I have been trying to get engineering to get me some raw data on this subject but I have not gotten anything yet. The only thing I can tell you is that the panel in the 2180/2190 is used in gray scale medical monitors which have to have some of the finest detail out there.
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NEC Spectraview LCDs (TravBomb ?)
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sting
Veteran Member
After calibration with the EyeOne Display2, most video files seemed overblown with Windows Media Player. The calibration procedure called for jacked up the brightness and contrast to 100%, which are much higher in value than the settings when I use the LCD menu. I just redid the calibration with the 100% contrast and brightness and am happier with the results this time around. This 1880sx is on a totally different system, and Windows Media Player software has also changed.What were your issues with the 1880SX??
I am still seeing tons of what appears to be color dithering. Are there some test images that will help reveal this ?
Thank you for all of your technical expertise, TravBomb.
Nill Toulme
Veteran Member
As I recall, jacking up brightness and contrast was only Step 1. You'd then back off from there to meet your target black and white points. If you left them both on 100% then it's not surprising that you got unacceptable results.
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sting
Veteran Member
Is the 1880SX a 6-bits/color channel device ?BTW - 24 bit device = 6 bit panel. If the number seems high it
probably needs to be divided by 4. This has to do with the color
channels.
The NEC SPectraview brochure for 1990/2090/2190 boasts
16.7 million colors (24-bit) out of 68.5 billion (36-bit).
While working at Silicon Graphics in the 90's, I remember that the top notch graphics computers needed 30-bit color to avoid visible color banding.
sting
Veteran Member
Thanks. This would be fully appreciated by all. There is WAY too much confusion in the selection of higher end LCDs. Reviewer comparisons of the various models are all over the place. (Viewsonic is the best. Lacie321 is the best. Da da da.)I have been trying to get engineering to get me some raw data on
this subject but I have not gotten anything yet. The only thing I
can tell you is that the panel in the 2180/2190 is used in gray
scale medical monitors which have to have some of the finest detail
out there.
I have not been able to find a comparison of the 2090 to the 2190. A thorough Spectraview series comparison would be totally appreciated. Tom's hardware has reviews for the Lacie321 (2180?) and 1980Fxi and 2180UX, but not the latest Spectraview 1990, 2090, 2190.
It's hard to judge my needs from those in medical monitoring. I see them selling for $3000-6000+. The pricier models are for 21" displays with 2048 x 1536 for greyscale. The less-pricy models list 1024 levels (10-bit) grey scale. Are these LCDdisplays hand-picked from the production run ?
Is the "professional" 2190 I receive have no chance of being the best of the run ?
Dave Wolfs
Leading Member
Some questions people are asking but for some reason nobody is answering.
1. Is the spectraview software free, or must it be purchased with the Monitor.
2. Can the Spectraview Software software be used with any eye one style device?
3. Can the LUT of the monitor be accessed by third party calibrators i.e. Macbeth Eye II with their software?
4. Are there any advantages in using the spectraview software over the nec?
1. Is the spectraview software free, or must it be purchased with the Monitor.
2. Can the Spectraview Software software be used with any eye one style device?
3. Can the LUT of the monitor be accessed by third party calibrators i.e. Macbeth Eye II with their software?
4. Are there any advantages in using the spectraview software over the nec?
sting
Veteran Member
My CRT calibration found the ideal points were definitely not at 100% levels for brightness and contrast. The LCD calibration was different as the final levels for my recent 1880SX calibration were 100% brightness and contrast.As I recall, jacking up brightness and contrast was only Step 1.
You'd then back off from there to meet your target black and white
points. If you left them both on 100% then it's not surprising
that you got unacceptable results.
I am a beginner calibrator, so I really don't know what my target black and white points should be. Are they different than those recommended calibration procedure? Oh yeah, my Contrast was actually 60% while the Brightness was 100%. The EyeOne Match software didn't allow me to set a black point directly, perhaps because even in Advanced mode, the NEC 1880SX only supports RGB presets.
Also, the EyeOne Display software is kinda of a pain in that you have to remember to place the calibrator to the side of the LCD monitor menu.
sting
Veteran Member
Yes, thanks for your concise presentation ?Some questions people are asking but for some reason nobody is
answering.
I'm not sure about this question .4. Are there any advantages in using the spectraview software over
the nec?
AK_2
Veteran Member
Can europeans download the usa software ??
Is it physically possible to download it ???
Would it techinically work with euro sourced version ???
Wold legalities of license permit it ???
Appreciate any guidance you can give.
Regards,
Kev
Is it physically possible to download it ???
Would it techinically work with euro sourced version ???
Wold legalities of license permit it ???
Appreciate any guidance you can give.
Regards,
Kev
Ok I have officially confused myself with my previous statement. I will dig more into that once the engineer for the 90 series is back in the office.
In regards to the "displaying of 16.7 million colors out of a palette of 69 billion", this basically is saying that the 12 bit panel has access to 69 billion color and will choose the best 16.7 million to display the image. It only displays 16.7 million colors b/c Operating Systems like windows are only capable of 8 bit or 16.7 milliion colors.
In regards to the "displaying of 16.7 million colors out of a palette of 69 billion", this basically is saying that the 12 bit panel has access to 69 billion color and will choose the best 16.7 million to display the image. It only displays 16.7 million colors b/c Operating Systems like windows are only capable of 8 bit or 16.7 milliion colors.
No it is not free. You can buy it with the monitor or seperatly online at nm-select.comSome questions people are asking but for some reason nobody is
answering.
1. Is the spectraview software free, or must it be purchased with
the Monitor.
Yes, it is packaged with the Graetag Mcbeth Eyeone if you buy the software with the monitor.2. Can the Spectraview Software software be used with any eye one
style device?
As far as i have been informed you can not callibrate the internal LUT without the SV software.3. Can the LUT of the monitor be accessed by third party
calibrators i.e. Macbeth Eye II with their software?
The spectraview software is the nec software. Spectraview is written by an employee here at NEC.4. Are there any advantages in using the spectraview software over
the nec?
wacomme
Forum Enthusiast
Yes, it is packaged with the Graetag Mcbeth Eyeone if you buy the software with the monitor.2. Can the Spectraview Software software be used with any eye one
style device?
I don't see this. When looking at resellers of the MultiSync LCD2190UXi-BK-SV in the USA, I see that the software is included, but not the calibration hardware. Does the Monaco Optix hardware (puck) work with the spectraview software, or must I buy the Eye-one Display 2 for $250 on top of the monitor/software cost?
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Michael
The Monaco Optix hardware will work with the Sepctaview software.Yes, it is packaged with the Graetag Mcbeth Eyeone if you buy the2. Can the Spectraview Software software be used with any eye one
style device?
software with the monitor.
I don't see this. When looking at resellers of the MultiSync
LCD2190UXi-BK-SV in the USA, I see that the software is included,
but not the calibration hardware. Does the Monaco Optix hardware
(puck) work with the spectraview software, or must I buy the
Eye-one Display 2 for $250 on top of the monitor/software cost?
The 2190UXi-BK-SV has teh Graetag Eyeone packaged with it. When we package the unit in our warehouse it has the monitor, software, and colorimeter.
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Michael
sting
Veteran Member
Michael, where do you see this package offered ? I Googled for that model, but I only get a few sources. The 2190 by itself is easy to find.I don't see this. When looking at resellers of the MultiSync
LCD2190UXi-BK-SV in the USA, I see that the software is included,
but not the calibration hardware.
Though, I am going for the 2090 .
Does anyone know of a reliable and price competitive store outside of California ? My best candidate so far is BH Photo, but they don't stock the 2090 and order it on demand.
sting
Veteran Member
Thanks for the link, TravBomb. I would like to buy the software only, as I already have an EyeOne Display2 calibrator.No it is not free. You can buy it with the monitor or seperatly
online at nm-select.com
I could only find Spectraview hardware + software for $399 USA:
http://www.nm-select.com/searchresults.asp?search_id=12&dept_id=50
I am almost there. Right now, I am being held back by the Spectraview software issue.
Thanks,
Gints
wacomme
Forum Enthusiast
I'm currently seeking the best price too. While I haven't made up my mind regarding the 2090 or 2190 (depends what price I can find). I'll probably buy the SV version of either model. This way I'll get the monitor, software, and puck. Since my Monaco Optix puck works with the NEC software, I'll either sell the Monaco puck or One-eye puck on eBay to help offset the cost. It seems that the whole package is cheaper than the individual parts.
Question: Does the NEC software work with monitors other than NEC models?
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Michael
Question: Does the NEC software work with monitors other than NEC models?
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Michael
Chances are it won't access other monitors' internal LUTs because of the propriatary nature of NEC's DDC/CI.Question: Does the NEC software work with monitors other than NEC
models?
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Serge Cashman
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