, Yes, sure it perform, but others sell more and likely already satisfy the need of the market in most regards. And for those that need the extreme performance, there are also other choice that can be made

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Franka T.L. said:
advantage, but time moves on and todays DSLR from major mfr are
just as capable and more in producing quality images
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I surf around flickr eventually and get to see a lot of pictures done with present major brand gear. From my impression, the quality is still not the same, if you leave out the obviously better high iso/long exposure performance and things like higher frame rates and advanced functionality. When I look at the "original" size of posted images that look nice as thumbnail, I am often disappointed.

I dont intend to "bash" any other particular gear here but if you compare (100 percent-crop-wise) the Sigma @ iso 100 and with decent glass with major brand cams in the original price range of the SD, the colours of other cams often look weird and the images usually look softer. THis gets most obvious in HDR imaging. Even IF the image quality was the same, I would not really mind since I am happy with the SD's. But it still isnt. They can release a 20MP bayer camera and, up to a certain size, it will still be worse than the SD.

But that's only my subjective impression and I have neither the will nor the know-how to scientifically prove that. I mean, it's also possible that all 30d users are conspiring and use post-processing to make lesser people believe that the sky is full of purple particles. ;P

Cheers,

Tif

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Tiffles said:
light_reaction said:
advantage, but time moves on and todays DSLR from major mfr are
just as capable and more in producing quality images
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I surf around flickr eventually and get to see a lot of pictures
done with present major brand gear. From my impression, the quality
is still not the same, if you leave out the obviously better high
iso/long exposure performance and things like higher frame rates
and advanced functionality. When I look at the "original" size of
posted images that look nice as thumbnail, I am often disappointed.

I dont intend to "bash" any other particular gear here but if you
compare (100 percent-crop-wise) the Sigma @ iso 100 and with decent
glass with major brand cams in the original price range of the SD,
the colours of other cams often look weird and the images usually
look softer. THis gets most obvious in HDR imaging. Even IF the
image quality was the same, I would not really mind since I am
happy with the SD's. But it still isnt. They can release a 20MP
bayer camera and, up to a certain size, it will still be worse than
the SD.

But that's only my subjective impression and I have neither the
will nor the know-how to scientifically prove that. I mean, it's
also possible that all 30d users are conspiring and use
post-processing to make lesser people believe that the sky is full
of purple particles. ;P
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And lets not forget the orange skin tones!

Regards

DSG
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Tucsondave.2 said:
Laurence Matson said:
Exactly. All those platitudes - Rome was not built in a day, etc. -
apply here as long as these players stay at the table. I have a
sneaking suspicion that this next step may be a lot better than
some think at first glance, which was the case of the last two as
well. If it is, then the following steps will be easier.

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Ok. Now I'm really confused. What do Roman platypusses and midnight
gamblers have to do with it?. I think I get the part about
sneaking up the steps. Are those the Spanish steps? I'm extremely
worried about what type of battery (if any) I'll have to use in the
new SD (if any). And will I have to read the manual? The E-Therapy
just isn't working.
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It would'nt matter if it has a fusion reactor built in that does'nt need recharging for 12 billion years...Some people will still moan about it!

Believe it or not I really prefer the battery options available for the SD10, in fact, one of the main reasons I got the SD10 was because it could use AA batteries, mainly so I would'nt be tied into using expensive and hard to come by proprietry batteries, that would'nt be interchangable if I swapped camera models or the brand of camera, later on.

The cameras it came down to choosing between were the Fuji S2 pro, Pentax *istD and the SD10, all capable of using AA's, but obviously it was the image quality of the SD10 that clinched it.

IMO it would be a very sad day if the next Sigma can only use a unique type of proprietry battery as with the general lack of support for Sigma products in stores worlwide (apart from their lenses of course), the only source for such batteries may be direct from one of the regional Sigma head offices.

And going by the high price Sigma charge for their own Sigma-labled RCR-V3 batteries, they would quite likely be very expensive to buy too.

...I would very much prefer they stay with AA, CR-V3 and RCR-V3 compatabilty, but being a realist I can understand why they might not do that with a new camera.

However if they decide to use a proprietry battery that is easily available, and not too expensive say one for certain Canon or Nikon cameras at least it would take some of the sting out of it.

Regards

DSG

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Hello all!

well, it might be true that its too late for the mass, but its like Apple vs Microsoft. MS is the mass market supplier whereas Apple serves well fo a lot of users...guess whats the better system? MacOs or Windows??
 
MACs are getting to be like Windoze. Intels and all that implies.

In the past, there was a lot of justification for preferring MACs but now, to be honest, Windoze is so much better and look at the sheer range of programmes and freebies on offer - and often the prices are affordable for Windoze users - far less choice - may be good - but expensive in comparison.

Of course .... I stick with Win 2K - XP is not my cup of tea atall atall. Linuz is Ok but Geeky still.

Just wish the old IBM Warp 3 had been the mainstay - then we would have had a powerful and stable system years ago.

Anyway - all that really matters is what one uses them for and Windoze works well with photo programmes just fine if the computer is properly setup ... but that, of course, is another story.
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Hi there!!

It might be true that Mac and Windows came closer, but I see a big advantage in hardware from Apple and its nearly the only pc which uses all the intel features by now. I have an old G5 with the old processor and I am quite happy but I am sure that the new ones are good as well. If Apple is doing worse now why is it that still most of the designers and creative professionals using Macs? Secondly I think Apple as a company is doing very well or am I wrong??
Of course Macs are a niche producht, but its a good one!! As is the Sigma Sd10!

I will visit the Photokina in Cologne in september as I am living in Dusseldorf nearby and I am very curious if there will be any Sigmas Sdxx to look at!!
have a good night,
Heiko
 
Zone8 said:
but now, to be honest, Windoze is so much better and look at the
sheer range of programmes and freebies on offer -
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Indeed, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of web sites willing to give you free software to run in Windows. Sometimes you don't even have to click a download button or agree to a license agreement. Sweet!

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If you truly have a Mac it's got to be before OS X because I can't remember when my Mac locked up.

It'a a old G4 running on system 10.3.9. It's not the fastest in the world but it's still faster than I'am.
Hey.. we all have to have time to be creative.

There are all the professional programs that I need and some that are not availabe for PC's

HR
 
Hermann said:
If you truly have a Mac it's got to be before OS X because I can't
remember when my Mac locked up.
It'a a old G4 running on system 10.3.9. It's not the fastest in the
world but it's still faster than I'am.
Hey.. we all have to have time to be creative.

There are all the professional programs that I need and some that
are not availabe for PC's

HR
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My MAC "was" running OS 8. I don't use it anymore. I run Windows XP and very happy with the performance. The reference to locking up was just a bit of a joke, I've had no problems since switching to windows. I see no advantage using a MAC system at the present time. I'm quite happy with Windows. Only thing I dislike about it is the lack of color management with the web but I'm sure that will change.

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The System 7 releases were pretty bad as well. Open Transport was a disaster for quite a long time too. Those were the bad old years for sure.
 
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