August: the Canon vs Nikon war will heat up

http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/26/nikon-d80-pics-revealed/

But really, who cares? How many Canon people are going to switch to Nikon because they are going to offer a 10.2 mp body?

Anyone?

I have thousands of dollars in Canon glass. To sell it at a loss, and then buy it at retail prices from Nikon would be pointless.

I've not jumped to the 5D, I think I'd prefer to see a few more improvements first.

If you've been a member of this forum, then you've seen the number of Nikon users who have jumped ship for Canon. It's a relatively small number, but it's an even smaller number going from Canon to Nikon... and I doubt it will change, and certainly NOT because Nikon is releasing a 10.2 mp body.

Good luck.

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The thing I've always loved about Nikon is their ergonomics. Their cameras look less cluttered, and the lines look amazing.

The best thing Canon could do at this point, is spend some R&D money and greatly improvise their ergonomics. If Canon cameras had those lines, then I'm sure Nikon would be less tempting to some.

I also have quite a bit invested in Canon glass, so I don't plan on switching. Come on Canon..improve the ergonomics and make your cameras as nice looking as the Nikons.

hockeynut said:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/26/nikon-d80-pics-revealed/

But really, who cares? How many Canon people are going to switch
to Nikon because they are going to offer a 10.2 mp body?

Anyone?

I have thousands of dollars in Canon glass. To sell it at a loss,
and then buy it at retail prices from Nikon would be pointless.
I've not jumped to the 5D, I think I'd prefer to see a few more
improvements first.

If you've been a member of this forum, then you've seen the number
of Nikon users who have jumped ship for Canon. It's a relatively
small number, but it's an even smaller number going from Canon to
Nikon... and I doubt it will change, and certainly NOT because
Nikon is releasing a 10.2 mp body.

Good luck.

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scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter
is already settled.

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The marketing head for Canon was interviewed on Bloomberg in asia today.

He said that the biggest competitors that they need to look out for in DSLR is Sony and Panasonic.

However, he was confident that Canon had them covered.

Najib said:

Canon has historically announced new DSLR's every August for the
past couple of years, so we can expect them to answer to Nikon.

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I remember having to write an essay in high school once to discuss the statement "Because the sun has always risen in the morning before, we can expect it to continue rising every morning."

Perhaps in the next few years, every time a new camera body is announced, it will represent incrementally smaller improvements over previous models. Maybe the length of time between announcements of new bodies will lengthen? Just because Canon have operated on an 18 month cycle in the recent past doesn't mean that they will continue to do so.

Perhaps the dslr market is actually beginning to mature?

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Najib said:

Come on Canon..improve the ergonomics and make your
cameras as nice looking as the Nikons.

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I handled Nikon DSLRs several times and never got used to their complex layout.

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Lemming51 said:

Entry level is where the war wil be fought and won.

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As YY posted Canon said the heat was Sony & Panasonic. I'm suprised he did not add Samsung(Pentax). Grabbing the entry level users is where the war will be fought IMNHO. I think either a less expensive entry level model and/or a big 350D price drop $499.

I think both Canon and Nikon have to answer the monster consumer competition Sony/Panasonic/Samsung not so much each other.

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You personally might think 1.3 a bad idea, but Cqanon foesn't.

And where you get these 'statements' from Canon about dropping 1.3 is difficult to imagine.
If you want to make those staements, please make sure you source4 them.
Here is what Canon actually said most recently:

http://news.com.com/Digital+SLRs+bring+lens+quandary+-+page+2/2100-1041_3-6068289-2.html?tag=st.num

'We'd like to continue to use that size as well' doesn't sound to me much like a declaration of intent to drop it to me.

Since they are the guys making it, it seems to me that their wish is likely to become reality - and if the 1 series is to be combined as they have said there is an obvious place in their line-up for a sub-1 series sports camera.

These urban myths like the demise of the 1.3 are amazing - no matter how many times people are pointed to Canon's actual statements, they seem to keep reverting to their suppositions!

Slayer9292 said:

Agree. I don't think there will be another 1.3 crop camera. In
fact I think the next camera from canon will most likely combine
the 1Ds and 1D series. 8fps full frame camera.

I remember reading a statement from canon awhile back that they one
day planned to merge the two cameras and drop the 1.3 crop
sensor...once technology was there.

Also 1Ds Mk2 is now 2 years old, it's probably time for a replacement.

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If you prefer the ergonomics, fine - but Nikon's are hardly less cluttered.

Najib said:

The best thing Canon could do at this point, is spend some R&D
money and greatly improvise their ergonomics. If Canon cameras had
those lines, then I'm sure Nikon would be less tempting to some.

I also have quite a bit invested in Canon glass, so I don't plan on
switching. Come on Canon..improve the ergonomics and make your
cameras as nice looking as the Nikons.

hockeynut said:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/26/nikon-d80-pics-revealed/

But really, who cares? How many Canon people are going to switch
to Nikon because they are going to offer a 10.2 mp body?

Anyone?

I have thousands of dollars in Canon glass. To sell it at a loss,
and then buy it at retail prices from Nikon would be pointless.
I've not jumped to the 5D, I think I'd prefer to see a few more
improvements first.

If you've been a member of this forum, then you've seen the number
of Nikon users who have jumped ship for Canon. It's a relatively
small number, but it's an even smaller number going from Canon to
Nikon... and I doubt it will change, and certainly NOT because
Nikon is releasing a 10.2 mp body.

Good luck.

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scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter
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swardo said:

who needs EF-S when you have a 1.3 sensor anyways?

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The better question is, who needs UWA? If you do, you wouldn't want 1.3x... but the inside info for the past year indicates no 1.3x sensors forthcoming, so don't hold your breath on this mythical camera (as people have been since before the 20D).

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David Martin said:

These urban myths like the demise of the 1.3 are amazing - no
matter how many times people are pointed to Canon's actual
statements, they seem to keep reverting to their suppositions!

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As opposed to the urban myths about the release of a new line of 1.3x crop cameras? Until a new 1.3x model is actually released, the semi-annual hopes and wishes are simply that. There are some significant tradeoffs in buying a 1.3x camera, especially when there are no lenses specific to the format - but why restate the obvious since this horse has been beaten to death (every 6months in fact). "Having [email protected] means doing 8.5fps" serves well for a sports / event camera in 2004/2005/2006, but we have been told that Canon will eventually merge the 1D series.

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or something to rival nikons 18-200VR

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There will not be abody in between 5D and 30D. There is no space.

Logic shows us in september we will get the new 1DsIII.

And announced in august we will get 2 new rebels. And updated XT with bigger LCD and some more gimmicks to bring it to todays standards. And a very cheap rebel (lacking some features of the XT) probably with SD for the entry market.

And then a couple of new lenses. And if they are really clever a update of the 18-55 with IS. But I think they'll just drop pricing for the 17-85 when in kit.

And if there would be a new type of DSLR coming it will finally be the 3D but how that one will be I have no idea.

Of course in the end I know nothing about it but my suggestions make alot more sense than yours.

There will be three Canon new DSLRs announced in August and at least 5 P&S
s.
1) There will be a $1499 DSLR to fill the gap between 30D and 5D
2) The obvious XT replacement.
3) The professional series N's
3) Pro1, A620 replacements and 3 more A, SD models

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I left Nikon for Canon. I like Nikons ergonomics and style better than Canons, but until Nikon can Compete with Canon in the High ISO arena, Canon will continue to dominate.

Regardless of what Nikon releases in 15 days, it will have the D200's noisey sensor, and in my opinion be worthless to me.

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No, Canon has always produced incremental improvements to their products because they update their products so often. The D60, 10D, 20D, 30D, etc. have ALL been considered "no real new stuff" by someone. But you also have to remember that Canon replaces these models every 18 months!!! That's a much shorter interval than the rest of the industry. So what you get are smaller improvements but in much shorter intervals. Other companies might bring "bigger" improvements, but they also do it in much larger intervals between these improvements. For example, the D70 is already well over two years old, and even when it was NEW, it was using a sensor inhereted from a DSLR that was introduced two years earlier (the D100, introduced in February 2002). So at this point, the D70 is basically using a sensor that is more than 48 months pld, and it's only a 6mp sensor. When Canon decides to use their 8mp sensor for longer than 18 months, people cry bloody murder, LOL. And it's funny how, even with 18 month replacement cycles, Canon gets accused of being too lazy to introduce a "better new toy", while other companies what 36 to 48 months to replace their models, and yet they get no such criticism.

Canon has long been its own competition and provided its own pressure to do better. Was any of the competition pushing Canon to produce a FF 13mp DSLR for under $3300? First of all, there are no other FF digital bodies on the market, and the 5D is by far the cheapest 13mp DSLR on the market.

Jun2 said:

Canon is trying to milk more and more money by doing less. The
only thing that will make Canon doing something significantly
better is that the sale of 30D and 5D starts to drop. If you guys
are happily buying 30D and 5D, Canon have little insentive to
introduce better new toy. The introduction of 30D is more like a
format than real new stuff. Spot meter should be in 20D anyway.
Although I am a Canon user, I am not persuading other users to buy
30D instead of D200 or A100. I think Canon need some pressure of
other camera makers.

I hope Fuji can get its act together. If Fuji can translate its
F30 technology in DSLR, we will see a 12M 1.5X sensor has lower
noise than 5D.

Jun

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If I where Canon I'd try something a little different, a bit more innovative...

How about this for a camera spec -

3D (for example)
1 series focusing
environmental sealing
optional battery grip (but sealed when attached)
dual CF slots

BUT offered in two formats -

10Mp 1.6 (new sensor) ~ current 5D pricing 10 FPS
13Mp FF (5D sensor) ~ current 1Dn pricing 5 FPS

Other than that, identical bodies - sharing battery grip. What a great two camera setup that would be!

This would leave room for 22Mp 1 series uber camera, and wouldn't affect 5D sales too much. Would also promote EF-S to Pro status, with possible L designations.

It would also be fairly cheap to offer two sensor options - and be very interesting to see which sells most!

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when you average it all out, for the non-pro bodies,it takes Canon an average of 18 months to increase density by 1mP and Nikon only 12 months.

Among the dumbest posts I've seen in two years.

Companies develop new products. That's what they do.
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looks less boxy than the D70 and with smooth lines looks more like the 30D.

hockeynut said:

http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/26/nikon-d80-pics-revealed/

But really, who cares? How many Canon people are going to switch
to Nikon because they are going to offer a 10.2 mp body?

Anyone?

I have thousands of dollars in Canon glass. To sell it at a loss,
and then buy it at retail prices from Nikon would be pointless.
I've not jumped to the 5D, I think I'd prefer to see a few more
improvements first.

If you've been a member of this forum, then you've seen the number
of Nikon users who have jumped ship for Canon. It's a relatively
small number, but it's an even smaller number going from Canon to
Nikon... and I doubt it will change, and certainly NOT because
Nikon is releasing a 10.2 mp body.

Good luck.

--
Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of
scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter
is already settled.

• Michael Crichton

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