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Today - Nikon is teasing, Sony is producing and Panasonic has a raft of new models ....

What is Canon doing? zzzzz .... zzzzz

Can we expect a Pro2 announcement "real soon" now?

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Today - Nikon is teasing, Sony is producing and Panasonic has a
raft of new models ....

What is Canon doing? zzzzz .... zzzzz

Can we expect a Pro2 announcement "real soon" now?

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Tom Caldwell
Hehe...You are wrong there. They are busy designing another bunch of 'A' & ixus series, & futher confusing consumers while keeping them away from real cameras.
 
oh yes?

do you have any statistic that indicates that canon is loosing marketshare?

Do you mean that to keep a continuous launch of new models assures better ones that already are into the market?

your thoughts?

regards

pd. think about that photography is 30% camera and 70 % photographer...
Today - Nikon is teasing, Sony is producing and Panasonic has a
raft of new models ....

What is Canon doing? zzzzz .... zzzzz

Can we expect a Pro2 announcement "real soon" now?

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Tom Caldwell
Hehe...You are wrong there. They are busy designing another bunch
of 'A' & ixus series, & futher confusing consumers while keeping
them away from real cameras.
 
Today - Nikon is teasing, Sony is producing and Panasonic has a
raft of new models ....

What is Canon doing? zzzzz .... zzzzz
Zzzz--taking a well-deserved nap on their big bed stuffed with cash! Going by Amazon's top selling list, Canon is in pretty good shape.
Can we expect a Pro2 announcement "real soon" now?
That would be interesting. I wonder what sensor it would use. I assume the Pro1 used a Sony sensor. Maybe they'll do something to go against the Sony DSC-R1, and they'd probably use their own sensor in that case. I'd love something like the R1 but with OIS and a good video feature. They've thoroughly refreshed their tiny-sensor-camera line-up with the possible exception of a smaller zoom camera to compete with Panasonic's TZ1.

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The Pro1 taught Canon a lesson. If even a flagship camera has significant flaws then the reviews will be critical and then the camera gets a bad name and doesn't sell. No company wants that to happen. So I think they prefer to wait a bit and get things right before releasing new models. For example, the S3 is many things but it has survived the criticism when introduced. That is pretty impressive in the market.

The other thing that they learned is to give the masses what they want. 6 Mp, 4X zoom, small, 2 1/2" LCD. Not enough enthusiasts wanting a state of the art, expensive prosumer.

The only hope we have of getting a Pro2 or equivalent is when Canon decides to release a show piece. The market is ready for such a camera and if it is the right one it will really put the knife into the other companies. We are seeing the other companies release cameras with fantastic specifications but they do not live up to them. Canon knows bad reviews impact on their reputation and I think they prefer to release winners and tested cameras instead of the most amazing ones.
 
Agree completely, see my post on "canon disdain" thread, which is eerily similar to this thread. Folks, we need to move on, because wishing aint gonna make it so.
 
Gentlemen, looks to me like this debate is totaly fruitless.

Never mind that outfits like Panasonic or Sony will NEVER be a true self sustained camera producers to rival Canon. Just look where they buy their exotic lenses. Schneider is an old and surely one of the best but they only will let them buy their name, not real cream of the crop.

And Germany is a hell of a lot more expensive than Japan when it comes to really good glass.

When most of your parents were going to see a movie in a drive-in as a teenagers, Panavision was the camera that made them.
And that manufacturer of course was a CANON!

So rest assure that the Microsoft of the camera world is not sleeping and if it takes a little nap it is well deserved.

Their resources can't be matched even by Nikon, much less by someone like Sony who can even make a receiver/tuner with acceptable THD.

Minolta, Mamyia Secor, Yashica who? And these were at one time candidates to rival Canon!

Have a nice day and sun in your back for a better picture!!
 
Gentlemen, looks to me like this debate is totaly fruitless.
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Minolta, Mamyia Secor, Yashica who? And these were at one time
candidates to rival Canon!
the Betamax syndrome ? although technically much better than VHS the masses wanted to choose it over Betamax pushed by some huge advertising industry .. it left Betamax on the scrap heap .. sales figures do not necessarily relate to gear quality .. (.. and my very first SLR was a Yashica ..)

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oh yes?

do you have any statistic that indicates that canon is loosing
marketshare?
I'm not concerned about marketshare or profits Canon have, but only about their lineup. I know they want to push us into dslr territory, which I don't want to go into so my wish is related to newer models in G/Pro/S series.
Do you mean that to keep a continuous launch of new models assures
better ones that already are into the market?
Of course Not, but again, what I want to see are some guenuine diffrences where model line ups are concerned. I was using A60 for more than 3 yrs & now bought Fuji E550 refurb, just for the matter of price worth features. I was heading towards G series but didn't see that coming.
your thoughts?
I also have good belief in Canon or let's say faith in them so I am more eager to see some distinguished models from them, not just 'me too' ones. Talk about compacts now, Fuji have better noise control, Minolta/Panasonics follow image stabiization. What individual feature Canon share on their cameras, I wonder?
Same here.
pd. think about that photography is 30% camera and 70 %
photographer...

I have read & heard this zillion times, if so Canon would stop producing cameras after they build a full functional digital camera. Why worry about newer concepts & features?
Today - Nikon is teasing, Sony is producing and Panasonic has a
raft of new models ....

What is Canon doing? zzzzz .... zzzzz

Can we expect a Pro2 announcement "real soon" now?

--
Tom Caldwell
Hehe...You are wrong there. They are busy designing another bunch
of 'A' & ixus series, & futher confusing consumers while keeping
them away from real cameras.
 
That my point - they are sleeping - doing nothing and selling squillions of cameras - pretty smart I thought.

I guess the Canon customers are pretty happy with what they produce.

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People here are talking about Canon sleeping but what more do you want that your camera hasn't got now? Surely if Canon and other manufacturers didn't upgrade their models so often then the prices would drop because the costs of R&D of new model must be pretty high. You can by a Canon film SLR with lens in the UK for about 1/3 the price of the 350D mainly because they have been in production a lot longer and R&D costs have been recuperated.

For the majority of photographers the average dslr does much more than they will ever likely to need or want. I personally know several people who bought dslr only to find that the results were far from perfect because the cameras were far to advanced for them. They have since sold or exchanged then for simpler P&S and now are happy with the results.

I have recently bought a Canon S3 IS because of the built in image IS. My dslr shot were starting to show signs of camera shake. So as far as I am concerned the only thing I really want is to have IS built into Canon dslr's body and not to have to buy the IS lenses.
 
I want something like the A700 but...

I would like:
  • 6x zoom or more
  • high (quality) megapixels - 8 or 10 in today's markert.
  • AA batteries. Not the $40 die-quickly proprietary stuff; something I can buy anywhere in a pinch, and CHEAP external chargers.
  • neck-strap lugs, not just a wrist strap; although I like that it's poacketable.
  • IS? Almost all the shots I want to take in museums, etc. ("no flash, please") turn out to be 1/15 to 1/5. Something to extend EV would help.
-SHutter release cable or remote; something to allow no-shake hands-off pictures (I.e. when using desktop tripod) when the IS isn't enough.
  • CF or SD; nothing too proprietary
  • hotshoe? My old 35mm had that.
None of these features (except maybe IS) are showstoppingly (?) difficult to put on a P&S pocketable. They just don't.
 
Oh, yeah.
Since we're in "wish" mode, 28mm wide angle setting. Can we go for 24mm?
I want something like the A700 but...

I would like:
  • 6x zoom or more
  • high (quality) megapixels - 8 or 10 in today's markert.
  • AA batteries. Not the $40 die-quickly proprietary stuff;
something I can buy anywhere in a pinch, and CHEAP external
chargers.
  • neck-strap lugs, not just a wrist strap; although I like that
it's poacketable.
  • IS? Almost all the shots I want to take in museums, etc. ("no
flash, please") turn out to be 1/15 to 1/5. Something to extend EV
would help.
-SHutter release cable or remote; something to allow no-shake
hands-off pictures (I.e. when using desktop tripod) when the IS
isn't enough.
  • CF or SD; nothing too proprietary
  • hotshoe? My old 35mm had that.
None of these features (except maybe IS) are showstoppingly (?)
difficult to put on a P&S pocketable. They just don't.
 

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