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NEC Spectraview LCDs (TravBomb ?)

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sting said:
Thanks. I haven't seen any video cards with DDC connectors, so how
can I tell if they do this ? I have two video cards purchased this
year based on nVidia GeForce6200. Is the DDC on the analog CRT
connector as well as on the DVI connector ? Then, it would be up
to the monitor, I guess.
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Hi

DCC is an internal firmware feature and does not have a different connector. I think it is DVI only, you have to check the specs of the card to see if you have it.

You dont have to worry about separate RGB controls with these new LCDs. The sRGB setting (6500) is always close enough for the software to create a perfect profile. The GMB Match 3 software will show a chart of the corrections it made at the end - it will never show that much adjustment was neccessary.

Brian
 
I'm experimenting with the Spectraview II software to check if it works with my GreTag Macbeth Eye One Display2 calibrator. I downloaded and installed the Spectraview II software from the NEC site. The manual says that it supports the Eye One DIsplay2 calibrator, and I'm testing it on my NEC 1880SX LCD and Lacie ElectronBlue4 CRT monitors. The problem is that the software is uanble to find my calibrator even though I have no trouble running my EyeOne Match software. The software starts up, searches for a calibrator, throws up a message box that it can't find the calibrator, then exits when I dismiss the dialog box.

If I buy an NEC 2090, will I have to purchase the Spectraview software or do some sort of registration ? This test doesn't give me much confidence in the software. I scanned through the Spectraview manual, but didn't find anything obvious to help.

Thanks !
 
The Eyeone is what NEC packages with its Spectraview Software. The problem you may be having with using the new specrtaview with your 1880SX and the Eyeone is that the current software was written specifically for the 90 series 12 bit LUT.

From what I understand the only way to access the Internal LUT is wiht the Spectraview software.

The 2090/2190 will blow the 1880SX out of the water. There have been tons of improvements since that monitor came out some years ago.

Are you in North America or Europe Sting??? This will make a big difference in regards to the Spectraview. BrianUK keeps pointing out issues with the Spectraview but these are only truly issues if you are in Europe. Please let me know. THanks
 
You can callibrate the 2190 with whatever software you want but you can only callibrate the internal 12 bit LUT with the Sectraview software. This is the only way to access the firmware.

Yes you can buy this seperate and use the EyeOne you already have. It will be exactly the same as the bundled software.
 
Just out of curiosity, which is better for photo editing, the Multisync 2180 or the 2090? They are priced at 720 euro and 770 euro respectively in Germany.

Sam
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The 2090 has a 12 bit lookup table vs a 10 bit in the 2180. The 90 Series also has Colorcomp. The only advantage of the 2180 is that it uses the NEC made panel which is the highest grade panel on the market currently.
 
Hi

My apologies if I confused any one - I was talking about the 2180 from a UK perspective. The Spectraview software I got with the 2180 monitor was definitely a re-badged Coloreyes, identical in every way. If NEC have written their own software for the 2190 then this is a positive step, and you should try this first.

Brian
 
Brian,

You are totally right I was just trying to explain the difference from the UK to the States. For some reason Europe outsources their Spectraview to a third party as you have explained. The confusing part is that here in the states NEC actually writes their own software for the monitors.

Sorry about that I wasnt trying to call you out or anything jsut clarifying.
 
Which would you get personally if you had to choose?

The highest grade panel sounds pretty nice. :)

Sam
Trav Bomb said:
The 2090 has a 12 bit lookup table vs a 10 bit in the 2180. The 90
Series also has Colorcomp. The only advantage of the 2180 is that
it uses the NEC made panel which is the highest grade panel on the
market currently.
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Trav Bomb said:
The Eyeone is what NEC packages with its Spectraview Software.
The problem you may be having with using the new specrtaview with
your 1880SX and the Eyeone is that the current software was written
specifically for the 90 series 12 bit LUT.

From what I understand the only way to access the Internal LUT is
wiht the Spectraview software.
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Ok. This is why it's important that this software works for me. Do you

have any information on ordering that software or hardware+software package ? I don't see it on the NEC site.
Trav Bomb said:
The 2090/2190 will blow the 1880SX out of the water. There have
been tons of improvements since that monitor came out some years
ago.
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Yes, I'm looking forward to one of those, thanks to your help.

I'm about to order the 2090, but I'm still waiting a couple of days to think about the 2190. You know, the usual spend the extra $300 now or save it for the next LCD.
Trav Bomb said:
Are you in North America or Europe Sting???
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Hello TravBomb, I am in California, USA.
 
wacomme said:
Sting,
From where are you looking to buy the 2090 (or 2190)?
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Michael,

I will likely order from BH Photo, even though they don't stock it.

Their price is competitive, and their shipping and return record is perfect with me. Another fellow recommended Page Computers with their excellent prices. But I have never ordered from them, and they will charge me shipping as well as CA State tax.

2090Uxi 20.1" 1600x1200 $1349.99
BH: $1,099.95
pcconnection: $1,273.32
PageComputers.com: $952/1041(bk)
BHPhotoVideo: 1099 (black), 1049 (white)

Also, I'm interested in the Hoodman accessory (BH Photo) and possibly the Spectraview software.

Keep me updated with your decision and purchase,

Gints
 
Trav Bomb said:
The 2090 has a 12 bit lookup table vs a 10 bit in the 2180. The 90
Series also has Colorcomp. The only advantage of the 2180 is that
it uses the NEC made panel which is the highest grade panel on the
market currently.
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Does the 2180 use the same panel as the 2190 ? Also, do you know of a source that compares the 2090 and 2190 directly ? Just how much better is the 2190 panel ?
 
So like... Do you actually need Spectraview? Easy to check.

I would say if EyeOne reports it's in DDC mode then it IS in the DDC mode. It's easy to check. Calibrate to a target that's far from what you normally use (like, if you use 6500K/2.2 then choose 5000K/1.8 or the other way around) and let the software do it's thing without touching any monitor buttons. Then look at the curves Match3 shows in the end (those are videocard LUTs corections obviously). If they are linear - DDC works. You don't need Spectraview then.

But generally you want to avoid LUT adjustments if you have a monitor like that. If it means buying Spectraview or Basiccolor or Coloreyes - do it.

Obviously I don't think calibrating to Native is something you want to be concerned about. You buy a monitor like this to be able to losslessly calibrate to anything other than Native.

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Serge Cashman
 
My rather uneducated guess would be that it will not work via DDC. You'd need to buy additional software for your colorimeter. Monaco will do a regular videocard LUTs - based calibration. Which is OK but it's not lossless.
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Serge Cashman
 
I just thought it would help this discussion if we clearly distinguish between those different LUTs.

Adjusting videocard LUTs is a lossy procedure for LCDs. You normally want to minimize this.

Adjusting internal monitor LUTs is a good thing if those LUTs are 10 or more bits. Adjusting 8 or less bit internal monitor LUTs is also a lossy procedure (not relevant for the monitors in question though).

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Serge Cashman
 
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