New Nikon = New Canon

Ahh poor ol Nikon keep fighting to keep up. If this new Nikon comes out in 20 days then Canon will surely do their usual trick of releasing their own better version about 3 weeks after that. They seem to allow Nikon a few weeks of glory before dashing their dreams with a new model that wipes the floor with them and still comes to market quicker.

So expect a 11mp + cheaper Canon soon

Go away.

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Which insight that you have and we don't makes you come to the conclusion that Canon's only interest would be to look at Nikon and adjust their release schedule and technical development to theirs?

Developing a new camera and bringing it to market costs months if not years. This is not done in three weeks.

I won't go into the discussion if Canon or Nikon makes superior cameras. What is superior anyway? Both Nikon and Canon have a fair share of the market and likely they both make a profitable business out of it and both have happy customars.

Exactly the same post you did can be posted by replacing Nikon by Canon and it would make the same sense (none if you ask me).

One thing we can be sure of..if there would be no competition new and improved technology would arrive at a slower pace and prices would be much higher.

Lennaert

You mean like they did with the 30D after the D200? Yeah, that was an AWESOME answer...

IMO, as a fairly new and not very brand biased Canon 5D-user, I think Canon should start looking at the competition a bit further beyond high ISO-performance. Tried a friends D200 last weekend and was impressed by all the, for me, useful features like for instance the possibility to get blinking highlight for the separate RGB-channels to show channel clipping.

Love the performance of my 5D and I don't mind if Canon keeps the 5D house, but as a software engineer and GUI-designer myself, I think they could do so much more with the current platform by just adding features to the cameras software that makes sense for digital photograpers and give more control to the photographer. Auto-rotation ala the 30D and programmable auto-ISO ala D200 would be a start. You shouldn't have to buy a new camera just to get software updates. On a whole I still think modern DSLRs are crippled by thinking based on/inherited from traditional SLR technology.

cheers.

daniel.

Don't see it happening - what are they going to replace? This is (probably) a D70 successor, the 30D is too new to be replaced, the 5D is too new (probably) and targetted at a different market anyway, and the 350D isn't going to suddenly outperform it's bigger sibling.

Going to be interesting seeing just what they have come up with.

Not that they stayed at 8MP - good call, Canon - or that they did not put in loads of expensive things to make it a mini-1 series, but that they didn't bother doing a number of things that they could have done at minimal cost.
The areas you mention would be a good start.

Sometimes Canon seem so project oriented - let's build the camera wiht the finest high ISO perfomance or whatever - and then they seem to pay minimal attention to other areas.

reflux said:

You mean like they did with the 30D after the D200? Yeah, that
was an AWESOME answer...

IMO, as a fairly new and not very brand biased Canon 5D-user, I
think Canon should start looking at the competition a bit further
beyond high ISO-performance. Tried a friends D200 last weekend and
was impressed by all the, for me, useful features like for instance
the possibility to get blinking highlight for the separate
RGB-channels to show channel clipping.

Love the performance of my 5D and I don't mind if Canon keeps the
5D house, but as a software engineer and GUI-designer myself, I
think they could do so much more with the current platform by just
adding features to the cameras software that makes sense for
digital photograpers and give more control to the photographer.
Auto-rotation ala the 30D and programmable auto-ISO ala D200 would
be a start. You shouldn't have to buy a new camera just to get
software updates. On a whole I still think modern DSLRs are
crippled by thinking based on/inherited from traditional SLR
technology.

cheers.

daniel.

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Hardnose said:

Ahh poor ol Nikon keep fighting to keep up. If this new Nikon comes
out in 20 days then Canon will surely do their usual trick of
releasing their own better version about 3 weeks after that. They
seem to allow Nikon a few weeks of glory before dashing their
dreams with a new model that wipes the floor with them and still
comes to market quicker.

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So, the 30D "wipes the floor" with the D200? Interesting thought...
The 30D wasn't even "a new model". It was a very slightly enhanced 20D...
Kinda like going from the D70 to D70s, or the D2H/X to D2H/Xs

Go troll somewhere else !

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What Nikon has proven is that for certain uses, less=more. I'm speaking about megapixels now. If canon goes 11MP without preserving detail with low noise at high ISO, I'll scream.

I like my cameras. I love the ability to use them at ISO3200 without sweating.

I'm not interested in giving that back for a marginal at best resolution increase.
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Just my opinion, Canon will come out with a killer product, not to kill Nikon's newcomer, but as a reaction to the D200. Say what you will, the marketing people at Canon will be demanding a 10+ MP response to the D200, the engineers will comply. Marketing has a very strong say in product development.
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aren't u lot sensitive and disturbingly agressive too.

It's my opinion that Nikon have great design ergonomics, very good low light focus, amazingly sharp high contrast lenses and good flash but Canon have other qualities with digital that made me switch from years on film with Nikon.

IMO....Canon's telephotos have the fastest most accurate AF, best colour accuracy and the nice low noise of their cmos sensor results in better images, Canon's D series ergonomics, build quality and ui are also great too.

I was just making the point, I may be wrong, but I seem to remember Canon's marketing technique usually followed the path of releasing quite a dazzling and ,IMO, a superior competitor to any nikon product a matter of weeks after Nikon getting it's campaign going....so that would be 20 days + 21 extra days from now or early Sept.

Canon will have of course built this new model well in advance as both, IMO, must have industry spies and know what the other is doing to a degree. Basically Canon never do anything major unless there's a threat of being bettered by a competitor. Lately they have been releasing minor tweaks slowly and under no pressure from the market. I hope Nikon stir things up and we get a wave of technological evolution, I'm just willing to bet Canon have an ace up their sleeve too and this will force them to release it to remain competitive.

I am not blindly anti Nikon or pro Canon, I now just use Canon as do 95% of my pro friends, I like them, and IMO they are better.

To all those that almost had a seizure reading my original post, try valium or go stroke a dolphin, and learn to tolerate another point of view, afterall I take the cr@p you lot write in my stride.

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Hardnose said:

aren't u lot sensitive and disturbingly agressive too.

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Possibly when a non-productive post makes silly statements.

Hardnose said:

It's my opinion that Nikon have great design ergonomics, very good
low light focus, amazingly sharp high contrast lenses and good
flash but Canon have other qualities with digital that made me
switch from years on film with Nikon.

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Glad you switched and gave up all those amazing and useful qualities.

Hardnose said:

IMO....Canon's telephotos have the fastest most accurate AF, best
colour accuracy and the nice low noise of their cmos sensor results
in better images,

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Canon telephotos such as the 300mm F2.8 are very fast - as are the newer lenses from Nikon such as the 200mm F2 and 300mm F2.8.

Colour accuracy on Canon?? Remember the 1D-II problems when Canon could NOT reproduce Ferrari red in the races. Many pros switched to Nikon or picked up the 1Ds to fix "accurate" canon colour. Also check out the redish skin tones on things like the 5D (for many Caucasian skin types).

Yes Canon has lower noise. This can be valuable for many (but by no means all) shooting conditions.

Hardnose said:

Canon's D series ergonomics, build quality and ui are also great too.

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Hummm, although the build quality is very good, the operational ergonomics and UI are marginal at best - even when compared to cameras like the 5D and 30D. Too bad the 1D-series borrowed the bad aspects of the 1-series film system.

Hardnose said:

I was just making the point, I may be wrong, but I seem to remember
Canon's marketing technique usually followed the path of releasing
quite a dazzling and ,IMO, a superior competitor to any nikon
product a matter of weeks after Nikon getting it's campaign
going....so that would be 20 days + 21 extra days from now or early
Sept.

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In some cases, that is accidentally true - and in other cases, it took a long while before Canon to come out with a new product.

Hardnose said:

... Basically Canon never do anything major unless
there's a threat of being bettered by a competitor. Lately they
have been releasing minor tweaks slowly and under no pressure from
the market.

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This has always been Canon's style - look at the D30, D60, 10D, 20D, 30D progression. I doubt that they respond to threats - their development cycle for a given model is probably on the order of at least a couple of years so it is difficult to respond to a thread of "being bettered by a competitor".

Hardnose said:

I am not blindly anti Nikon or pro Canon, I now just use Canon as
do 95% of my pro friends, I like them, and IMO they are better.

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Hummm, I was recently photographing the Spruce Meadows North American show jumping - Nikon and Canon pros were about evenly split. The best shooters there were Nikon. In recent ISU world cup speed skating events and the Calgary Olympic Oval, the ratio of Canon to Nikon was (a couple of years ago) about 5 to 1. In recent events the ratio is about 2 to 1. Seems to me that "there's a threat of being bettered by a competitor" - to use your term in the context that you seem to like.

Canon's monopoly on sports shooting seems to loosing ground as is the newspaper work being done locally with many more photographers choosing Nikon than in the recent past. Most of this is because of the D2hs and D2x with the 200mm F2 and 300mm F2.8.

Hardnose said:

To all those that almost had a seizure reading my original post,
try valium or go stroke a dolphin, and learn to tolerate another
point of view, afterall I take the cr@p you lot write in my stride.

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Yours was not a "point of view" - it lacked vision. It was little more than a biased rant.
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Oh no! Nikon is releasing a new camera! Will this be the end of Canon? Canon needs to do something NOW! :-D

Yes boys & girls, it time once again for all the arm-chair camera designers and marketers to come out of the woodwork and start "telling" and "demanding" what Canon "has to" and "should do" NOW!

Yep - Canon will go into their secrete warehouse where they store all of their 22nd century technology (technology that they won't let us "have" until Nikon announces something new). They will wait to see what Nikon does, then browse through their inventory and pick something that beats the competition, but falls just short of what "we" really want, like pop-up flash, movie mode and a 1 series that fits into a shirt pocket.

Let the demands begin!

Hardnose said:

Ahh poor ol Nikon keep fighting to keep up. If this new Nikon comes
out in 20 days then Canon will surely do their usual trick of
releasing their own better version about 3 weeks after that. They
seem to allow Nikon a few weeks of glory before dashing their
dreams with a new model that wipes the floor with them and still
comes to market quicker.

So expect a 11mp + cheaper Canon soon

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Hardnose said:

So expect a 11mp + cheaper Canon soon

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If Canon repalces the XT it'll be one with same sensor and pixels, but only bigger LCD and very little bigger buffer - that's all!

Canon knows its image quality is still better than Nikon's 10MP sensors so they don't have to do anything to what they have.

aaront said:

Just my opinion, Canon will come out with a killer product, not to
kill Nikon's newcomer, but as a reaction to the D200. Say what you
will, the marketing people at Canon will be demanding a 10+ MP
response to the D200, the engineers will comply. Marketing has a
very strong say in product development.

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IF they DO come out with a 10+ whatever, it will be because that's what was in their long term planning - NOT as a reaction to what Nikon has JUST announced!

Yes, market & research have a say, photographers have a say - the engineers have a say (...in terms of what they can do, when they can do it.) Then someone has to figure out how to produce it, if it can be produced at a cost that people will pay and about a million other things. They don't go into the office every morning, read Dpreview, see that Nikon has announced a new camera and say; "WE HAVE TO MAKE SOMETHING BETTER THAN THAT!"

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Hardnose said:

Ahh poor ol Nikon keep fighting to keep up. If this new Nikon comes
out in 20 days then Canon will surely do their usual trick of
releasing their own better version about 3 weeks after that. They
seem to allow Nikon a few weeks of glory before dashing their
dreams with a new model that wipes the floor with them and still
comes to market quicker.

So expect a 11mp + cheaper Canon soon

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(.......going back to the DPR home page and looking for the sign that must have said "idiots wanted: sign up for forum access here".............)

RobE said:

Those of us invested in the Canon EF system should be cheering for
Nikon, Olympus, Sony or anyone else in the marketplace that will
push Canon to innovate, price competitively and bring new products
to market.

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Absolutely right. Assuming that the "new Nikon" is a major product release and not just a minor update, then it really is good news for DSLR buyers. The major issue with Nikon in recent years has been its relatively slow pace of major product enhancements. They have some very talented design engineers and have produced some very nice products. But the Tortoise ultimately loses the race unless the Hare naps. This announcement along with the other recent ones suggest that Nikon is picking up the pace. I think we all benefit enormously from having the talented people at Nikon continuously challenging Canon (and Sony, Olympus, et al). If Nikon pushes Canon for better innovation, quality, and price, then I win as a customer. If Nikon leapfrogs Canon by so much that I feel the need to switch DSLR brands, so much the better. I still win as a customer. Customers rule!

Hardnose said:

Basically Canon never do anything major unless
there's a threat of being bettered by a competitor.

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Right; that would explain the 5D and the 1DsII.... all that direct competition from the other FF sensor bodies in the marketplace.