Then I suggest you take down all the images that you have made available on the web and see how many people respond to your work. I also would suggest that the next time you wish to post a picture on this forum, you instead, just describe the photo in text.
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OT: p&s pic of flying cat
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Melanie Kipp
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LOL, that makes absolutely no point ( or sense ) !!
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UziY
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From what Frank says, it is part of a loving relation, and a normal, harmless, time of having fun.
The picture, when viewed by us (outsiders) conveys none of this. Perhaps it is the awkward position of the cat, that a fraction of a second later was very different.
What Frank feels, knowing the circumstances and the people involved, is so much different that what other people feel when viewing this picture.
Therefore, as an image, it fails one of the more important tests.
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The picture, when viewed by us (outsiders) conveys none of this. Perhaps it is the awkward position of the cat, that a fraction of a second later was very different.
What Frank feels, knowing the circumstances and the people involved, is so much different that what other people feel when viewing this picture.
Therefore, as an image, it fails one of the more important tests.
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Frostfrog
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...and you missed my original point. Oh well. Communication is a shaky thing.
Larry H. Smith
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Some guy insults the Pope/Ayahtolla, whatever, causes a holy war..."great" comment!
Pervert commits obscene act on kid, causes outrage,... "great" act!
CEO rips-off employee pensioners of millions, causes uproar,..."great" scheme.
Pretty simplistic requirement for "great"-ness.
What do news-photogs wishes for commercial sales potential have to do with greatness?
What would "pettiness" be, if not a reduction of all values to a dollar-sign?
Strange criteria.
Larry
Neil Burt
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Anytime anyone posts a negative cat topic all the online chimps shake their cages, shriek and throw poop!
That's why we do it. To point you all out, so we know who you are and make sure you are not invited to our parties.
Best cat stunt I ever saw was the World Skydiving Cat Catch. A hoax perpetrated by a talk show host in Atlanta. For the next three days he received literally tens of thousands of emails, calls and complaint letters to his producer. Afterward, he announced that his new contract included a $10 bonus for every complaint, and he had set this up because he could think of nothing else which would generate as much hate mail. He took the proceeds and paid cash for a new Mooney (expensive private airplane).
2 days ago I posted a negative Cat post and got called every name in the book, including RACIST??? I did this just to bait the looneys, and it worked. Idiots even posted that cats created a relaxing atmosphere. Obviously not, as they wet their pants in fury over my fine salutation to their furry little friends.
To all the cat people out there, and as stated above. "We know who you are" Take a valium or something. Calm down. Get a dog. Your blood pressure will go down, and you might even make some friends!!!
PS. At least a bottle rocket was not used to launch this cat.
neil
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That's why we do it. To point you all out, so we know who you are and make sure you are not invited to our parties.
Best cat stunt I ever saw was the World Skydiving Cat Catch. A hoax perpetrated by a talk show host in Atlanta. For the next three days he received literally tens of thousands of emails, calls and complaint letters to his producer. Afterward, he announced that his new contract included a $10 bonus for every complaint, and he had set this up because he could think of nothing else which would generate as much hate mail. He took the proceeds and paid cash for a new Mooney (expensive private airplane).
2 days ago I posted a negative Cat post and got called every name in the book, including RACIST??? I did this just to bait the looneys, and it worked. Idiots even posted that cats created a relaxing atmosphere. Obviously not, as they wet their pants in fury over my fine salutation to their furry little friends.
To all the cat people out there, and as stated above. "We know who you are" Take a valium or something. Calm down. Get a dog. Your blood pressure will go down, and you might even make some friends!!!
PS. At least a bottle rocket was not used to launch this cat.
neil
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Frostfrog
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...guess who, Neil.
As for the black cat, Jim, sleeping atop my monitor, his left front paw with its abundance of toes hanging down in front of this page, he is cool, relaxed and such a joy to be with.
As for the black cat, Jim, sleeping atop my monitor, his left front paw with its abundance of toes hanging down in front of this page, he is cool, relaxed and such a joy to be with.
fad
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I'm sorry but I think all the people overreacting to this photo are the ones who lack respect for these creatures. For them, cats are only a means to show their superior sensitivity and morality. They seek a way to lord over, not just innocent beasties, but their fellow man. Shame on them and their nannying, puritanical busibodiness.
To respect a cat is to understand it shares creatureliness with us. They are not just victims. They are just as capable of annoying us as we are of annoying them! At lest mine are. And they sometimes do it for fun!
Anyone who would drive a cat for miles to get it pose for him started out with no sense of his cat (and most cats) are like in the first place. It was nice that he learned. But how long did he live with it before figuring this out? All he proved is that, although basically obtuse, he was capable of being trained by his pet. That does not give one the right to criticize other people. He was lucky that his cat was smart enough to wake him out of his torpor. The owner was not being sensitive. The cat was intelligent enough to train him! For my money, the cat gets all the credit, and the owner a big fat rasberry. Sensitive, my foot.
I'm surprised the busibodies did not crticize his daughter for being a potential anoerexic, for typecasting her by letting her wear pink and for letting her play in a room with an open fan. It would make just as much sense.
And yes, it is extremely abusive to criticize someone's parenting in public. No one with a shred of decency would do so. It indicates a malicious heart to knowingly would a human being that way.
I look at the picture and I see a family full of joy and love. There is nothing the puritans hate more, I suppose.
To respect a cat is to understand it shares creatureliness with us. They are not just victims. They are just as capable of annoying us as we are of annoying them! At lest mine are. And they sometimes do it for fun!
Anyone who would drive a cat for miles to get it pose for him started out with no sense of his cat (and most cats) are like in the first place. It was nice that he learned. But how long did he live with it before figuring this out? All he proved is that, although basically obtuse, he was capable of being trained by his pet. That does not give one the right to criticize other people. He was lucky that his cat was smart enough to wake him out of his torpor. The owner was not being sensitive. The cat was intelligent enough to train him! For my money, the cat gets all the credit, and the owner a big fat rasberry. Sensitive, my foot.
I'm surprised the busibodies did not crticize his daughter for being a potential anoerexic, for typecasting her by letting her wear pink and for letting her play in a room with an open fan. It would make just as much sense.
And yes, it is extremely abusive to criticize someone's parenting in public. No one with a shred of decency would do so. It indicates a malicious heart to knowingly would a human being that way.
I look at the picture and I see a family full of joy and love. There is nothing the puritans hate more, I suppose.
Frostfrog
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...I learned from the cat and recognized that what I was doing was not right. Perhaps others here, including yourself, might be capable of learning similar lessons.
I might point out that when you read, you read things that are not there. For example, where did you read that I drove the "cat for miles"? This is Alaska - everytime you turn around you come to a different airstrip, even if they would not all be recognized as such down in the Lower 48. The airstrip where I kept the Running Dog (the wreckage now sits alongside my house) is just down the road from me - I would sometimes walk to get there.
As for my sense of the cat, and his of me, I know what that sense was and he knew it and your opinion has no bearing on the matter.
But, believe as you wish.
I've got to get back to work. I've got cats to photograph.
I might point out that when you read, you read things that are not there. For example, where did you read that I drove the "cat for miles"? This is Alaska - everytime you turn around you come to a different airstrip, even if they would not all be recognized as such down in the Lower 48. The airstrip where I kept the Running Dog (the wreckage now sits alongside my house) is just down the road from me - I would sometimes walk to get there.
As for my sense of the cat, and his of me, I know what that sense was and he knew it and your opinion has no bearing on the matter.
But, believe as you wish.
I've got to get back to work. I've got cats to photograph.
zape
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I don't think anyone here was commenting because the subject of this story happened to be a cat. I would have made the same comment event if Franks daugthers were tossing snails or rats around.
I do like cats, but please do not neglect my opinion by putting me into the "cat-lover PETA member" box.
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Sarajean
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a really sh*ty photo?
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fad
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The essays our kids have to write in school were invented by a Frenchman named Montaigne, who lived a generation before Shakespeare. He also invented the modern form of consciousness and tolerance that we are discussing in this thread. He observed his cat (and perhaps no other cat has been as intelligently observed) and was filled with humility:
""When I play with my cat, who knows whether she isn't amusing herself with me more than I am with her?"
“In nine lifetimes, you'll never know as much about your cat as your cat knows about you."
We don't have to make these observations. Montaigne made them for us and we just have to apply them. There is a mutual relationsihip between people and cats, and cats are far from passive participants.
Now as I understand, you set off to have your cat serve as a model. You chose a mode of transportation he did not like. You hoped he would sit where you put him. You live in Alaska, right? You did nothing to make the location warm?. He made clear to you that he did not like sitting there. You finally got the message. That's how relationships work. Unless you have the mesmeric eye that can make every creature bend to your powerful will, you had no choice. There was nothing moral about it. In fact, there is nothing moral about the world of cats. They just are.
To be fair, I think something important did happen to you, but you are using the wrong words. You saw your cat in a different way than before. And that is special. But unless you routinely tortured him in the past, it was not a question of moral growth. It is something much better. There is only one thing that can make us "see" others in such a different way is called love.
By the way, my daughter, who has subscribed to Cat Fancy for years looked at the picture and said: "The cat was probably ok with that." My wife, who rescued our cats from the street, performed an experiment. She dropped one from arm height. The cat ran away. Without the cat's cooperation, no repitition would be possible.
""When I play with my cat, who knows whether she isn't amusing herself with me more than I am with her?"
“In nine lifetimes, you'll never know as much about your cat as your cat knows about you."
We don't have to make these observations. Montaigne made them for us and we just have to apply them. There is a mutual relationsihip between people and cats, and cats are far from passive participants.
Now as I understand, you set off to have your cat serve as a model. You chose a mode of transportation he did not like. You hoped he would sit where you put him. You live in Alaska, right? You did nothing to make the location warm?. He made clear to you that he did not like sitting there. You finally got the message. That's how relationships work. Unless you have the mesmeric eye that can make every creature bend to your powerful will, you had no choice. There was nothing moral about it. In fact, there is nothing moral about the world of cats. They just are.
To be fair, I think something important did happen to you, but you are using the wrong words. You saw your cat in a different way than before. And that is special. But unless you routinely tortured him in the past, it was not a question of moral growth. It is something much better. There is only one thing that can make us "see" others in such a different way is called love.
By the way, my daughter, who has subscribed to Cat Fancy for years looked at the picture and said: "The cat was probably ok with that." My wife, who rescued our cats from the street, performed an experiment. She dropped one from arm height. The cat ran away. Without the cat's cooperation, no repitition would be possible.
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Jim Radcliffe
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I am not an over sensitive individual but I respect the animals which keep us company and provide us with comfort and affection.
I've been a cat owner for over 30 years and would never allow my children to throw our cats in the air for their own amusement. That's just totally irresponsible.
It's quite sad the animal was subjected to such treatment. It's sad your daughter would think of doing such a thing and sadder still that you allowed it and even posted the pocutre online.
As for your claims that this was no big deal to the cat as it did not bite, his or scratch as this happened to it... Of course the animal let you toss it in the air.. it trusts you... not sure why after seeing the picture.
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I've been a cat owner for over 30 years and would never allow my children to throw our cats in the air for their own amusement. That's just totally irresponsible.
It's quite sad the animal was subjected to such treatment. It's sad your daughter would think of doing such a thing and sadder still that you allowed it and even posted the pocutre online.
As for your claims that this was no big deal to the cat as it did not bite, his or scratch as this happened to it... Of course the animal let you toss it in the air.. it trusts you... not sure why after seeing the picture.
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Alansworld
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I detest cats with a wholehearted vengeance, but I'm very sad to see a parent encouraging this sort of behaviour towards any animal.
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Larry H. Smith
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C'mon fad.
You're not sorry.
You're happy to have a chance to lord over your fellow nannying, puritanical, busybody man.
I'm sorry, though,...that you feel inferior, and defensively attack those who you fear may be your superiors.
No one has suggested that cats are JUST(you mean only) "victims". The "respect shared creaturliness" you describe is the very point of the protestors posts/comments.
So where is your disagreement?
Reducing this tempest to a size more appropriate to the teapot, the essential proposition of the pro-respect crowd is this:
Deliberate treatment that is or may be harmful or (more likely in the present case) distressing to an animal should be discouraged as a form of "fun", ...and such discouragement may be appropriately given in the form of gentle instruction to those too young to have figured this out on their own.
Seems a harmless enough stand, no? Maybe even a reasonable one, given our "shared creaturliness" and all ;-)
It is interesting that this fairly mild-at-base bit of expressed opinion serves to red-flag you into charging, raspberry at full blast, into the midst of the puritanical busibodies,...you know, the ones without a shred of decency.
Nice of you, though, to concede a bit of progress being made by the "obtuse", "in-sensitive" one, ...it bears out your expressed ability to see "joy and love", ...while keeping a sharp eye(and tongue) on the "malicious", whom you imagine to be filled with hate. (Gotta watch that "beholder's eye" thing ;-)
I, too, see joy and love everywhere. That's why I forgive your condescending heaping of "shame" on those whom you erroneously describe as using consideration for cats/creatures only as a means for establishing their superiority over others.
Speaking again of superiority:
I freely admit to feeling superior, in this one sense, to anyone who dismisses any voiced concern for considerate treatment of other creatures as "fanaticism". If you must envision a fence between us, ...I am not confused about which side to stand on.
Neil,
Your cartoon-level reduction of all matters-of-concern to side-show sh* -stirring stunts & "baiting", ($10/complaint, negative cat posts,etc.), and your "chimps", "looneys", "cat-people", etc., characterization of all with a particular view of an issue,...firmly establishes you as a shallow surface feeder (I can think-up names, too ;-).
You may consider this the ideal position from which to look down on everyone else, but there is more to it.
Some of those swimming (and thinking) a little deeper, are having a grown-up discussion about philosophy, inter-creature relationships, youth instruction, etc.
Does this mean that they are therefore effete, over-serious sticks-in-the-mud?
No, it simply reflects the fact that adults occasionally spend a bit of time in serious discussion of things which may actually be of some importance.
Of course this fact-of-ordinary -life is easily lost on the kid who runs screaming through the library, for "fun".
Your labeling, name-calling, and dismissive reductionist attitude prompts me to permit my own a&&hole side to show. I offer this for your (probably non-)consideration:
In spite of you need-for/delight-in pigeon-holing, "cat people'"are quite often also "dog people", "horse people", "deer people", etc., ...even sometimes "people people (Ugh!" ;-). They are not neccesarily "pansies" when compared with yourself. You have no way of knowing, of course (given your colored-perception) but odds are very good that I am more macho and intelligent than yourself, and enjoy more than a bit of leg-pulling / horseplay as well. It is as such an (at LEAST) "equal" that I give you this carefully thought-out advice, in response to your post.
Shove it!
Larry ( Can't help it,...I am SOO up-tight! Or maybe it's the wet-pants that make me act this way.
krusadr
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It is not acceptable to throw any animal around, no matter what it is.
You should be teaching your kids respect and decency. Don't be suprised by what they do in later years after this kind of example.
People like you should be prevented from having kids let alone pets. Sorry but I find your attitude disgusting.
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You should be teaching your kids respect and decency. Don't be suprised by what they do in later years after this kind of example.
People like you should be prevented from having kids let alone pets. Sorry but I find your attitude disgusting.
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krusadr
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Exactly right brianz. There are some people who just never get it. If it doesn't hurt them they don't see the harm.
Teaching kids to be sensitive to the environment which includes other people and animals as well as the countryside etc. is the greatest challenge a parent faces. Frank fails it from the start.
See this video for more "harmless" animal throwing. It must be harmless because (insert reason here such as - they are going to die anyway).
http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/anderson-vid.asp
(The throwing is well into the video).
Frank I bet your kids will love this.
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'Silence! What is all this insolence? You will find yourself in gladiator school vewy quickly with wotten behaviour like that.'
Teaching kids to be sensitive to the environment which includes other people and animals as well as the countryside etc. is the greatest challenge a parent faces. Frank fails it from the start.
See this video for more "harmless" animal throwing. It must be harmless because (insert reason here such as - they are going to die anyway).
http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com/anderson-vid.asp
(The throwing is well into the video).
Frank I bet your kids will love this.
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Bobo Hodls
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Let's really get serious.
Who was tossed in the air as a child?
Who's tossed their infants while playing with them?
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You'll have to ignore the gallery's collection of bad compositions, improper exposures, and amateurish post processing.
Who was tossed in the air as a child?
Who's tossed their infants while playing with them?
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...Bob, NYC
http://www.pbase.com/btullis
You'll have to ignore the gallery's collection of bad compositions, improper exposures, and amateurish post processing.
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