tbcass
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You've got to be kidding. My comparison of the s9000 with the S3IS had the Fuji on top. At higher iso's it was no comparison.
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Anyone recommend the S9000?
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Provia_fan
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Sold out but quality nonetheless. Minolta were the ones that manufactured the Leicas R3,R4 and R5, and as a matter of fact you can have your camera fixed under warranty (which some bought with long extended warranties)from the seller themselves or Sony or JP in the UK.of course a man with his finger so firmly on the pulse will surely
be happy recommending that sooner than buy a brand new camera fully
supported by the manufacturer people should be purchasing obsolete
cameras from a maufacturer who has sold out
now there's common sense foir you
I hate to say it but Fuji's don't have the quality of the Minoltas.
And if a camera performs better even though it's old yeah I'll recommend it.
Your common sense is the one that is unbelievably twisted. Why would I want or any tog for that matter to go to the beach with the kids and whatever else you say on that post with a waterproof case??? I didn't side stepped that I just didn't see in what situation in your scenario I would need a waterproof case???!!! I am not in the ocean I am at the beach!!! You are only now mentioning going to the ocean.Your suggestions are getting more ludicrous by the hour
In my beach post I wasn't talking about splashproof or even
rainproof - I was talking "waterproof" but you kinda side stepped
that - my knowledge of camera technology hasn't passed me by and
neither has my understanding of other peoples posts - I suppose if
I wanted truly waterproof I could use my Reef 35mm camera but it's
nice to be able to take the 9500 into the sea (in it's waterproof
case) without worrying
There are options in fact to take DSLRs into the ocean from 39.99GBP there's an Aquapac and I could dive with it to 5m or for a few hundred quid I could get a housing.
Again, I think you need updating your gear knowledge and I bet you paid way more than 39.99 for your waterproof case too.
And I do enjoy my cameras. I only responded to this thread because this incomprehensible fear and "nazism" against DSLRs is disproportionate and I simply advised the poster accordingly.
There ain't no gospel you are the one who likes to get argumentative as a read through this thread shows and as a matter of fact, the Dimage is a way much better camera than the current Fujifilm crop and is quite long in the tooth which only comes to show. What saves Fujifilm right now, at least for me is their sensors and their design of which I am a fan.
That's rich coming from you, who just blindly follows. You are not a fan nor a supporter. You know, being a fan is about maintaining a symbiotic relationship with your product provider and if they are not delivering you have to say so because they sell their stuff to you.
Furthermore,your sarcasm power is limited
.Regards,
Provia_fan
andy_k
Active member
oh dear oh dear , without resorting to using my limited powers of sarcasm I'll do my best to reply to you.
I'll also not to try and make any silly assumptions or generalisations either - in fact I'll leave that to you as it seems to be your forte.
You were partly right, I didn't pay £39.99 for my waterproof housing - I paid considerably less - it actually cost about £4.99 and has been presuure tested down to 150 metres - not that I have any intention of going that low.
Now as to the rest of your post - it's ill informed garbage and supposition.
You have no idea of my (nor anybody elses) experienceof camera ownership yet you see fit to assume that you know best and can therefore speak down to everyone. It also seems that in your opinion your knowledge of all thigs photographic is unsurpassed, well I'm very glad that I don't have to rely on your opinion when buying a camera - whether or not you review cameras for a living and whether you like it or not we all have the right to disagree with your opinion.
All I've seen so far is a lot of hot air and nothing really constructive. It seems i am blindly following Fuji so perhaps it wopuld be almost rude of me to point out that once again you are talking garbage - the 9500 is my first fuji camera - i actually migrated from Nikon because their customer service is terrible and their cameras nowhere near as good as they used to be.
Despite what you seem to think (perhaps you have somne sort of persecution or inferiority complex) there's no Nazism against DSLRs, they are for the most part OK, whether or not they represent good value for money is another matter entirely and i think that too many people are brainwashed into thinking they are the only option if you want to take decent photos. They are still in their infancy and need to either improve or take a big drop in price befoe they are adopted by the masses
I'm old enough to remember the same sneering attitude towards 35mm cameras by the owners of medium format saying that you can't take good pictures with such small negatives, or how slide photographers laughed at negative film because it was much poorer ot how black and white photographers insulted the "snappers" who used colour film - not much has changed really has it? The price of the "entry ticket" may be lower but there's still that childish craving (mentioned in a previous post) to force everyone to believe that whatever you own is better than what someone else has bought.
Elitism ruins photography for the individual who wants a camera to take pictures.
you are welcome to your opinion and I hope that you continue to express it on the relevant forum, Discuss DSLRs on a DSLR forum, discuss your weird Minolta fetish on Minolta forums and discuss Fujifilm cameras here buit please bear in mind that we are all allowed to disagree with you without you insulting us or treating us like children.
Andy
I'll also not to try and make any silly assumptions or generalisations either - in fact I'll leave that to you as it seems to be your forte.
You were partly right, I didn't pay £39.99 for my waterproof housing - I paid considerably less - it actually cost about £4.99 and has been presuure tested down to 150 metres - not that I have any intention of going that low.
Now as to the rest of your post - it's ill informed garbage and supposition.
You have no idea of my (nor anybody elses) experienceof camera ownership yet you see fit to assume that you know best and can therefore speak down to everyone. It also seems that in your opinion your knowledge of all thigs photographic is unsurpassed, well I'm very glad that I don't have to rely on your opinion when buying a camera - whether or not you review cameras for a living and whether you like it or not we all have the right to disagree with your opinion.
All I've seen so far is a lot of hot air and nothing really constructive. It seems i am blindly following Fuji so perhaps it wopuld be almost rude of me to point out that once again you are talking garbage - the 9500 is my first fuji camera - i actually migrated from Nikon because their customer service is terrible and their cameras nowhere near as good as they used to be.
Despite what you seem to think (perhaps you have somne sort of persecution or inferiority complex) there's no Nazism against DSLRs, they are for the most part OK, whether or not they represent good value for money is another matter entirely and i think that too many people are brainwashed into thinking they are the only option if you want to take decent photos. They are still in their infancy and need to either improve or take a big drop in price befoe they are adopted by the masses
I'm old enough to remember the same sneering attitude towards 35mm cameras by the owners of medium format saying that you can't take good pictures with such small negatives, or how slide photographers laughed at negative film because it was much poorer ot how black and white photographers insulted the "snappers" who used colour film - not much has changed really has it? The price of the "entry ticket" may be lower but there's still that childish craving (mentioned in a previous post) to force everyone to believe that whatever you own is better than what someone else has bought.
Elitism ruins photography for the individual who wants a camera to take pictures.
you are welcome to your opinion and I hope that you continue to express it on the relevant forum, Discuss DSLRs on a DSLR forum, discuss your weird Minolta fetish on Minolta forums and discuss Fujifilm cameras here buit please bear in mind that we are all allowed to disagree with you without you insulting us or treating us like children.
Andy
Kim Letkeman
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In the US, the S9000 is $559 at Adorama and includes a $100 rebate. So you can get it for $459.
The D50, on the other hand, is $549 for the body. A Sigma 18-200 lense with approximately the same range as the S9000 adds about #379.
So we're talking double the price. This is not quite the cheapest dSLR out there, but close enough. So is this a fair comparison? Sure it is. Because if one wants to spend a bit more money, then one can get similar portability with a far higher level of performance in every single area, unless of course movies are your thing.
If one is squeezed such that they must get a camera in the sub-$500 price bracket, then there is no contest. The S9000 is the clear winner, because there are no dSLRs in that price bracket.
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Kim Letkeman
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Sorry Andy, but provia_fan is dead right across the board.of course a man with his finger so firmly on the pulse will surely
be happy recommending that sooner than buy a brand new camera fully
supported by the manufacturer people should be purchasing obsolete
cameras from a maufacturer who has sold out
now there's common sense foir you
Your suggestions are getting more ludicrous by the hour
You are choosing to quote myths and urban legends to back up your slagging of dSLRs. He has patiently tried to get you to understand that the world has changed.
Enjoy this:
http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/the_death_of_the_bridge_camera/
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Kim Letkeman
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The difference is slight enough that I consider it irrelevant. I shot 5000+ in RAW on my D70s and finally decided to try jpeg to see hoe the other half lives. I'm not tempted to go back after thousands of jpeg shots now.
Once downsized of printed, I see essentially no difference. I do agree, however, that at higher ISO you would see better sharpness as the NR engine is not at play.
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Provia_fan
Senior Member
I'm sorry but that is a blatant lie. No 4.99 housing can go 150 meters safely. Not only because it would leak like Niagara Falls, but operating the buttons would be difficult as they would get stuck. The other reason is that it's a lie there is no material for 4.99 that can stand 150m or 5m for that matter or 1m even, with a camera inside.That is likely a plastic bag, not a housing for sure, and if not it was either well used or a donation from someone.
No, you have done that. Just read through again. You just don't like to be bitten back. Unfortunately, when you attack you must expect the same back. I may not have an idea about others experiences,but from your postings I have a very clear idea of yours.
Well I surely don't live on fantasies like you do or otherwise I would be out of a job right now. Saying what you have been saying on the previous posts you surely need updating. I can see you rely on your own opinion just by the posts you wrote. And your opinion is very ill informed.
Also in the same way I have the right to disagree with yours also because as it is blatantly not based in facts just mere fantasies.
Well, you just proved me right then. It is your first Fuji camera, so obviously you would be impressed. But if you knew Fuji from before you would expect more from it.
Also, you can't really accuse Nikon for having cameras that are "not as good as before" as they are currently industry standard alongside Canon, you don't see any photojournalist using anything else these days. And this quality also extrapolates to their compacts. All their cameras are acclaimed and have excellent reviews by both reviewers and users. There haven't been long standing problems with them.
I just find Fuji's have the image edge, but currently they have been left trailing on features.
Provia_fan
Senior Member
LOL!! Now that proves the above assertion on your fantasies. The only thing in it's infancy (and even that is not that true anymore) are the sensors. Compacts are the ones that need much improvement to be the alternative Fujifilm so much advertises. Shutter lag, slower focussing, slower AF are all things related to the compact not the DSLR. Again, you are out of touch with the market trends, people are now buying more DSLRs than ever because now they are at the reach of everybody. High end compacts are now levelled in price with a entry level DSLR system.
They are being adopted by the masses, you seem to be the only one that doesn't see it, just because YOU made the choice of buying a compact.
Well I am old enough to never have seen any photographers saying that kind of thing, because most know that they can't lug around their medium format system so they take their 35mm system and slide photographers know that negative has greater latitude and than slide, and you know why? Because they know the facts!! They know that Medium format is superior to 35mm but 35mm SLR is more practical but at the same time don't say that it is better than Medium Format. They know the reality.
Reality right now in digital photography states that bigger sensors produce better images and SLRs are better performers and that is a fact that we have to accept.
I own compacts too and more often than not I have one with me, but I don't go on saying it is so much better than my SLR system because it is not. In fact ,if anything the compact just bridged my passage to a DSLR.
Ok you are now entering the sort of game that I don't engage in, which is you start being demeaning and then blame others when you ar*e is on fire.Furthermore, the camera we are discussing according to Fuji is an alternative to a DSLR, so if you have a problem go to them. They are the ones who want to blur the line.
So either you like it or not, this is the relevant forum and if there is one that I am possibly treating like a kid is you, don't involve others in the sh!t you created. As far as now, you were the only one with whom I had this kind of interaction, so the problem is not really from my part.
You are the one being insulting too, so stop blaming it on others and see
a psychologist, take a Valium or maybe a Prozac as you are very depressing as a person to interact.
Regards,
Provia_fan
Provia_fan
Senior Member
Nikon I think, really nailed it with their in camera processing algos.
Regards,
Provia_fan
tbcass
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Actually PV those types of discussions did go on apparently before your time, esp. the slide vs film debates. I always prefered slide film because it's superior color rendition and finer grain usually trumped negative film's greater dynamin range.
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andy_k
Active member
once again Provia you tell us that for the same money as a Fuji 9500 you can buy an entry level DSLKR system yet have failed to offer ONE that matches price and useability.
Let me give you a slightly different analogy, someone asks you about buying a car. They want a Ford or similar and ask you for advice then you stand and argue with them saying the only thing that is any good is a Mercedes which costs twice as much - sure it's better but it's not what they wanted and it wasn't what they asked in the first place and no matter how much you stand there shouting and rubbishing their choice you will probably never convince them that you are right
Then you had the cheek to call me a liar in a previous post - do you know me? How can you prove that I was lying - in fact I wasn't as the waterproof case in mind was developed in conjunction with a friend of mine who is a commercial diver - my background in engineering (with a fully equipped workshop at the back of my house) means that for very little money prototypes and "one offs" are relatively easy to produce - the £4.99 was for a piece of clear plastic, a second hand UV filter, a strip of rubber and two pices of brass to form the closure mechanism. Once again, it seems that the only person allowed any knowledge on here is you and if anyone dares to disagree then you start hurling insults.
It also seems that Tom will be next on your list as he too has dared to contradict.
I stopped using Nikon cameras because like several others we noticed that the cameras performance degrades over time - my coolpix 8700 had 2 new sensors fitted before I abandoned it - the last sensor developed 8 "stuck pixels" inside the first month but of course, you as the font of all knowledge will probably tell me that this didn't happen and that once again I am wrong and that Nikon simply refused to fix it any further and offered me a refund (well after the threat of legal action). I could mention the previous coolpix 4500 where the optical zoom just packed up and after they had 4 attempts to not fix it properly and a lot of arguing with nikon UK I got a refund or the 995 I still have because it's performance is now so poor I'd feel guilty selling it to anyone but of course - you'll probably tell me that non of this is true as your Nikon is perfect.
To say that DSLRs are in their infancy was probably open to misinterpretation (as so much is when you read it) but they are, they've not been around for that long and as more and more electronics are crammed into them they will develop further and as with all things the price will drop further - maybe then, they will represent good value in everybody's eyes.
I agree with you (and have done all along) that you will get better performance out of a more expensive camera - that's hardly rocket science is it but what you seem to be deliberately ignoring is that not everyone looks at things in the same way as you do and that everyone else is entitled to an opinion.
Now, tell me which car I should drive
Andy
Let me give you a slightly different analogy, someone asks you about buying a car. They want a Ford or similar and ask you for advice then you stand and argue with them saying the only thing that is any good is a Mercedes which costs twice as much - sure it's better but it's not what they wanted and it wasn't what they asked in the first place and no matter how much you stand there shouting and rubbishing their choice you will probably never convince them that you are right
Then you had the cheek to call me a liar in a previous post - do you know me? How can you prove that I was lying - in fact I wasn't as the waterproof case in mind was developed in conjunction with a friend of mine who is a commercial diver - my background in engineering (with a fully equipped workshop at the back of my house) means that for very little money prototypes and "one offs" are relatively easy to produce
- the £4.99 was for a piece of clear plastic, a second hand UV filter, a strip of rubber and two pices of brass to form the closure mechanism. Once again, it seems that the only person allowed any knowledge on here is you and if anyone dares to disagree then you start hurling insults.It also seems that Tom will be next on your list as he too has dared to contradict.
I stopped using Nikon cameras because like several others we noticed that the cameras performance degrades over time - my coolpix 8700 had 2 new sensors fitted before I abandoned it - the last sensor developed 8 "stuck pixels" inside the first month but of course, you as the font of all knowledge will probably tell me that this didn't happen and that once again I am wrong and that Nikon simply refused to fix it any further and offered me a refund (well after the threat of legal action
). I could mention the previous coolpix 4500 where the optical zoom just packed up and after they had 4 attempts to not fix it properly and a lot of arguing with nikon UK I got a refund or the 995 I still have because it's performance is now so poor I'd feel guilty selling it to anyone but of course - you'll probably tell me that non of this is true as your Nikon is perfect.To say that DSLRs are in their infancy was probably open to misinterpretation (as so much is when you read it) but they are, they've not been around for that long and as more and more electronics are crammed into them they will develop further and as with all things the price will drop further - maybe then, they will represent good value in everybody's eyes.
I agree with you (and have done all along) that you will get better performance out of a more expensive camera - that's hardly rocket science is it but what you seem to be deliberately ignoring is that not everyone looks at things in the same way as you do and that everyone else is entitled to an opinion.
Now, tell me which car I should drive
Andy
michael1973
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I got both the G6 and the S9500. If you don't do any PP on the S9500 pics, the ones taken with the G6 look better (low ISO comparison), but I am really amazed about the very good print quality of the S9500 pics. If you know how to handle the cam, it is excellent (for a compact camera)...
Kim Letkeman
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Why are you posting photos that other people took? That is a very personal photo and frankly, if that were my child that you were using as the poster child for bad photography I would be asking to have you banned right now!
This is one of the most twisted things you have ever done. If you want to see what a Nikon D70s can do at high ISO, you need only look in my gallery. Like this shot:
Note how the detail remains essentially identical.
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Kim Letkeman
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Of course it is. It all depends on what you try to do with it. The best dSLR can take photos simply unobtainable with any other camera, including my Nikon D70s. Fixed lense cameras aren't even a consideration in some circumstances.Smoke and anihilate, that's a bit of an overstatement, at least as
I would define those words.
much better than a $150 P&S.
But for the majority of mom and pop snapshots, today's $150 p&s take superb photos and any dSLR is going to be overkill.
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That photos is posted on the Nikon forum, do you mean posting them again on this forum needs permission? I don't see that as others have done that many times, including modifications...
Well, if all it takes is to be banned go ahead. As I have already said, I bring my point up to this thread with dissicussion in mind, not meant to be offensive like others, who themself deserve to be banned IMO.
Essentially, you have lost me as what your reply is about.This is one of the most twisted things you have ever done. If you
want to see what a Nikon D70s can do at high ISO, you need only
look in my gallery. Like this shot:
Note how the detail remains essentially identical.
This is a thread as for s9000 worth recommendation, not a knowledge competition with regarding other DSLRs' superiority in high ISOs. DSLR owner should really write twice and give your yes or no. Not just demostrate photos from other cameras. What's the use without a comparison shot?
My photo is the only one gives the creditibilty of the s9000 as what it can do (giving my word - not fully recommended), I even leave my very private photos that never posted to be seen here comparing to that reference photos, check the author posted many other shots of the same child to the public. If you were a really kind person, consider two fathers here, not just one. What exactly the most twisted comparison it is? It is not as bad mouthing the d50 or d70, it is an emphperise that photography with s9000 isn't as what other dSLR owner have said - smoke and annihilated? It is very obvious who is being fair.
To me, use high ISO performance to not recommend s9000 is the worst thing happened to a possible buyer, and as I have demostrated, many times d50 owners can't use that camera yet still proud with their results. That 's a symptom coming from newbees all the times, as they are sure very convinced to purchase a DSLR is the answer to great photos.
I hope you don't get too serious in reacting to provia's attack. It is obvious that he is very offensive in choosing words that totally discredit his postings. I believe Tom got over it and even apopogied to him. Not me - not even a chance I'd take it that serious over other's money. Happy postings!
Kim Letkeman
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I mean that it is a sleazy thing to take someone's family photo, one that was taken at an emotional moment of a young baby of which the parents are no doubt veyr proud and protective, and then using is as a sleazy trick to try to confuse others before revealing that it was from a dSLR.
Don't really care what you think about peoples' arguing styles. I am concerned only by what you did here. Sleazy hardly captures how I feel about it.
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Now that's woth clarification - why didn't anyone question the thread owner of who he/she is, is he/she the majority of mom and dad? Or is he experienced photographers?
Stop calling other's name...
Kim Letkeman
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Doesn't matter ... I was clarifying that inexpensive cameras are more than sufficient for the typical snap shooter. And they are completely insufficient for the typical enthusiast. Full stop.
No idea what you are on about here.
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